tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post1251593463946349996..comments2023-10-17T04:51:08.765-10:00Comments on KauaiEclectic: Musings: Higher GroundJoan Conrowhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00172330100788007499noreply@blogger.comBlogger22125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-54064277670311584652009-11-24T08:31:02.004-10:002009-11-24T08:31:02.004-10:00Wow...that dated me, the "board" thing r...Wow...that dated me, the "board" thing rather than "blog".<br /><br />Hearkens me back to the old BBS (bulletin board system) days a loooong time ago when that was state of the art.<br /><br />I was an evil bastard then, too.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-11958909199306771632009-11-24T08:28:29.809-10:002009-11-24T08:28:29.809-10:00OK...we've given them the kind of welcome 2 ne...OK...we've given them the kind of welcome 2 new suburban kids would get on their first day at a tough inner city grade school if they showed up in cute little "Jack & Jill" outfits.<br /><br />Maybe they'll come back. This board's like NYC...if you can make it here you can make it anywhere.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-57997838681485402872009-11-23T15:53:54.712-10:002009-11-23T15:53:54.712-10:00Astrology is to astronomy as cosmetology is to cos...Astrology is to astronomy as cosmetology is to cosmology.<br /><br />Uranus in the house of Venus equals a bad hair day.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-27309654856605751522009-11-23T10:54:58.542-10:002009-11-23T10:54:58.542-10:00"The astrological perspective is the same as ..."The astrological perspective is the same as science called astronomy"<br /><br />No.<br /><br />Not even a little bit.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-29342470645137651532009-11-23T07:51:11.351-10:002009-11-23T07:51:11.351-10:00Believe what you like of the stars as long as you ...Believe what you like of the stars as long as you don't use it as basis to make decisions that affect anyone outside your immediate family.<br /><br />Try dragging that heavenly baggage to a political or scientific forum and see how you are recieved.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-16242426942328734912009-11-22T19:16:16.408-10:002009-11-22T19:16:16.408-10:00By the way, ass-trologers...welcome to the blog.
...By the way, ass-trologers...welcome to the blog.<br /><br />Put on your helmet, elbow and knee pads since it could be a rough ride, especially given your WTF beliefs and mindset.<br /><br />But all are welcome here, evil bastards to sock puppets.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-82616478711770143192009-11-22T15:07:44.106-10:002009-11-22T15:07:44.106-10:00ass-trology.
The position of Uranus is aligned wi...ass-trology.<br /><br />The position of Uranus is aligned with a Black Hole.<br /><br />To think any of this is taken seriously in the 21st century.<br /><br />Takes all kinds, I guess.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-40821323079460351292009-11-22T13:46:13.855-10:002009-11-22T13:46:13.855-10:00Mokihana said: "The astrological perspective ...Mokihana said: "The astrological perspective is the same as science called astronomy."<br /><br />Not since the 17th century (the age of reason)!<br /><br />Since the 18th century they have come to be regarded as completely separate disciplines. Astronomy, the study of objects and phenomena beyond the Earth's atmosphere, is a science and is a widely studied academic discipline. <br /><br />Astrology, which uses the apparent positions of celestial objects as the basis for psychology, prediction of future events, and other esoteric knowledge, is not widely regarded as science and is typically defined as a form of divination.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-51341779715455118072009-11-22T10:34:04.657-10:002009-11-22T10:34:04.657-10:00Casey your comment did make sense. I was referring...Casey your comment did make sense. I was referring to the comment left by dwps. <br /><br />Anonymous: November 21, 2009 7:54 AMAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-52243005258599444422009-11-22T10:17:48.695-10:002009-11-22T10:17:48.695-10:00Aloha, Joan
Kalei Tshua is doing important and ed...Aloha, Joan<br /><br />Kalei Tshua is doing important and educational work as an enthoscientist and kahuna in the best definition of these words. I have added a video of Kalei speaking at the UH Hilo back in 08, to the blog. The thing that is very important to me here, on this thread, is the discourse that can/could add to the value of information.<br /><br />See a wingnut has its place from one perspective ... it holds down all that would screw. <br /><br />The astrological perspective is the same as science called astronomy. With the life my husband and I have today, the small and the big are important and learning about the debating/contesting on Kauai is relevant. We have left the islands forced out by choices made in the name of greed and solutions with short-vision and out of sync with Kaulana Mahina.<br /><br />Nameless commentary is manini stuff, bait for the bigger fish.<br /><br />MokihanaMokihana Calizarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12817711520196161127noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-73370616473133423282009-11-22T10:13:54.136-10:002009-11-22T10:13:54.136-10:00> dwps -- your comment makes no sense.
