tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post1441495094602930216..comments2023-10-17T04:51:08.765-10:00Comments on KauaiEclectic: Musings: Gambling on Coco PalmsJoan Conrowhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00172330100788007499noreply@blogger.comBlogger23125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-45957902588887771042014-10-20T07:42:22.123-10:002014-10-20T07:42:22.123-10:00Anonymous December 13, 2013 at 8:51 PM
Hi ChadAnonymous December 13, 2013 at 8:51 PM<br /><br />Hi ChadAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-75636947958735449722013-12-15T10:36:44.220-10:002013-12-15T10:36:44.220-10:00You can't condemn the property and order the o...You can't condemn the property and order the owners to clean up. If the government condemns the property the government owns it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-75158708026266947392013-12-15T08:11:42.269-10:002013-12-15T08:11:42.269-10:008:02 AM, youʻve made the most sense and the correc...8:02 AM, youʻve made the most sense and the correct call.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-5794573069776005202013-12-14T08:37:18.351-10:002013-12-14T08:37:18.351-10:00Anybody here, as recently as yesterday, recall the...Anybody here, as recently as yesterday, recall the accident?<br /><br />No where to go when there is one.<br /><br />These guys are fly-by-nights. <br />Send them packing. Agor and Kusaka. Geez no wonder.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-71793076546886991252013-12-14T08:02:48.036-10:002013-12-14T08:02:48.036-10:00Condemn Coco Palms as health and safety hazard. Or...Condemn Coco Palms as health and safety hazard. Order the owner to clean it up. If the Owner refuses, clean it with county funds, bill the owner for cleanup, lien the property if owner "no pay" and then an auction.<br />There is a responsibility to ownership and these owners have had a free hand. If you have health/safety hazard on your little lot, the County State comes down hard and forces you to clean it or they clean it and bill you.<br />Our County officials are afraid to sue people out side of the government, but they sure sue love to sue the County themselves, IE Bynam BS suit, Auditor, various others, County suing County over voter mandated prop tax control.....we are led by self servers with no spine and only seek self glorification and wonderful pension plans.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-44439551214818775472013-12-13T20:51:16.565-10:002013-12-13T20:51:16.565-10:00Terrific mythology at work here regarding CP.
Le...Terrific mythology at work here regarding CP. <br />Left out of the demonization of the "developers who had their chance" was how the Spa, to be built on the already developed area of tennis courts, was shot down by activists and doomed their project.<br />Left out of the demonization of Chad Waters is that every realtor in America faced bankruptcy, beginning in 2007, just like he did.<br />Left out of the "300 car" traffic concern is how motorists at resorts do not all leave at the same time. Drive or stop along Poipu Road. The only time more than one car is in a resort driveway is during the late afternoon workers shift change.<br />Only one constructive thing has occurred since 2006 regarding turning Coco Palms into a park. Hawaii Islands Land Trust had a $270k grant application approved to pay for gathering "community input" and to study if "the idea is feasible." The money was never released.<br />Based on that, how many decades will a park idea require.<br />Remember, $3mil demolition is just to foundation level. Demolition to park level would be at least $6mil then you have to build the park and that's all after $12mil to purchase Coco Palms.<br />A lot of permit work, planning work, and Council testimony went on during the last several months. It was done in plain sight; nothing sneaky at all. Granted, a lot of folks were busy washing red tshirts every day and just didn't notice! <br />Pete AntonsonAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-24801485118321087812013-12-13T16:53:30.391-10:002013-12-13T16:53:30.391-10:002:52. There's a lot more traffic now than '...2:52. There's a lot more traffic now than '92Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-9294367762998728822013-12-13T16:19:58.747-10:002013-12-13T16:19:58.747-10:00The people who made Coco Palms what it was are lon...The people who made Coco Palms what it was are long gone- and with them the heart and soul of its hospitality and genuine concern for the workforce and community. The carcass is not an icon; it's an eyesore. There's a a brave new world out there populated by transplants, shysters, Ponzi artists and scheming promoters of all types who will give you 'aina, aloha, kokua, mana'o, up the wazoo and a good boot to the okole maka'ainana as they lighten your wallet. Elvis himself would be all for this project. Yes indeedy, The King would go.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-84821935599157952582013-12-13T16:12:03.896-10:002013-12-13T16:12:03.896-10:00and don't forget it is a sacred burial groundand don't forget it is a sacred burial groundAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-54701812032563517102013-12-13T14:52:27.998-10:002013-12-13T14:52:27.998-10:00but wait....why is this such a problem-this proper...but wait....why is this such a problem-this property is in the Visitor designated zone-was a popular hotel before and traffic didn't seem to matter then<br />or is it just because this is more visitors to take away from your sense of ownership of this island since you "recently moved here" ??Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-89241057157770364682013-12-13T13:09:40.047-10:002013-12-13T13:09:40.047-10:00I think we need TV talk host
Phil Donahue to lead ...I think we need TV talk host<br />Phil Donahue to lead the next council meeting for a "share your guts with the guys" session...followed by facilitation by Oprah... for the galz sharing about their "feelings".<br /><br />We can have an onsite circle hand holding wishing event led by Marianne Kusaka and Ron Agor...with the Mayor BC in charge of food and entertainment.<br /><br />Later.....Garrison Keillor will write a poem about it, and Arlo Guthrie a song.<br /><br />BYO sledge hammer and steel toed boots<br /><br />Zero SevenAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-90176880816988481322013-12-13T11:39:38.821-10:002013-12-13T11:39:38.821-10:00i wonder if the planning dept can make the permits...i wonder if the planning dept can make the permits/exemptions non-transferrable ? aloha DeanAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-74699624168525383892013-12-13T11:04:34.785-10:002013-12-13T11:04:34.785-10:00Chad Waters? I googled moku'aina properties ll...Chad Waters? I googled moku'aina properties llc there last venture and noticed the website was taken down. Its amazing the county can trust these guys, especially when a simple google search shows nothing good. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-3927663482991906892013-12-13T08:09:02.670-10:002013-12-13T08:09:02.670-10:00The legend of Coco Palms should be allowed to be j...The legend of Coco Palms should be allowed to be just that, a legend. Time to tear down the eyesore, and convert it into something the preserves the natural environment. Cleary without major road changes this will only create further congestion, frustrating visitors and locals a like. <br />Seems a bit odd that a demolition fence goes up so quickly before any plan is submitted. The council should really ask themselves if this plan really makes sense long term. I get that we need jobs on the island, but this one smells a little funny.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-53010647546417799082013-12-13T08:07:22.648-10:002013-12-13T08:07:22.648-10:00This is a joke. How many more times are we going ...This is a joke. How many more times are we going to go through this? Geez.<br />AAAhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05690619774062470921noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-44104514965815779052013-12-12T23:31:08.045-10:002013-12-12T23:31:08.045-10:00True leadership "gut feelings".
