tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post1076305844883761085..comments2023-10-17T04:51:08.765-10:00Comments on KauaiEclectic: Musings: Never Too LateJoan Conrowhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00172330100788007499noreply@blogger.comBlogger32125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-50161991495604226912008-10-25T13:53:00.000-10:002008-10-25T13:53:00.000-10:001) i believe the crown lands case is going before ...1) i believe the crown lands case is going before the supreme court. that ruling will speak volumes (personally i hope they find a way to rule in favor of ethnic hawaiians)<BR/><BR/>2) while no court is going to care much what ~ "second or third generation naturalized hawaiians" did as to an "overthrow," the orders to send troops ashore do seem to have been improper and, arguably, the effect was foreseeable (in other words "but for" those troops the revolution would not have occurred). this could be a basis for liability (which in turn could be attacked by a statute of limitations defense, among others)<BR/><BR/>3) the understanding of US and/or international law on the part of sovereignty folks is, i am sorry to say, painfully awful (fyi - unless congress and the president sign off on a "treaty/law"...whether a child of the UN or some court in holland, it means little)<BR/><BR/>4) and where are the bishop trust monies? i mean if there were ever a period to better educate and arm a group of people with the tools to improve their station in life it is these days...an underutilized and ill-managed resource if you ask me<BR/><BR/>5) if anybody cares to get a better sense for what was going on in the world in the 1800's, look up william walker - it will help put 1800's hawaii in better context (in short - he was a jerk that tried to take over central america)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-59275840556990238152008-10-24T08:22:00.000-10:002008-10-24T08:22:00.000-10:00It's been said that the more things change, the mo...It's been said that the more things change, the more they stay the same.<BR/><BR/>This country is like a huge oil tanker which takes hours to come to a stop and takes over 20 miles to do a U-turn.<BR/><BR/>The fundimental momentum of the USA is such that many changes are just not possible...disruptive of the "DNA" of the country...free market capitalism with just enough governemtal oversight to keep the wheels from coming off.<BR/><BR/>No enforced economic equality here...we are a meritocracy.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-27382571454160617342008-10-23T22:05:00.000-10:002008-10-23T22:05:00.000-10:00good luck trying to change a system whose very soc...good luck trying to change a system whose very social, cultural and political DNA, as it were, is based on free market capitalism with as little governmental oversight as is necessary to keep the wheels on.<BR/><BR/>Equality, if defined as the lower classes having the same benefits of life as the upper classes, just isn't part of our national DNA. No classlessness for us.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-28043155093026102012008-10-23T15:56:00.000-10:002008-10-23T15:56:00.000-10:00> You think the "great black hope" wh...<I>> You think the "great black hope" who may win the election will really change things that much? <</I><BR/><BR/>That's not how it works.<BR/><BR/>The people who leaders inspire to think beyond the mundane change things. The children who aspire to follow a leader's path change things.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-28753078009084041282008-10-23T08:02:00.000-10:002008-10-23T08:02:00.000-10:00You think the "great black hope" who may win the e...You think the "great black hope" who may win the election will really change things that much?<BR/><BR/>Dream on.<BR/><BR/>Live as usual in America (incl Hawaii). We tack back and forth from lib to con like a sailboat, but we always move in the same general direction.<BR/><BR/>The pendulum swings back and forth, but nothing really changes that much over decades.<BR/><BR/>I'm still with the Old White Guy Imperialists.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-50603519994703472052008-10-22T23:49:00.000-10:002008-10-22T23:49:00.000-10:00> That's why the "Old White Guy Imperi...<I>> That's why the "Old White Guy Imperialist" faction ahas ruled the world for so many centuries.<BR/><BR/>It's unlikely to change, so I'm proud to be an Old White Guy Imperialist.