tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post2597474025136047697..comments2023-10-17T04:51:08.765-10:00Comments on KauaiEclectic: Musings: No SurprisesJoan Conrowhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00172330100788007499noreply@blogger.comBlogger27125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-36897674561254892412008-07-11T08:55:00.000-10:002008-07-11T08:55:00.000-10:00This kind of attitude will "stur" them up:"For the...This kind of attitude will "stur" them up:<BR/><BR/>"For the rest: shut the F up and keep digigng the foundations of your "better's" home!"Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-7427223861093168212008-07-11T07:45:00.000-10:002008-07-11T07:45:00.000-10:00they already know that. they don't care either an...they already know that. they don't care either and continue to go about their business, no matter how much you try to stur them up.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-33715711067553187722008-07-10T16:51:00.000-10:002008-07-10T16:51:00.000-10:00What happens when the poor figure out that the ric...What happens when the poor figure out that the rich don't give a sh-t? Will the wealthy hunker down behind gates and bullet proof windows, enjoying life in paradise?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-3692852326311658392008-07-10T13:15:00.000-10:002008-07-10T13:15:00.000-10:00Like the jazz singer of the 1920's said:"Romance [...Like the jazz singer of the 1920's said:<BR/><BR/>"Romance [with the islands] without finance ain't got a chance."<BR/><BR/>You can't preserve something unless it is a "preserve"...nature preserve, park, your back yard that you own, etc.<BR/><BR/>But then, who's pay the taxes required?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-15292172446207431662008-07-10T12:33:00.000-10:002008-07-10T12:33:00.000-10:00> Gee, we're so sorry we couldn't keep things just...<I> > Gee, we're so sorry we couldn't keep things just the way they were 20 years ago like the rest of the world did. Yawn. < </I><BR/><BR/>Like I said, tears mean little. Heart means less.<BR/><BR/>Money means everything.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-33158591099458805312008-07-10T06:44:00.000-10:002008-07-10T06:44:00.000-10:00You want an unchanged place? Go to Niihau. Or to...You want an unchanged place? Go to Niihau. Or to national parks. <BR/><BR/>The only way to keep things from changing, for the most part, is to OWN THEM. Private property or national "private property".<BR/><BR/>Other than that, it's a world of buyers and sellers and changers.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-3403808486502994332008-07-10T06:20:00.000-10:002008-07-10T06:20:00.000-10:00Anon wrote: But if you love Kaua'i, mus hurt like ...Anon wrote: But if you love Kaua'i, mus hurt like hell.<BR/><BR/>You got that right.Joan Conrowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00172330100788007499noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-37520434875031452302008-07-09T21:02:00.000-10:002008-07-09T21:02:00.000-10:00Das da way it is! No can help, if you akamai, no m...Das da way it is! No can help, if you akamai, no matter if you from hea, from ova dea, rich, poor, young, old, everybody like live hea! But if you love Kaua'i, mus hurt like hell.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-30324627384123250792008-07-09T19:56:00.000-10:002008-07-09T19:56:00.000-10:00Gee, we're so sorry we couldn't keep things just t...Gee, we're so sorry we couldn't keep things just the way they were 20 years ago like the rest of the world did. Yawn.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-87467105666876849352008-07-09T19:30:00.000-10:002008-07-09T19:30:00.000-10:00> I am not sure Joan can conclude that Perry think...<I> > I am not sure Joan can conclude that Perry thinks the situation "stinks" from what she quoted. That seems like a strong opinion to claim for somebody else. I would say it's clear he's frustrated by the situation. < </I><BR/><BR/>Let me tell you what stinks. It's visiting Kauai two to three times a year between 1975 and 1988. It's spending five or six weeks a year for 13 years -- south side and west side, mostly; hiking and jeeping, photographing and painting. <BR/><BR/>It's being away for 19 years, then coming back in 2007. It's finding the old places I walked encrusted in concrete, and crying. <BR/><BR/>What stinks is seeing the results of two decades of legal eagles and legislators, personal-righters and realtors, contractors and off-island land owners, all of whom demand the right to sell the island for profit, get their way -- and being unable to stop the dismay and the tears.