tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post3788748762076316874..comments2023-10-17T04:51:08.765-10:00Comments on KauaiEclectic: Musings: Storm BrewingJoan Conrowhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00172330100788007499noreply@blogger.comBlogger24125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-27512067688995242322009-08-12T08:04:28.363-10:002009-08-12T08:04:28.363-10:00No joke. The tourist bureau doesn't want you t...No joke. The tourist bureau doesn't want you to know. Be afraid.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-62423637792274124572009-08-12T04:59:16.366-10:002009-08-12T04:59:16.366-10:00"You should be paranoid. I'd be that thos..."You should be paranoid. I'd be that those vacation rental owners don't warn you about the other dangers on Kauai, like the serial killers and the child kidnappers/pornographers."<br /><br />??? Is this supposed to be a joke?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-10910340888231257982009-08-11T17:03:06.436-10:002009-08-11T17:03:06.436-10:00You should be paranoid. I'd be that those vaca...You should be paranoid. I'd be that those vacation rental owners don't warn you about the other dangers on Kauai, like the serial killers and the child kidnappers/pornographers.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-50288701134474309762009-08-11T16:29:02.013-10:002009-08-11T16:29:02.013-10:00The poor tourists on Kauai also have little inform...The poor tourists on Kauai also have little information with which to arm themselves.<br />I recently stayed in a vacation rental on the North Shore and I noticed right away that it was wide open to the ocean and only very slightly elevated. I had looked online before we arrived for maps of the evacuation routes for that area but couldn't find any, nor were there any of the blue evacuation route signs visible in the area. I looked around and pretty much decided we were screwed if a big storm hit as high ground would have been difficult to get to. I'm not paranoid, but I travel with my two kids and have respect for the awesome power of Mother Nature.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-22561297460957296762009-08-11T13:56:58.747-10:002009-08-11T13:56:58.747-10:00i understand your comment August 11, 2009 5:39 AM
...i understand your comment August 11, 2009 5:39 AM<br /><br />as to "No disaster plans for this tsunami and disaster prone area"<br /><br />-- oh, i am pretty sure they do have a plan. the HQ for this is actually in the building where kpd is. they have a pretty impressive command and communications system in there<br /><br />otherwise, i dont know if vacation rentals have the duties at law towards the renters you describe in those examples<br /><br />tho i guess if you can show the kauai never should have OK'd a given structure / home...and later that home / structure per a storm hurt you or your property....mmmm, ya maybe you could find some liability with the planning or building dept, maybe<br /><br />just my thoughts on it<br /><br /><br />as to "County planners suck"<br /><br />-- they are appointed and take orders from those elected by the public. it is a reflection of the electorate <br /><br /><br />dwpsAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-86238251660179538632009-08-11T05:45:30.242-10:002009-08-11T05:45:30.242-10:00Greed rulesGreed rulesAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-19550223358123366982009-08-11T05:45:08.377-10:002009-08-11T05:45:08.377-10:00Perhaps in the ongoing debate about Vacation Renta...Perhaps in the ongoing debate about Vacation Rentals people have lost site of the fact that the Council finally did STOP any new Vacation Rentals outside of the VDA during its last term.<br />Yeah, and they made the whole north shore a resort while doing so. County planners suckAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-8914090417684787962009-08-11T05:40:38.960-10:002009-08-11T05:40:38.960-10:00You are wrong the county opinion was that state la...You are wrong the county opinion was that state law prohiits TVR's in Ag land, that's why it was not included in the original billAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-72337154912755888432009-08-11T05:39:33.190-10:002009-08-11T05:39:33.190-10:00-- feel free to share what theory of liability peo...-- feel free to share what theory of liability people would use, or offer some examples of foreseeable disaster-related harms resulting from some county act or omission. some neglected levies perhaps?<br /><br />No disaster plans for this tsunami and disaster prone area. never was this area supposed to be for hotel or transient use due to its natural coastal hazards. the folks who live there know the risks, but the tourists do not know, nor do they know where to go, or how to get there. The hotels have shelters, food, generators, the vacation rentals, oh they got owners on the mainland, realtors who represent too many commercial properties to do anything.<br />Where's the evacuation plan for those visitors staying along the coast on the Northshore? How aout the riverfront ones, they should have fun this week? Residents know when the Wainiha River is getting dangerous, have experience with how quick it rises and how dangerous it can quickly become, while the vacation renter is being told to float down the Wainiha river. Where is the sheltor they go to? How do they get there? let's see, along the coastal road, nice.No evacuation plan=lots of you fill in the blank.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-63282051966009270632009-08-11T05:16:24.011-10:002009-08-11T05:16:24.011-10:00"The new TVR law was either written out of ha..."The new TVR law was either written out of hatred for tourists or love for the hotel industry - not sure which - but to claim that is about protecting Ag uses is a lie"<br /><br />Exactly. The totality of the council's actions are like a complicated set of simultaneous equations, with the winners again being the ultra-rich: mega-house landowners, hotels and realtors.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-64392343920588302862009-08-10T16:20:01.964-10:002009-08-10T16:20:01.964-10:00Nice try dwps.