<BR/><BR/>Nothing will change in my pristine world. Barring ill health, I'm insolated from everything and loving it! <</I><BR/><BR/><BR/>"...We're now seeing the same pathology at work in the McCain-Palin campaign. McCain and Palin look at America and see what they wish was there, rather than what's actually there: an America in which they'll be greeted as liberators and rightful heirs to the mantle of leadership. America, after all, has been led by white Anglo-Saxons for the last two-plus centuries and, for the last 40 years, mostly by Republicans. For that to change is almost unthinkable. And so Team McCain just edits out the inconvenient America that doesn't seem likely to vote GOP. That America's not real. It just can't be.<BR/><BR/>I'm not entirely without sympathy. Behind the anger and the us-versus-them rhetoric we've seen at recent McCain-Palin rallies, there's a palpable sense of dislocation and anxiety: the anxiety of those who feel that things are slipping away from them, that the world is changing too quickly and too uncomfortably. Change has come fast -- and change hurts."<BR/>-- Rosa Parks<BR/>Los Angeles Times<BR/>October 23, 2008<BR/><BR/>full text at http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/commentary/la-oe-brooks23-2008oct23,0,3219478.columnAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-71637856104788986922008-10-22T09:05:00.000-10:002008-10-22T09:05:00.000-10:00Well, prior to the American Revolution, we had to ...Well, prior to the American Revolution, we had to clean house.<BR/><BR/>Out with the old, in with the new!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-12780262778168514962008-10-22T08:18:00.000-10:002008-10-22T08:18:00.000-10:00That's why the "Old White Guy Imperialist" faction...That's why the "Old White Guy Imperialist" faction ahas ruled the world for so many centuries. <BR/><BR/>It's unlikely to change, so I'm proud to be an Old White Guy Imperialist.<BR/><BR/>Nothing will change in my pristine world. Barring ill health, I'm insolated from everything and loving it!<BR/><BR/>Go Imperialists!!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-22629582029462335812008-10-22T07:35:00.000-10:002008-10-22T07:35:00.000-10:00"Just like your American Revolution which was assi..."Just like your American Revolution which was assisted by the French. "<BR/><BR/><BR/>The "American Revolution" coincided with and was predicated on the genocide of Native peoples by the European settlers - or "naturalized citizens" as you might call them.Katyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09145011324294730195noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-88441676174267397872008-10-22T06:18:00.000-10:002008-10-22T06:18:00.000-10:00I love you Joan and your heart for our people! We ...I love you Joan and your heart for our people! We are moving towards victory in every way. Kaiulanikaiulanihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09620704637052476662noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-83387476175790659152008-10-21T23:07:00.000-10:002008-10-21T23:07:00.000-10:00The monarchy was not "overthrown" illegally or oth...The monarchy was not "overthrown" illegally or otherwise. The 1893 event was a revolution by naturalized citizens of the Kingdom of Hawaii. Just like your American Revolution which was assisted by the French. That is the fact. To call it an illegal overthrown is the only way historical revisionists can attempt to get sympathy from the naïve and ill informed.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-47378307329380525282008-10-21T22:54:00.000-10:002008-10-21T22:54:00.000-10:00> Less kind would be to call it "revisioni...<I>> Less kind would be to call it "revisionist history" which, of course, happens continuously and is determined by what is currently politically popular. <</I><BR/><BR/>Less kind to whom? The conquering race who wrote their self-serving history and have long taught it in the schools? <BR/><BR/>The history of American exploitation of its indigenous people has just begun to emerge from the dark ages of its own nostalgia. The revision of noble Natives and happy Hawaiians has nothing to do with political correctness, and everything to do with the pursuit of historical accuracy.