For Tim ...True leadership "gut feelings".<br />For Tim to speak of "gut" feeling, in his case, is a flabby, corpulent and bloated truth.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-87802786350470699382013-12-12T22:05:06.203-10:002013-12-12T22:05:06.203-10:00Coco Palms should be treated like any other develo...Coco Palms should be treated like any other development and pay its dues. The "magic" will never be there again, times have changed and so the people too.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-83326419812211784462013-12-12T21:27:48.879-10:002013-12-12T21:27:48.879-10:00Joan got good "guts."
History indicates...Joan got good "guts."<br /><br />History indicates that Chad Waters indeed does intend to flip the Coco Palms property. His house of cards is falling,and he has more motive than ever to flip it: <br /><br />http://www.bizjournals.com/sanjose/stories/2007/03/19/story8.html?page=allAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-12932033175522029052013-12-12T21:18:23.760-10:002013-12-12T21:18:23.760-10:00Re: Chad Waters
So is this the same guy? If so, ...Re: Chad Waters<br /><br />So is this the same guy? If so, so much for "due diligence" from our council, or from their touchy-feely "guts!"<br /><br />Gosh, and all this from one simple google--m'gosh, you really got to wonder about this council . . . <br /><br />Will this again be a 6-1 vote?<br /><br />"A Santa Clara County Superior Court judge agreed Feb. 2 to remove the top leadership of San Jose's Waters Fund Management and to appoint a receiver to operate the firm following a request from several high-profile investors alarmed by the loss of better than half the equity capital initially raised by firm founder Chad Waters.<br /><br />Waters, a real estate agent in Santa Cruz, relinquished management of Waters Fund a little over a year ago. But current management has said in sworn court filings that the losses the company has suffered are directly related to his questionable management. Neither Waters nor current management returned calls or e-mail seeking comment. Waters is not named as a defendant in the suit.<br /><br />"According to court records, beginning in December 2004, Chad Waters raised in excess of $25 million for two real-estate investment funds with the goal of buying sites, enhancing their value and then selling for a profit. Toward that end, he used the funds to buy nearly two dozen California properties and attain options on various others." <br /><br />And if you think this quote is taken out of context, here is this whole article: http://www.bizjournals.com/sanjose/stories/2007/02/12/story5.html?page=all<br /><br />Read it and weepy.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-81348218966342431232013-12-12T20:08:19.270-10:002013-12-12T20:08:19.270-10:00Thank you, Joan. I believe this new proposal has b...Thank you, Joan. I believe this new proposal has been fishy from the start. How were they allowed to start any kind of work there without permits?<br />Is that $500,000 going to be used as a chokehold on us now especially with that crook Belles involved?<br /><br />There was a promise made to the residents here and that was it would be a community endeavor for a cultural site.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-1651620261045021482013-12-12T19:59:18.427-10:002013-12-12T19:59:18.427-10:00Maryanne Kusaka is the realtor. Former DLNR commis...Maryanne Kusaka is the realtor. Former DLNR commissioner Ron Agor is Architect.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-35291504240491531952013-12-12T19:49:35.319-10:002013-12-12T19:49:35.319-10:00There should be a performance bond of $500K to sit...There should be a performance bond of $500K to sit in a trust account. If the developers perform they get it back. 500K is nothing for a project of this size.<br />Grandfathering the permits will mean less parking than current requirements and many other issues. The Sea Shell restaurant will also be grandfathered with no parking and no convenient access.<br />I worked with Coco Palms and Mrs. Guslander back in the 70s and yes, Coco Palms is a romantic memory, but it can never regain its legend.<br />Traffic at the entry is another problem.<br />These guys are flippers, hold, get permits and flip.<br />Our council looked like pathetic little puppies being manipulated by a couple of slick guys pushing a long lost dream. For the council to act on a "gut feeling" shows that our council are a group of dreamy fantasists with no idea on how development works. Flim flam, thank you Ma'am. For almost 25 years Kauai has lived with the carcass of Coco Palms and now the Council Committee wants to allow it to linger for many more years. Hard money or go home. Check Chad Waters -Calif- for another picture of these "developers"....they are Realtors. Speculate with County blessings.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-17054789327167491102013-12-12T18:46:03.863-10:002013-12-12T18:46:03.863-10:00Nice article Joan! And you taught me a new word &q...Nice article Joan! And you taught me a new word "pungle". Never heard it before, but like it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com