tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post2848556137674652291..comments2023-10-17T04:51:08.765-10:00Comments on KauaiEclectic: Musings: On the TableJoan Conrowhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00172330100788007499noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-40203242974204125992014-05-16T06:39:21.189-10:002014-05-16T06:39:21.189-10:00Native Hawaiians already have self governance just...Native Hawaiians already have self governance just like the rest of us. We all participate equally in local and State government. Nobody is "special" due to the circumstances of their ancestry.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-18043507793051713722014-05-15T10:31:49.318-10:002014-05-15T10:31:49.318-10:00@7:45
You correctly stated "those people"...@7:45<br />You correctly stated "those people", did run a country, and the monarchy ran up huge debts, causing them to give up their crown lands, and still the the debts rose.<br />You also didn't understand 4:01's point, even if there was a new constitution, it couldn't offer all the benefits that many happily take today, creating generational welfare families.<br />This is the 50th State, that will not change, work towards some self governance, but pay for it yourself, I don't want to support a supposed independent nation.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-48921046499578425992014-05-15T10:15:45.715-10:002014-05-15T10:15:45.715-10:00Or all the kanaka living in diaspora all across th...Or all the kanaka living in diaspora all across the world will return to their motherland to become part of their beloved lahui (nation). One need only know world history and current events to know sovereignty is no "pipe dream". For all who migrated here, they can either embrace it or leave it. If Japanese Americans can have justice, so too must Kanaka Maoli.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-14263107871925636362014-05-15T06:34:19.003-10:002014-05-15T06:34:19.003-10:00I am the only one who believes that all else aside...I am the only one who believes that all else aside the legal concept of laches would carry the day in any court and that reinstatement is a pipe dream?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-55886859451550981772014-05-14T19:21:37.918-10:002014-05-14T19:21:37.918-10:00Hawaiian sovereignty is a bogus idea. No way will ...Hawaiian sovereignty is a bogus idea. No way will the majority of the citizens of Hawaii accept a reinstated Hawaiian monarchy or any other type of government for that matter. No government can be legitimate without the consent of the governed. Less than 10% of the population does not get to decide what form of government for the rest of us. OHA and all race based Hawaiian programs should be abolished. Time for a Con Con.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-24157318177633440592014-05-14T05:49:55.037-10:002014-05-14T05:49:55.037-10:00The blood tests along would bankrupt any would be ...The blood tests along would bankrupt any would be nation.<br />Just run a few straw polls to see how the what the people want!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-78429295529385749732014-05-14T00:53:01.074-10:002014-05-14T00:53:01.074-10:00Hawaiians and fake Hawaiians you should be very ca...Hawaiians and fake Hawaiians you should be very careful with what you wish . Think about a fish that was born and raised in a fish tank and then is released into the ocean.... It won't last long.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-78819066010081854012014-05-13T20:42:41.047-10:002014-05-13T20:42:41.047-10:00Really? Are the Hawaiians suffering? From what? ...Really? Are the Hawaiians suffering? From what? How would you know that the Hawaiians had a better government than now? Too many chiefs! International Law, forget it! Can't you face the reality? The Hawaiians have more rights than you and me! I truly believe that sovereignty for the Hawaiians is long gone. They are better off today than yester-year. Just dream!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-58702272009028069172014-05-13T19:45:55.474-10:002014-05-13T19:45:55.474-10:004:01 with the usual racist theme that "those ...4:01 with the usual racist theme that "those people aren't sophisticated enough to run a nation". Never mind that "those people" ran their nation here before the overthrow by american guns.<br /><br />As for losing constitutional protections, might it occur to you that the Hawaiian Nation's constitution might actually grant its people more protections that its US counterpart? It might not even have domestic surveillance.<br /><br />The Reinstated government is a democracy so your concern about self appointed leaders is based on misplaced. <br /><br />And one might think the American Indians would want the Hawaiians to avoid suffering some of the same subjugation and lack of true sovereignty imposed on them. You seem to imply that the Native Americans want the Hawaiians to suffer the same fate. I can pretty much assure you that among educated Native Americans, the sentiment is exactly the opposite.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-27699863503652005242014-05-13T16:01:49.254-10:002014-05-13T16:01:49.254-10:00How would the Indians feel about the Hawaiians bei...How would the Indians feel about the Hawaiians being a sovereign nation in the Sate of Hawaii? Many Hawaiians are standing on false hopes. What are the Hawaiians willing to give up on what they have now(benefits, livelihoods, rights, educational opportunities, protection under the US Constitution, etc) as US citizens to be a nation by itself. Will they be able to exist as a nation to rule its people. The reality is it will never happen not now or in the future. Running a Nation is a complicated endeavor. There are too many self appointed Hawaiians who want to build their own nation and not have the ability or qualified to to step-up and govern a nation of Hawaiians! OHA? Hawaiian Sovereignty is full of false hopes, tell me another joke! Hawaii is already the 50th State how can you not accept that?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-55048093792957300022014-05-13T14:08:16.891-10:002014-05-13T14:08:16.891-10:00OHA on sovereign nation : Don't ask don't ...OHA on sovereign nation : Don't ask don't tell. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-92050617393545690102014-05-13T13:42:32.006-10:002014-05-13T13:42:32.006-10:00Kane Pa and Henry Noa and the Reinstated Governmen...Kane Pa and Henry Noa and the Reinstated Government has been saying this all along. Gotta look to international law. They had an expert at the Kahoolawe trial testify about the same thing. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com