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-71759670489864954152008-10-21T22:31:00.000-10:002008-10-21T22:31:00.000-10:00It's not "opinion attached to facts as we pitifull...It's not "opinion attached to facts as we pitifully know them" that the Hawaiian monarchy was illegally overthrown, it is fact. Revisionist history is trying to present as otherwise.Joan Conrowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00172330100788007499noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-86295946632377005102008-10-21T21:48:00.000-10:002008-10-21T21:48:00.000-10:00No matter how many times you repeat "The Hawaiian ...No matter how many times you repeat "The Hawaiian Injustice," no matter how many times you state it as fact like some state, it is still an opinion attached to facts as we pitifully know them. Less kind would be to call it "revisionist history" which, of course, happens continuously and is determined by what is currently politically popular.<BR/><BR/>There is also nothing ignorant or racist about that simple statement; just a step towards critical thinking and away from emotional partisanship. You've taken sides, hooray for you; but, it's made you a propagandist. Those you refer to as ignorant can only be educated by information; not propaganda.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-63893164440462677852008-10-21T20:07:00.000-10:002008-10-21T20:07:00.000-10:00So much trouble in the world;So much trouble in th...So much trouble in the world;<BR/>So much trouble in the world.<BR/><BR/>Bless my eyes this morning;<BR/>Jah sun is on the rise once again.<BR/>The way earthly thin's are goin',<BR/>Anything can happen.<BR/><BR/>You see men sailing on their ego trip,<BR/>Blast off on their spaceship,<BR/>Million miles from reality:<BR/>No care for you, no care for me.<BR/><BR/>So much trouble in the world;<BR/>So much trouble in the world.<BR/>All you got to do: give a little <BR/>Give a little,give a little ,give a little!<BR/>One more time, ye-ah! give a little Ye-ah! give a little<BR/>Ye-ah! give a little Yeah!<BR/><BR/>So you think you've found the solution,<BR/>But it's just another illusion!<BR/>(So before you check out this tide),<BR/>Don't leave another cornerstone<BR/>Standing there behind, eh-eh-eh-eh!<BR/>We've got to face the day; Ooh-wee, come what may:<BR/>We the street people talkin',<BR/>Yeah, we the people strugglin'.<BR/><BR/>Now they sitting on a time bomb;<BR/>Now I know the time has come:<BR/>What goes on up is coming on down,<BR/>Goes around and comes around.<BR/>So much trouble in the world;<BR/>There is so much trouble<BR/>So much trouble in the world;Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-70043930260438775222008-10-21T15:45:00.000-10:002008-10-21T15:45:00.000-10:00"Those who keep a level head and use this opportun..."Those who keep a level head and use this opportunity to load up on stocks of good companies will be well rewarded in coming years."<BR/><BR/>As Mr T would say "Shut-up foo" Don't you know the ecological pie never gets any bigger no matter how many "years to come you have."<BR/><BR/>Ain't nobody going to have to be a slave all the time no more, we going to take turns -- and guess who's turn it is now?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-66222218345692563052008-10-21T15:34:00.000-10:002008-10-21T15:34:00.000-10:00> Those who keep a level head and use this oppo...<I>> Those who keep a level head and use this opportunity to load up on stocks of good companies will be well rewarded in coming years. <</I><BR/><BR/>The mantra of every Old White Guy Imperialist since the 17th century.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-7083415786825921892008-10-21T09:17:00.000-10:002008-10-21T09:17:00.000-10:00the buzzards are circling, sharks are in the bay a...<I>the buzzards are circling, sharks are in the bay and the predators at the fed reserve and SEC are lining up to feed you to the third world markets.</I><BR/><BR/>That's a socialist hippy wish if I ever heard one. Those who keep a level head and use this opportunity to load up on stocks of good companies will be well rewarded in coming years. Those who preach collapse and panic will in a couple of years after the economy has recovered from recession, be in pretty much the same condition they're in now, the same condition they've always been, and the same condition they'll always be as long as they keep on believing their end-times mythology.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-33615792438111975862008-10-21T08:42:00.000-10:002008-10-21T08:42:00.000-10:00I'm sitting pretty, protected, no stock investment...I'm sitting pretty, protected, no stock investments at all, no debt at all, all money in FDIC vehicles. Enough assets to last me forever even in a return to a full-on depression.<BR/><BR/>Better than you, I'll bet.