tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post2863395799936412540..comments2023-10-17T04:51:08.765-10:00Comments on KauaiEclectic: Musings: Controlled OppositionJoan Conrowhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00172330100788007499noreply@blogger.comBlogger22125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-41145996454390861042014-12-04T15:37:15.987-10:002014-12-04T15:37:15.987-10:00There are stupid pseudo intellectuals among us who...There are stupid pseudo intellectuals among us who believe that trying to be on both sides at the same time constitutes the serene "middle ground." In actuality, the middle is populated by those who are on neither side!<br />I'm not sure Ed Coll has enough time left to figure this out!<br /><br />Pete AntonsonAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-49742524121177785622014-12-04T13:50:06.104-10:002014-12-04T13:50:06.104-10:00It is nothing new for the opposition of anything ...It is nothing new for the opposition of anything to fund an organization against whatever is the issue of the times.It keeps people thinking there is an effective group doing something. In modern times, you are often asked to sign a petition or somehing that makes you feel like you participated.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-7571896298168166042014-12-04T11:44:34.366-10:002014-12-04T11:44:34.366-10:00With regards to the comment of Anonymous at 7:38 p...With regards to the comment of Anonymous at 7:38 p.m., KIUC's solar farms are not priced to the cost of oil-fired power. Power from KIUC's Koloa solar array continues to produce electricity for KIUC members at far, far less than the cost of fossil fuel power.Jan Thttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11097508601802284702noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-16713731816863974102014-12-04T10:11:08.853-10:002014-12-04T10:11:08.853-10:00Joan said, "One can't trust corporations,...Joan said, "One can't trust corporations, only individuals who have proven themselves trustworthy."<br /><br />True enough Joan, however trustworthiness does not provide immunization against being snookered or duped. Many true believers, regardless of the belief, cannot stand the cognitive dissonance of ambiguity and thus become easy marks for propaganda that reinforces their worldview. ekcollhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16396807815655716254noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-56046713532159910272014-12-03T23:22:15.622-10:002014-12-03T23:22:15.622-10:00Not on Maui.Not on Maui.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-56428132112713562482014-12-03T22:39:45.526-10:002014-12-03T22:39:45.526-10:00It's not a conspiracy it's the way of the ...It's not a conspiracy it's the way of the world: war by proxy. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-85291629995330295682014-12-03T22:22:04.018-10:002014-12-03T22:22:04.018-10:00I think they largely get their $ from the heirs an...I think they largely get their $ from the heirs and heiresses of wealthy industrialists- that made their fortunes in capitalism. Now they use these fortunes to rail against the very system that made them millions-or billions, often without having to do any real work of their own. Members of the lucky sperm club. <br /><br />Imbedded in this self-loathing is a form of schizophrenia. When this mental illness is imposed on our society via their donations, we are all sickened by it. That is what we are witnessing now, with flawed legislation, puppet-like activist legislators proposing laws so extreme they are unwittingly punting responsible decision-making to the judiciary. <br /><br />Introducing and passing illegal laws so extreme erodes the role of legislators themselves. Sad, costly and counterproductive. It will continue until we get a better crop of legislators. I think the changeover has begun, but more work to do.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-29258207831572460202014-12-03T21:44:18.960-10:002014-12-03T21:44:18.960-10:00No, I don't think Monsanto & Co. is fundin...No, I don't think Monsanto & Co. is funding CFS. It gets its money from big oil. Yes. pre-emption already existed. All that was needed was an interpretation, which you get by presenting flawed laws, which was done. And all the money that's given to these groups by corps and the 1%, or spent in litigation and on advertising, isn't "wasted." It's a tax write off.Joan Conrowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00172330100788007499noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-4336531785763162662014-12-03T21:43:21.347-10:002014-12-03T21:43:21.347-10:00More duck and cover by Ed Coll!!
