tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post1182354783539824139..comments2023-10-17T04:51:08.765-10:00Comments on KauaiEclectic: Musings: Time and MoneyJoan Conrowhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00172330100788007499noreply@blogger.comBlogger16125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-58021282206257189322010-09-24T14:28:09.158-10:002010-09-24T14:28:09.158-10:00I thought it was the awareness that we are trapped...I thought it was the awareness that we are trapped in a prison of freedom that both distinguishes us from animals and causes the psychic discomfort Joan alludes to.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-41795130441580701592010-09-24T13:47:19.009-10:002010-09-24T13:47:19.009-10:00As the list grows maybe we're not of the "...As the list grows maybe we're not of the "natural world"!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-83221283734034255812010-09-24T12:40:49.379-10:002010-09-24T12:40:49.379-10:00"what’s separated us most from the natural wo...<i>"what’s separated us most from the natural world, from all the other creatures, is our dual obsession"<br /><br />Obsessions? I'd vote for death, gods and /or sacred stuff.</i><br /><br />How about language, maybe. Or mathematics.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-49710858537682772522010-09-24T12:16:45.585-10:002010-09-24T12:16:45.585-10:00"what’s separated us most from the natural wo..."what’s separated us most from the natural world, from all the other creatures, is our dual obsession"<br /><br />Obsessions? <br />I'd vote for death, gods and /or sacred stuff.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-33230178560766573772010-09-24T10:05:48.124-10:002010-09-24T10:05:48.124-10:00Life would actually be a lot more hectic without m...Life would actually be a lot more hectic without money. Money solves a whole bunch of problems that arise whenever we want to trade stuff with each other. <br /><br />It takes no imagination at all to see how naturally such problems arise. Trading my mangoes for my neighbor's greens is no problem as long as my neighbor wants my greens. But if not, and if my neighbor instead wants a chicken, then I need to find someone who will exchange a chicken for mangoes, then take the chicken to my neighbor and exchange it for my greens. <br /><br />It obviously makes way, way more sense for us all to simply adopt some stand-in measure of value and agree to accept it in exchange for things instead of spending so much time and energy engineering complex multi-party trades in order to get what we want.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-45265990000913020582010-09-24T07:43:20.453-10:002010-09-24T07:43:20.453-10:00what’s separated us most from the natural world, f...<i>what’s separated us most from the natural world, from all the other creatures, is our dual obsession with time and money, both human constructs that allow us to be controlled and regimented</i><br /><br />Time is no more of a human construct than is nature. If an animal doesn't eat in a certain amount of time, it will die. Animals' and plants' lives are actually quite controlled and regimented by the constraints of time as well as other natural phenomena. <br /><br />Breaking time into distinct increments such as hours and minutes is a human imposition, but so what. So is measuring water in litres or gallons. That doesn't make time, or water, any less real.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-69240194950175346952010-09-23T21:32:43.771-10:002010-09-23T21:32:43.771-10:00Drugs won't be legalized because too much mone...Drugs won't be legalized because too much money is at stake for the dealers, the cops, the prisons, etc.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-37607891729368829352010-09-23T17:46:10.016-10:002010-09-23T17:46:10.016-10:00There is a disconnect between most humans and the ...There is a disconnect between most humans and the natural world and it is evident in our youth especially. It has to do with our obsession with money and consumer goods. Its called the "rat race" for a reason.<br /><br />I for one am all for a simpler way of living. We've screwed up the environment so badly living a more subsistence lifestyle may prove difficult. The fisheries are in bad shape and our soils filled with chemicals.<br /><br />I hear you Joan. There were times in my life that I envied the simplicity of an animals life. Only downside are predators especially of the human species.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-89424967803463925832010-09-23T16:30:53.515-10:002010-09-23T16:30:53.515-10:00"Oh that's right, it's all about you...."Oh that's right, it's all about you."<br /><br />Joan said "<i><b>we humans</b></i> have it all compartmentalized into job, home, recreation, social life, grocery store that leave <i><b>us</b></i> feeling disjointed, harried, out of step with the flow of life," so she made it about "us" and "we" and I think that is pretty clearly not the case. Some, maybe most, of us <i>sometimes</i> feel those ways, but most of us probably don't feel those ways most of the time. And if we sometimes feel those ways, is it because the world needs fixing along the lines of Joan's essentially neo-romantic shibboleth?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-71346938998222125092010-09-23T15:20:07.853-10:002010-09-23T15:20:07.853-10:00So, are you and your friend eager to be the egret ...So, are you and your friend eager to be the egret or the chameleon in your uncompartmentalized "natural model"?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-28913542099750180992010-09-23T14:13:48.606-10:002010-09-23T14:13:48.606-10:00"Oh that's right, it's all about you...."Oh that's right, it's all about you."<br />If you can't take care of "me", you can't help them.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-5757981245854209142010-09-23T14:06:35.315-10:002010-09-23T14:06:35.315-10:00It's a "super harvest moon" tonight!...It's a "super harvest moon" tonight!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-76033785293848477472010-09-23T13:18:23.731-10:002010-09-23T13:18:23.731-10:00Maybe you're projecting your own responses ont...<em> Maybe you're projecting your own responses onto "us". I certainly don't feel disjointed, harried, or out of step with the flow of life.</em><br /><br />Oh that's right, it's all about you.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-91212216291837034402010-09-23T10:57:55.171-10:002010-09-23T10:57:55.171-10:00we humans have it all compartmentalized into job, ...<i> we humans have it all compartmentalized into job, home, recreation, social life, grocery store that leave us feeling disjointed, harried, out of step with the flow of life.</i><br /><br />Maybe you're projecting your own responses onto "us". I certainly don't feel disjointed, harried, or out of step with the flow of life. On the contrary, my work and social life and family life as well as my day to day routine tasks for the most part make me feel good and productive and invigorated and connected with people and the world around me. That's not to say every day is a good one or that problems never arise but I'm sure people had bad days back when the "search for food and shelter was their lifestyle." <br /><br />I understand that some people are more and some people less well adjusted in their relationship to the world and society, but I doubt those who resent feeling imposed upon by whatever aspects of human life they dislike would adjust any better if the search for food and shelter was their lifestyle or if our lives were somehow more in line with "natural modes." <br /><br />Maybe people who blame the exterior world for their resentments or maladjustment should look within. It might be that "fixing" the world would do little to change their relationship to it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-46226242501549718282010-09-23T08:28:52.599-10:002010-09-23T08:28:52.599-10:00Lady, I'll take the angst of sweating through ...Lady, I'll take the angst of sweating through trying to end a 3 o'clock meeting in time to make my 4 o'clock tee time over the angst of sweating over whether the drought will end so I can feed my family or whether we will have to migrate again, every single time.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-39249937737979494942010-09-23T08:27:04.644-10:002010-09-23T08:27:04.644-10:00War on obesity vs war on hunger. One groups eats t...War on obesity vs war on hunger. One groups eats too much the other not enough. These guys need to meet.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com