tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post321833401644972190..comments2023-10-17T04:51:08.765-10:00Comments on KauaiEclectic: Musings: Out of ReachJoan Conrowhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00172330100788007499noreply@blogger.comBlogger15125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-5311035196572096002012-03-22T19:35:56.791-10:002012-03-22T19:35:56.791-10:00Joan,
I know one plant on this island that shrin...Joan, <br /><br />I know one plant on this island that shrinks up when touched so as to protect itself from being eaten by parasites. That is not a sentient act, but an act of self-preservation, for which sentience is not required.KamaKelenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-50818150468401332182012-03-22T14:24:57.844-10:002012-03-22T14:24:57.844-10:00Science can be applied to many such phenomena fair...Science can be applied to many such phenomena fairly easily. And it need not be that sophisticated a test.<br /><br />An example... You mention shamanic journeying, by another name, astral projection. The claim of being able to explore other places with the mind.<br /><br />Try a simple test, descibe a place that is undiscovered or currently unreachable by more normal methods but shortly will be reached. Draw a map, describe a new animal to be found, provide some proof of the vists before the place is availble to a more prosaic method.<br /><br />A nice example, a challenge was issued to one of the folks who claimed to do astral projection recently... Draw a map of Pluto. The dwarf planet has never been photographed with any resolution. The New Horizons probe will arrive at Pluto in a few years. If the drawn map at all matches the photos sent back by the spacecraft?<br /><br />Simple tests! No one has ever presented a decent response to this or any similar challenge. Try it, there is a million dollars available if you can.Andrew Cooperhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16404795276468632488noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-16311731873741687222012-03-22T12:42:30.400-10:002012-03-22T12:42:30.400-10:00I always appreciate your thoughtful comments, Andr...I always appreciate your thoughtful comments, Andrew, as well as your blog. I don't mean to imply that scientists are separate from others, and I respect the scientific process. But I just can't accept that it is the final arbiter of what's "real" or "true."<br /><br />Some things, like souls, love, the creative muse, spirits and shamanic journeying, probably can't be proven by the scientific method, but that doesn't mean they aren't real. Because when you've experienced something, and thus have a first-hand knowing of its existence, that's all the proof you need.Joan Conrowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00172330100788007499noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-26488552458158699402012-03-22T10:13:00.987-10:002012-03-22T10:13:00.987-10:00"I've got nothing against science or the ..."I've got nothing against science or the scientific method. But my complaint is that it tends to dismiss anything it hasn't figured out how to prove or bothered to check into."<br /><br />Joan, you seem to reflect that "science" is some monolithic entity with exclusive entry. That scientists are somehow separate from everyone else.<br /><br />Science is a process that is open to anyone with a curious mind. There are thousands of amateur scientists that work to explore our world every day. They are often looking into places overlooked by the regular establishment and discovering new things every year. Some of these folks are poor amateurs, but many have learned professional standards and do excellent science. An advantage to being hobby scientist is often they need not worry about grants and funding reviews, they can explore wherever their curiosity leads. <br /><br />Innumerable people have attempted to apply the scientific process to explore the more esoteric ideas that float around. Ghosts, spirits, various mental abilities, etc, etc, etc... These have regularly resulted in negative findings as soon as any objective criteria are applied to the test. It is a valid question as to whether any of it actually exists.<br /><br />There is a standng million dollar prize, the money in escrow, to anyone who can prove a paranormal ability or phenomena. The prize has gone unclaimed for many years now.Andrew Cooperhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16404795276468632488noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-79225491072397946902012-03-22T10:10:36.469-10:002012-03-22T10:10:36.469-10:00This comment has been removed by the author.Andrew Cooperhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16404795276468632488noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-73415478131920504652012-03-21T09:31:36.290-10:002012-03-21T09:31:36.290-10:00oh, David Bissell is not in control. He is not usi...oh, David Bissell is not in control. He is not using anyone. He is just an officer in a military mind set. KIUC needs a civilian mind set in my opinion. :)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-70430464750838087442012-03-20T22:03:33.079-10:002012-03-20T22:03:33.079-10:00Joan, hope you don't mind, but I'd like to...Joan, hope you don't mind, but I'd like to plug Ian Lind's blog. He posts about some bills going through the legislature that sound horrible.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-67867173587595570582012-03-20T19:07:06.645-10:002012-03-20T19:07:06.645-10:00Anyone interested in a class action lawsuit agains...Anyone interested in a class action lawsuit against KIUC? Contact Al CastilloAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-39185922539818098702012-03-20T12:12:42.146-10:002012-03-20T12:12:42.146-10:00Not only are plants intelligent.....some think the...Not only are plants intelligent.....some think they are more intelligent than humans. And there are even some who think trees and plants are better at practicing unconditional love than most humans. What a blessing whenever I am able to wet my plants!!!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-49979277821168493912012-03-20T10:11:03.740-10:002012-03-20T10:11:03.740-10:00Gosh, are they related to the Mayor?Gosh, are they related to the Mayor?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-81831892378801407002012-03-20T09:58:16.772-10:002012-03-20T09:58:16.772-10:00If plants have self-awareness then forcing a gene ...If plants have self-awareness then forcing a gene into them is the equivalent of rape.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-16614754840023535802012-03-20T09:20:48.846-10:002012-03-20T09:20:48.846-10:00Like I said, KIUC insiders DO NOT LISTEN, they wil...Like I said, KIUC insiders DO NOT LISTEN, they will STOP AT NOTHING to TRY TO get their way. They have repeatedly shown that the only times they listen to their members are when THEY ARE FORCED TO.Mauibradhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16759237357642699345noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-4062202893735730242012-03-20T09:19:55.320-10:002012-03-20T09:19:55.320-10:00This comment has been removed by the author.Mauibradhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16759237357642699345noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-37474932199936605682012-03-20T09:12:07.659-10:002012-03-20T09:12:07.659-10:00Joan: I will go one better than you and DEMAND tha...Joan: I will go one better than you and DEMAND that everyone read Michael Pollan! All of his books! Especially "The Botany of Desire."<br />Let's use some of that "intelligence" to educate ourselves. Shall we?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-1111965686493809162012-03-20T08:52:36.462-10:002012-03-20T08:52:36.462-10:00I have so much gratitude for Adam. He follows thro...I have so much gratitude for Adam. He follows through and does the hard work.<br />And what he is doing is hard work...unpaid hard work.<br /><br />I am especially grateful that he is able to speak for so many people regarding their health and their privacy security of which they donʻt even know whatʻs being perpetrated against them. <br /><br />It is not easy to go up against someone like Bissel who has his strings being pulled by individuals from far away.<br /><br />Not even the other board members realize they are being used by this person, who probably has some big fat deposits for dirty deeds in banks outside the U.S.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com