<BR/><BR/>Not that my tears mean much to them.<BR/><BR/>In my wildest imaginings, I can't conjure the loss the locals must feel. <BR/><BR/>Which, I imagine, means even less.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-53672364435480817882008-07-09T09:38:00.000-10:002008-07-09T09:38:00.000-10:00Not really my style, but I couldn't resist this vi...Not really my style, but I couldn't resist this virtual chair, the old pot-kettle defense: Gadfly talking about "out-of-touch-with-reality zealots" wanting to preserve "little empires of the [soon to be] past with no future" should take a good long look in the mirror. And if he says he cares nothing for the little empire that gave him what he has, then he can't claim others are so attached to their own empires without some explicit quote.<BR/><BR/>Also, I'm willing to be contradicted, but I think it might be possible to claim that the influence of the Tahitian invasion was much less strong on Kauai. For example, the kapu of women not eating bananas was not practiced here.<BR/><BR/>I'll admit it, I don't want development, but as I've said before, there's no other way for the dispossed to stop it in this system. Island Breath has the aerial photo of that land, wouldn't that sandy point surrounded by houses (some of them already dev'd by Brescia) be nice as a natural and cultural buffer and beach access? While I don't buy into the "cemetary" claim, it's evident that this was a natural place to bury people, on this little point, and that should be respected.<BR/><BR/>But to play within the system, I highly encourage my gov't representative to use everyone's tax dollars to purchase the property for cultural conservation and beach access. The price should be realistic current market value (expected sales price, not listing price) or purchase price plus all taxes paid on the property, whichever is less.<BR/><BR/>I also note there are a lot of people out there attempting character assassination on Katy. You might not agree with her, but lay off the attacks, people.<BR/><BR/>I also agree with Katy, that while we're all in the need to put food on the table, especially those with families, a little sympathy for one's opponents goes a long way. Yes, that even means you, gadfly--you poor thing, having to spend your precious time amusing yourself by pestering liberals in blog comments.<BR/><BR/>And finally because I am a watchdog and try to look impartially at the rhetoric, I am not sure Joan can conclude that Perry thinks the situation "stinks" from what she quoted. That seems like a strong opinion to claim for somebody else. I would say it's clear he's frustrated by the situation.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-19919069221632016002008-07-09T06:13:00.000-10:002008-07-09T06:13:00.000-10:00True, but its also entertaining, like a message bo...True, but its also entertaining, like a message board version of Jerry Springer.<BR/><BR/>I like the contentiousness of it all, including the ocassional boil over. I wish no comments were deleted.<BR/><BR/>I ocassionally throw some gas on the fire if I think it's going out too soon.<BR/><BR/>Now who's going to throw the first virtual chair?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-8462696481098183492008-07-08T22:39:00.000-10:002008-07-08T22:39:00.000-10:00Whoa, the comments are so revealing. Brutally hone...Whoa, the comments are so revealing. Brutally honest, but really lame, too.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-69595951650444960322008-07-08T16:57:00.000-10:002008-07-08T16:57:00.000-10:00Excellentn point! The "house outrage" preceeding ...Excellentn point! The "house outrage" preceeding the "bone discovery" tells it all....just a bunch of locals saying "get the hell off OUR island"<BR/><BR/>The only ones that can say that are the legal (USA standards) owners of Niihou and Lanai which I believe are both 100% private property.<BR/><BR/>For the rest: shut the F up and keep digigng the foundations of your "better's" home!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-63785528789317597062008-07-08T16:24:00.000-10:002008-07-08T16:24:00.000-10:00It's hard to give you the benefit of the doubt and...It's hard to give you the benefit of the doubt and take your moral indignation at face value when you were just as morally outraged about this guy's house before any bones were found there.