He puts out state...More duck and cover by Ed Coll!!<br />He puts out statements that start out being against the anti-GMO movement, then clouds it with ambiguity so as to build deniability among his anti-GMO pals. Keep up up the hilarious work Ed!<br /><br />Pete Antonson Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-82845840026820890722014-12-03T20:55:09.454-10:002014-12-03T20:55:09.454-10:00C'mon. You think Monsanto and Co are funding C...C'mon. You think Monsanto and Co are funding CFS to gain preemption? It already existed. All Judge Kurren did was tell everyone what was there. He doesn't make the law. He interprets it. That's an enormous leap and the mother of all conspiracy theories. Frankly, Joan, I think you're off base on this one. No one, not even a corporation wants to flush millions down the drain. Better produce some evidence for that assertion lest you become like the ones you're criticizing. That would be an awful shame because I love your blog so much.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-1957957651980243332014-12-03T19:38:05.537-10:002014-12-03T19:38:05.537-10:00With oil and gas prices falling, its looks like no...With oil and gas prices falling, its looks like not so great time for KIUC to have signed all these Solar Farms up based on the then peak price of oil. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-70429685941680276972014-12-03T18:43:08.953-10:002014-12-03T18:43:08.953-10:00One can't trust corporations, only individuals...One can't trust corporations, only individuals who have proven themselves trustworthy. Joan Conrowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00172330100788007499noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-82379382120467942622014-12-03T18:37:04.238-10:002014-12-03T18:37:04.238-10:00Sounds like you are describing a corporatocracy in...Sounds like you are describing a corporatocracy in which all resistance is futile and the best we can hope for is voluntary compliance and corporate good will, but since they are funding their own opposition as a ruse to negate effective opposition how can one trust their good will or their voluntary compliance?ekcollhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16396807815655716254noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-20637077351236984162014-12-03T18:08:19.008-10:002014-12-03T18:08:19.008-10:00There are few absolutes in this world, so no doubt...There are few absolutes in this world, so no doubt there are some that are not controlled by corporate money. Joan Conrowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00172330100788007499noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-64121012374192513272014-12-03T17:46:42.720-10:002014-12-03T17:46:42.720-10:00Are there any legitimate advocacy/opposition group...Are there any legitimate advocacy/opposition groups not controlled by corporations or are the corporations buttering everybody's bread?ekcollhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16396807815655716254noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-83300867891653068262014-12-03T17:24:18.764-10:002014-12-03T17:24:18.764-10:00Yes, I mean that many nonprofit advocacy/oppositio...Yes, I mean that many nonprofit advocacy/opposition groups are controlled by corporations. I think some individuals in the Hawaii anti-GMO opposition may have been snookered, while groups like Center for Food Safety know exactly what's going on and willingly play their part because that's how their bread is buttered.<br />Joan Conrowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00172330100788007499noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-84349916442113275982014-12-03T17:02:37.316-10:002014-12-03T17:02:37.316-10:00Joaan said "The "snookered" are tho...Joaan said "The "snookered" are those who did not realize the opposition was controlled."<br /><br />When you say "the opposition was controlled" do you mean controlled by the corporations? Was the opposition itself snookered by the corporations?<br /><br /><br />ekcollhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16396807815655716254noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-64877938646532523812014-12-03T16:44:06.737-10:002014-12-03T16:44:06.737-10:00The "snookered" are those who did not re...The "snookered" are those who did not realize the opposition was controlled.Joan Conrowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00172330100788007499noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-69878032392779531192014-12-03T16:09:12.949-10:002014-12-03T16:09:12.949-10:00Joan said - "Still, they keep losing — becaus...Joan said - "Still, they keep losing — because they're “controlled opposition. A comment was left on a previous post that underscores what I've been saying for over a year now about how the whole BS anti-GMO movement played out in Hawaii:"<br /><br />commenter said- "there can be no meaningful mass movement when dissent is generously funded by those same corporate interests which are the target of the protest movement." and Joan said "In other words, ya'll been snookered" <br /><br />So is the reader to understand that the "controlled opposition" are the "snookered" duped into working on behalf of "corporate interests"? Are we watching a corporate funded pro wrestling performance funded by corporations using snookered citizens to obtain statewide pre emption? Sounds like the classic long con where the snookered are the marks and con artists are the corporations, but there may also be other shills posing as marks that also work for these corporate deceivers in this steaming pile of conspiracy.ekcollhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16396807815655716254noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-17575630737220287582014-12-03T15:45:14.654-10:002014-12-03T15:45:14.654-10:00The Center for Food Safety and the KKK have much i...The Center for Food Safety and the KKK have much in common. They both actively hate, spread lies and seek to destroy with no good reason other than their own hate.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-31700100775659090982014-12-03T15:38:19.309-10:002014-12-03T15:38:19.309-10:00I think a lot of the silent majority woke up and v...I think a lot of the silent majority woke up and voted this past election.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-75441444919222322432014-12-03T15:00:25.118-10:002014-12-03T15:00:25.118-10:00Thank you, Joan.
Thank you, Joan.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com