But no matter how many times you e...Nice try dwps. <br />But no matter how many times you explain it, they just don't get the funding process. Especially Glen. <br />Same comments for six years.<br />Ouch!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-41253500776950686692009-08-10T16:14:15.284-10:002009-08-10T16:14:15.284-10:00Who cares if prohibiting TVRs on ag land is pro or...Who cares if prohibiting TVRs on ag land is pro or anti hotel? It amounts to "spot zoning" and is part of a trend of turning the entire island into a tourist trap.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-75765836564592091582009-08-10T15:51:54.057-10:002009-08-10T15:51:54.057-10:00"county liability will soar after the next di..."county liability will soar after the next disaster"<br /><br />-- feel free to share what theory of liability people would use, or offer some examples of foreseeable disaster-related harms resulting from some county act or omission. some neglected levies perhaps?<br /><br /><br />"which avoids the core truth of Joan's point, that details of government organizational charts or, the overarching priorities are bullshit."<br /><br />-- rephrase / elaborate pls. not sure i am following. my point is many people dont understand funding is often not available for X, but is for Y. some people in the public see Y, and figure it was chosen over X. and of course the funding channels and systems are designed with some degree of rational to fit as many situations as possible...and ya, it may not result in every single county having available to it a set of state and federal funding opportunities which fit the exact needs of a county at just the right time<br /><br /><br />dwpsAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-19185098222769904922009-08-10T15:32:22.120-10:002009-08-10T15:32:22.120-10:00But the general plan (the one embraced by the char...But the general plan (the one embraced by the charter amendment last year) says that TVRs in non-VDA are good things and it instructs the County to "regulate" them. The real problem is that the County has acted schizophrenic. The County Attorney published a legal opinion that says that TVRs are legal on AG land. Another County Attorney said the same thing a few years later. <br /><br />So the general plan embraces TVRs. The State taxes them like lawful businesses. County attorneys say they are legal. Then suddenly the Council declares that all TVRs have been illegal on AG land all along and they must all stop operations immediately. <br /><br />The Council should be applauded for drawing a line and stopping new TVRs, but taking away past TVR uses after repeatedly telling homeowners that they are perfectly legal is like a parent telling her child to go ahead and have the cookie - and then severely punishing the child for having a cookie. <br /><br />Why is it that a TVR on Ag land cannot be considered a legal use, but a long term rentals on Ag land supposedly are legal? Don't they both involve commercial profit based on a non-Ag use? <br />The new TVR law was either written out of hatred for tourists or love for the hotel industry - not sure which - but to claim that is about protecting Ag uses is a lie.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-39242797962369723142009-08-10T15:20:38.846-10:002009-08-10T15:20:38.846-10:00"-- standard comments from persons not unders...<i>"-- standard comments from persons not understanding how different state and/or federal funds are specifically earmarked for certain projects. it is not all one big pot of money, with people/gov pulling funds out to pay for a path over monies to, say, feed the hungry or build affordable homes"</i><br /><br />-- which avoids the core truth of Joan's point, that details of government organizational charts or no, the overarching priorities are bullshit.Dawsonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-22334872684374681162009-08-10T15:19:57.799-10:002009-08-10T15:19:57.799-10:00"-- standard comments from persons not unders...<i>"-- standard comments from persons not understanding how different state and/or federal funds are specifically earmarked for certain projects. it is not all one big pot of money, with people/gov pulling funds out to pay for a path over monies to, say, feed the hungry or build affordable homes"</i><br /><br />-- which avoids the core truth of Joan's point, that details of government organizational charts or, the overarching priorities are bullshit.Dawsonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-69792066062908038542009-08-10T15:02:20.248-10:002009-08-10T15:02:20.248-10:00county liability will soar after the next disaster...county liability will soar after the next disaster.