<BR/><BR/>But keep on grousing...it is amusing.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-13401791272035478192008-10-21T08:23:00.000-10:002008-10-21T08:23:00.000-10:00the reincarnated gadfly; taking it easy to the ban...the reincarnated gadfly; taking it easy to the bank-oops closed. insufficient funds-no mo' credit for you. howz your portfolio these daze?<BR/>what's it feel like to take it up your assets and liabilities? hope you have better protection than a broken condominium cuz, cause you gonna need'em when your house of cards tumble like a twin tower in a september breeze. remember, what comes around goes around and payback is a bitching excuse to do some ethic cleansing starting with the few, the proud and the rich. watch yo'back gadfly, the buzzards are circling, sharks are in the bay and the predators at the fed reserve and SEC are lining up to feed you to the third world markets. protein is in short supply and in lean times, fat cats like you go first.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-36300052484006715042008-10-21T07:36:00.000-10:002008-10-21T07:36:00.000-10:00Yes, I'm on the winning side. Winning big. We wi...Yes, I'm on the winning side. Winning big. We winners take but don't give back. You can take from us if you can. It would make you winners. If you can't you remain losers.<BR/><BR/>The world is not fair. It is not "even". Justice is an illusion. The legal system is a method for conflict resolution rather than justice, where money an influence count.<BR/><BR/>The world is what it is. I didn't make it that way, but learned how it works and how to work it and have been richly rewarded.<BR/><BR/>Your mileage may vary.<BR/><BR/>Take it easy, but take it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-13591339057368784492008-10-20T22:52:00.000-10:002008-10-20T22:52:00.000-10:00And there are way more "terrorists" than "nunyas"....And there are way more "terrorists" than "nunyas". <BR/><BR/>The Urban dictionary defines "nunya" thusly:<BR/><BR/>1. nunyas <BR/>a)none of your business. <BR/>b)none of yours <BR/><BR/>Mikey: What's for dinner, woman?" <BR/><BR/>Sue: "Nunyas." <BR/><BR/>Mikey: "Say wha?" <BR/><BR/>Sue: Make your own food, lazy ass. What I'm eatin' ain' nunyas."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-46166246629617673582008-10-20T21:40:00.000-10:002008-10-20T21:40:00.000-10:00> We gave them their freedom, or at least a who...<I>> We gave them their freedom, or at least a whole lot more than they used to. We're not about to give their nth generation decendents money. <</I><BR/><BR/>Who, along with you, is "we?" The 18th-century colonial slave traders? Those 19th-century Americans who participated in government-sponsored genocide of the nation's natives? The 20th-century Americans who ripped the islands from beneath the feet of its people? The 21st-century Americans who Hail Palin and pray at the radio of Saint Rush, who today proclaimed Colin Powell's endorsement of Obama is purely a matter of race?<BR/><BR/>Or are you, in fact, all of those?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-62468595872444677652008-10-20T19:35:00.000-10:002008-10-20T19:35:00.000-10:00Could anyone describe the secnario of a suceeded H...Could anyone describe the secnario of a suceeded Hawaiian state.<BR/>Leave off the ideals, just describe how this takes place in real time.<BR/>What happens socially, politicaly, economically and physically to the one million people of this state?<BR/>Do we all return to our ethnic homelands?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-25115116707207208072008-10-20T19:23:00.000-10:002008-10-20T19:23:00.000-10:00Anonymous October 20, 2008 3:05 PM Has expressed t...Anonymous October 20, 2008 3:05 PM Has expressed the sentiments of one who has gained from the wrongs committed in the past. This is typically summed up by politicians as, "Let's put this behind us and move ahead." Sure my grandpa stole from your grandpa and invested well and now I'm living the good life while your family is living on the streets, but hey sorry about that. Please accept my sincere & symbolic apology and by the way if you come rob my house or steal my car you are a criminal and will be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. After all now we live in modern times now where it is just as illegal for the rich man to sleep on a park bench as for a homeless person to do so. All we want is justice, not justice us in jail!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com