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-56424540384004286382008-07-08T16:14:00.000-10:002008-07-08T16:14:00.000-10:00"I'm on the side of the LIVING descendants of the ..."I'm on the side of the LIVING descendants of the people who were here hundreds of years ago" murdering the poor little Marquesan workers who were just trying to earn a living and got runover by the rich Tahitians! Yes! This is class warfare! And since we're all descended from Adam and Eve, I choose to identify myself as a Marquesan, so all you occupying Tahitians murderers must leave now! And I'll bet the haole in you mixed-breed Tahitians is burning your brown skin to death!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-11142213518996625082008-07-08T15:15:00.000-10:002008-07-08T15:15:00.000-10:00I've researched Atooi, but I still like to make fu...I've researched Atooi, but I still like to make fun of inconsequential "footnote in history" little empires of the past with no future save in the minds of out-of-touch-with-reality zealots.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-34928763072925867402008-07-08T13:51:00.000-10:002008-07-08T13:51:00.000-10:00Bingo, gadfly! You, like your ancestors (adolf et....Bingo, gadfly! You, like your ancestors (adolf et. al.), WOULD know no other response that "gesundheit," with nary a clue what Atooi was.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-12329761342657395712008-07-08T13:41:00.000-10:002008-07-08T13:41:00.000-10:00living decendents?most of them are in vegas and ot...living decendents?<BR/><BR/>most of them are in vegas and other points east of here.<BR/><BR/>i'm sure they don't give a damn.<BR/><BR/>just admit it....you just don't want development and are using this as one excuse to curtail it.<BR/><BR/>notice that it's not working?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-47428697110504828552008-07-08T13:23:00.000-10:002008-07-08T13:23:00.000-10:00Atooi?Gesundheit!!Atooi?<BR/><BR/>Gesundheit!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-31924841804181617962008-07-08T12:17:00.000-10:002008-07-08T12:17:00.000-10:00I'm on the side of the LIVING descendants of the p...I'm on the side of the LIVING descendants of the people who were here hundreds of years ago, a time when our ancestors were thousands of miles away, with ne'er a clue what Atooi was.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-60691316622090276332008-07-08T10:20:00.000-10:002008-07-08T10:20:00.000-10:00I'm on the side of management and the owners of ou...I'm on the side of management and the owners of our means to produce.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-5986419468145728682008-07-08T10:13:00.000-10:002008-07-08T10:13:00.000-10:00I think Bresca's not only right but within his rig...I think Bresca's not only right but within his rights to build. The only judges of his actions who have any standing in this are the state/county/burial council.<BR/><BR/>Preserving culture by leaving all burial findings along and untouched by any development is wrong.<BR/><BR/>Move 'em or lose 'em. The dead should never stand in the way of the living, with the exception of state-approved "off limits" cemetaries of some national worth.<BR/><BR/>I've known of entire mainland cemetaries that have been moved to allow for development. I've no problem with that.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-51371793476346574672008-07-08T08:53:00.000-10:002008-07-08T08:53:00.000-10:00I don't think so - especially when you consider wh...I don't think so - especially when you consider what the post-air-traffic-controllers-strike Reagan years did to working people. If there was ever a time to honor a picket line, it was then. Those who didn't made it clear "which side they were on." <BR/><BR/>But enough about that - it's off the topic. If you think my view on that is too extreme, provide some ideas about how to build common cause with the contractor for Brescia in order to prevent the destruction of the burial site. <BR/><BR/>It's apparent that Brescia doesn't give a damn about the concerns of people who care about iwi kupuna, and is content with engaging in wickedness, but I have no reason to assume that the contractor can't be moved.Katyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09145011324294730195noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-57563579431963919562008-07-08T08:18:00.000-10:002008-07-08T08:18:00.000-10:00That's way over the deep end, Katy.That's way over the deep end, Katy.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com