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-55797652677087567042009-08-10T13:00:56.955-10:002009-08-10T13:00:56.955-10:00"The council did stop any new vacation rental..."The council did stop any new vacation rentals outside the VDA."<br /><br />Yes, the council did finally put a stop to any new vacation rentals. Finally! But during the 10 year process, realtors actively solicited owners to illegally vacation rent and ruthlessly pushed ahead at alarming pace to get as many TVRs in place as possible - knowing full well we didn't want our neighborhoods completely turned into resorts. There should have been some kind of moratorium during all this....the communities really got shafted and are left with a bad taste in our mouths. All the while, neighborhoods are the ones left to take care of the visitors in case of an emergency! And we will help take care of them, but only after we take care of our own family and friends first! <br /><br />Vacation rentals outside the Visitor Destination Area! What a mess, and it's all because of greed.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-45558853421757841722009-08-10T12:34:26.710-10:002009-08-10T12:34:26.710-10:00"Perhaps in the ongoing debate about Vacation..."Perhaps in the ongoing debate about Vacation Rentals people have lost site of the fact that the Council finally did STOP any new Vacation Rentals outside of the VDA during its last term."<br /><br />Yes, but that hasn't stopped the planning dept from approving all the illegal ones outside the VDA in Hanalei, Haena, Wainiha, Kekaha....Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-35194890140493268932009-08-10T12:06:39.117-10:002009-08-10T12:06:39.117-10:00Thanks for your foresight.Thanks for your foresight.Sandhyanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-72650062811990323522009-08-10T12:05:44.743-10:002009-08-10T12:05:44.743-10:00"But the county keeps on approving these unit..."But the county keeps on approving these units,"<br /><br />Perhaps in the ongoing debate about Vacation Rentals people have lost site of the fact that the Council finally did STOP any new Vacation Rentals outside of the VDA during its last term.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-85510423769042308492009-08-10T11:49:25.791-10:002009-08-10T11:49:25.791-10:00"-- standard comments from persons not unders..."-- standard comments from persons not understanding how different state and/or federal funds are specifically earmarked for certain projects."<br /><br />Like marking drug funds for merry-wanna eradication, that cannot be used for meth interdiction? I think people understand earmarks just not the rational for them.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-91604007177754875342009-08-10T11:33:49.604-10:002009-08-10T11:33:49.604-10:00"the burden for their care and feeding will f..."the burden for their care and feeding will fall on the residents."<br /><br />-- i guess the tourists can take some comfort that after iniki the military was pretty good about lending a hand? seems they were pretty quick with trucks, field supplies and troops last time around<br /><br /><br />"wondering why we’re spending millions on a bike path when we don’t even have an alternate route to evacuate the tens of thousands of people living and vacationing along the coast"<br /><br />-- standard comments from persons not understanding how different state and/or federal funds are specifically earmarked for certain projects. it is not all one big pot of money, with people/gov pulling funds out to pay for a path over monies to, say, feed the hungry or build affordable homes<br /><br /><br />dwpsAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-72596076109889306792009-08-10T09:56:33.191-10:002009-08-10T09:56:33.191-10:00Joan,
When you say bike path are you referring to ...Joan,<br />When you say bike path are you referring to the multi-use path? <br /><br />Calling it a "bike path" limits people from pushing for low speed transportation corridors which could be used by a variety of low speed devices ranging from skateboards to small electric wheelchairs, bikes, and scooters.<br /><br />Glen Mickins does have a point when he says the money is for transportation to get people around the island, not a short sighted scenic shoreline lolly-gag for the leisure class. Besides the whole island is beautiful so lets have a useful multi-use path people can integrate into their daily transportation needs as the highways turn into bumper to bumper car lots full of slow moving, petro burning, crawlers.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com