It was ...> dwps -- your comment makes no sense.<br /><br />It was admittedly poorly described. <br /><br />My point is that proper planning and investment in things like the bike path make communities stronger and more livable. Ignoring these investments does not stop development, it simply makes it more destructive to the community.<br /><br />I summarized this by pointing out the false dichotomy of "no development vs. Maui-style development". Assuming there will be some development, the more proper choice is "Maui-style vs. Aiea (or Pearl City or other strip-mall town)-style" development. With that choice, Maui doesn't seem so bad...Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04387735600809559417noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-60362082054493006202009-11-22T09:57:26.350-10:002009-11-22T09:57:26.350-10:00Dear Mokihana,
Thanks for your thoughtful comment ...Dear Mokihana,<br />Thanks for your thoughtful comment and perspective, and to you and Pete for reading. <br /><br />Yes, it's very important to be aware of the forces that ARE, whether humans currently attend to them or not!<br /><br />I appreciate the referral to Kalei Tshua.<br /><br />And thanks for linking to me from <a href="http://vardofortwo.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow">your blog.</a> I enjoyed checking out all your blogs.Joan Conrowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00172330100788007499noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-64667021812088712942009-11-22T07:53:25.175-10:002009-11-22T07:53:25.175-10:00We still do.
And the are wingnuts.
My astrologer...We still do.<br /><br />And the are wingnuts.<br /><br />My astrologer told me so.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-60071532218718386872009-11-22T03:58:03.368-10:002009-11-22T03:58:03.368-10:00"oh god....another wingnut."
I feel for...<i>"oh god....another wingnut."</i><br /><br />I feel for ya. It's terrifying when people express views other than your own. Worse when they express them civilly. <br /><br />Soused with adrenaline, the long-practiced reaction is anger. Physical assault being impossible in this situation, and illegal in any event, the next best thing is to mock, scorn, deride and belittle. It's the perfect pill: threat banished, ego restored, all is good. <br /><br />Who says we can't revisit those glory days of junior high, when everything was clear and simple? When we knew who the a-holes were -- and weren't.Dawsonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-33797123246179034842009-11-21T19:53:15.236-10:002009-11-21T19:53:15.236-10:00A name less Oh god I'm a wingnut
No need cal...A name less Oh god I'm a wingnut<br />No need call my wife hardware. <br />Dean Peter LittlePetehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00500508107046207877noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-91666715127488466132009-11-21T14:31:03.779-10:002009-11-21T14:31:03.779-10:00oh god....another wingnut.oh god....another wingnut.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-66949716239920338912009-11-21T09:02:23.753-10:002009-11-21T09:02:23.753-10:00Good post. My husband has been a long time regula...Good post. My husband has been a long time regular follower of your musings and finally I have linked you to our blog place.<br /><br />The issue of how to bring opposing opinions together to create some common ground is a goal worth holding dear. Though the reason I site (to follow) might seem out in left field, from the old view of life in the commons it is really getting in sync with the cosmic plan. The reason: the planets, in particular PLUTO and SATURN are squaring off in the sky. A very lay translation is 'big things such as realigning human-made systems to be more practical AND pono are demanded.' Attending to the ways in which kanaka (all humans) inter-relate to 'aina (all that sustains) is the order of these days. Pluto will be in the sign of CAPRICORN (the goat the steady and sure-footed) for the next 12 yrs.<br /><br />I notice how often your musings include your eyes on the sky. I enjoy that constancy about your word pictures. The thing about including the sky and astrology into the mix is more than airy-fairy; it is a respect for the forces that ARE where humans attend to them or not. Like you concluded, high water rising is all about HINA taking back what we have not (yet) seen as important.<br /><br />Maybe someone like Kalei Tsuha (whose kuleana is the sky & Hina in particular ... from Maui) could offer insight.<br /><br />MokihanaMokihana Calizarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12817711520196161127noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-19215729662722437362009-11-21T07:54:31.502-10:002009-11-21T07:54:31.502-10:00dwps -- your comment makes no sense.dwps -- your comment makes no sense.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-71719280173907955642009-11-20T12:44:25.658-10:002009-11-20T12:44:25.658-10:00Nice post. Sounds like a helpful meeting.
I ofte...Nice post. Sounds like a helpful meeting.<br /><br />I often hear people use Maui as a cautionary tale for Kauai. I think ignoring things like paths and parks will produce something much worse than Maui. Maybe our choices today decide between two futures: denser communities like Maui or sprawling shopping malls like Aiea?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04387735600809559417noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-3358777550613708872009-11-20T12:23:21.817-10:002009-11-20T12:23:21.817-10:00"Yeah, remember how the little pavilions alon..."Yeah, remember how the little pavilions along that stretch were supposed to be topped with large, leafy trees,"<br /><br />I never saw trees on the plan.<br />Which large leafy trees would survive the coast.<br />Only ironwood and false kamani two invasive trees that actually harden the shore.<br /><br />i guee we could add some pavillions with out picnic tables for the wheelchairs.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-57315866967318145592009-11-20T09:01:09.715-10:002009-11-20T09:01:09.715-10:00aloha joan,
nice post; great show. glad you're...aloha joan,<br />nice post; great show. glad you're inspired to seek higher ground. thnx for sharing, peace,......jtAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-76646997645271363902009-11-20T08:47:49.145-10:002009-11-20T08:47:49.145-10:00giving ones self credit for having strong and poor...giving ones self credit for having strong and poorly reasoned opinions against public works projects like parks and bike paths while area youth continue to fall behind the rest of the world, sustainability opportunities are squandered, and cronyism governs. nice<br /><br />dwpsAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com