tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post4276349823187660223..comments2023-10-17T04:51:08.765-10:00Comments on KauaiEclectic: Musings: Aloha PowerJoan Conrowhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00172330100788007499noreply@blogger.comBlogger37125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-42502503689821139682008-06-29T15:39:00.000-10:002008-06-29T15:39:00.000-10:00Now why would I ever want to talk with an idiot li...Now why would I ever want to talk with an idiot like you, Kekane Pa, when you can't seem to but together and argument here to dispute what I said....to dispute the facts.<BR/><BR/>Pa is typical of many of these activists who have no basis of logic, but would rather posture and huff & puff when they're out-classed. All he can do is attempt to intimidate and repeat uncomprehended rhetoric he's heard, and is unable to put together even a kindergarten-level argument. Should have stayed in school, bro! You might have made something of yourself if you had. Your enemy is within. Look in a mirror, bud!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-9414190389300286572008-06-25T21:13:00.000-10:002008-06-25T21:13:00.000-10:00This is Kane Pa who is the Kanaka Bone Protector. ...This is Kane Pa who is the Kanaka Bone Protector. I say bring it on - give me a call. Prove to me youʻre not the criminal because we are the evidence not the crime. So you talked the talk now walk the walk. My number is 645-1838. I have nothing to hide do you?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-26426115675784845512008-06-24T13:16:00.000-10:002008-06-24T13:16:00.000-10:00“SELF DETERMINATION means the Kanakas do it themse...“SELF DETERMINATION means the Kanakas do it themselves”<BR/><BR/>And they’re doing it so well aren’t they? It’s been a long time and still all we have is a bunch of Prime Minister wannabes arguing with each other without a clear vision or consensus of what they want. You can't have any semblance of sovereignty until you have unity and that isn’t going to happen anytime soon no matter how many t-shirts you sell.<BR/><BR/>“They need our money in the Hawaii Treasury, they need the land as a military strategic point, and they need the lawlessness….”<BR/><BR/>That's your creative definition of “lawlessness”. And what money is that? Any money you have has been doled out to you by the State. You continue to suck on the teat of your enemies. How ignoble is that? Get a job and make something of yourself, and quit whining about a past that happened long before you were born. <BR/><BR/>“We are already Sovereign. And we choose to do it peacefully….”<BR/><BR/>If your thinking was right, then THE LAW would require us give back these lands to the Marquesans and to try all of you Tahitians for genocide. Looks like some sort of karma to me. <BR/><BR/>So, how come you activists never acknowledge the FACT that the Marquesans had an established culture here long before your Tahitian ancestors arrived and that they took the land from them? A convenient omission? Doesn’t fit in with your concept of right & wrong does it? Or are you saying that you’re sovereignty was gained at the expense of the Marquesans here before you and that’s OK? Well, what’s good for the goose….!!! Hawaii’s Inconvenient Truth!<BR/><BR/>OK, I have the solution! The kanakas forget about their historical sovereignty and we'll forget about the genocide that was used to achieve it. Fair is fair! BTW - We wouldn't kill all you guys; you can live in peace as you have since we arrived. It would just mean that anything your ancestors gained by breaking Natural or International Law (whatever), as in GENOCIDE, renders it an illegal taking. Therefore, you have no historical right to these islands! Your ancestors stole them from the original and rightful settlers. If I'm wrong, please give me your logic so that I may be enlightened.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-28848247767806649982008-06-24T13:11:00.000-10:002008-06-24T13:11:00.000-10:00Bumper sticker recently seen in Bresca's car:GOT B...Bumper sticker recently seen in Bresca's car:<BR/><BR/>GOT BONES?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-59271185177279221702008-06-24T12:24:00.000-10:002008-06-24T12:24:00.000-10:00A "free meal" is what these kanak's are looking fo...A "free meal" is what these kanak's are looking for.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-11630899920796749102008-06-23T17:13:00.000-10:002008-06-23T17:13:00.000-10:00"We are already Sovereign"Well, enjoy what you fee..."We are already Sovereign"<BR/><BR/>Well, enjoy what you feel you already have because it isn't likely to get bigger in the next 100 years.<BR/><BR/>I do like the BBQ's though. I'll chant "hail to the king" for some of that grind. Means nothing to me but a free meal.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-46542510532502185902008-06-23T00:50:00.000-10:002008-06-23T00:50:00.000-10:00"I cant imagine any of the current crop of Hawaiia..."I cant imagine any of the current crop of Hawaiian Independence activists running anything bigger than the BBQ stand."<BR/><BR/>When these kinds of wise cracks are made then we know we're getting ahead so actually you've said something good for Kanaka Maoli. Mahalo!<BR/><BR/>All of this conversation is good but not necessary. We are already Sovereign. And we choose to do it peacefully, just like 100+ years ago. We know full well that the private corporation, the U.S. Military, will not want to let go of Hawaii. They need our money in the Hawaii Treasury, they need the land as a military strategic point, and they need the lawlessness so they can help people like Monsanto achieve their "dreams."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-35150227378953385372008-06-22T21:01:00.000-10:002008-06-22T21:01:00.000-10:00Katy said the issue isn't one of the majority but ...Katy said the issue isn't one of the majority but one of self-determination of an indiginous people. This implied, to me anyway, that she would support creating an independent Kingdom of Hawaii even though the majority may not want it and could be supportive of either the status quo or the Akaka bill. <BR/><BR/>I don't see the sense in that. If the majority of the indiginous people didn't want a Kingdom, and this could be proven beyond doubt, then that should end the issue.<BR/><BR/>Beyond that, I don't think any "international law" victory will mean a hill of beans to what actually happens. A moral victory, but nothing will change.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-69468053472873320292008-06-22T19:34:00.000-10:002008-06-22T19:34:00.000-10:00The gadfly said: But if it can be evenautlly ...The gadfly said: <BR/> But if it can be evenautlly proven that the majority of Hawaiians do not want self-determination, do you support an effort to force it upon them?<BR/><BR/> Possibly their first use of self-determination would be to cling to the USA.<BR/><BR/>Did you think before you typed, gadfly? Isnʻt ʻself-determinationʻ and the concept of forcing this on one an oxymoron? And isnʻt your last statement also an oxymoron? My, my what a bunch of little pecker brains. SELF DETERMINATION means the Kanakas do it themselves without U.S. interference for a change...meddle here, meddle there, meddle everywhere - in other nations affairs. Whatʻs a gadfly?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-73558588038289118882008-06-22T19:05:00.000-10:002008-06-22T19:05:00.000-10:00And, as you know, international law usually doesn'...And, as you know, international law usually doesn't apply to the USA if we don't want it to.<BR/><BR/>And no one can make us, either.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-39297318897410291742008-06-22T19:04:00.000-10:002008-06-22T19:04:00.000-10:00But if it can be evenautlly proven that the majori...But if it can be evenautlly proven that the majority of Hawaiians do not want self-determination, do you support an effort to force it upon them?<BR/><BR/>Possibly their first use of self-determination would be to cling to the USA.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-25919710232015303792008-06-22T15:00:00.000-10:002008-06-22T15:00:00.000-10:00Well, dog gone, Elmer! Whereʻn the tarnation were ...Well, dog gone, Elmer! Whereʻn the tarnation were all these fine debaters of world policies and "THE SETTLER ALLIES of the COUNTER CONKLINESQUE" on june 14 when they had one of them there big ol conventions for the Hawaiians. I was there, reckon I dint see hide nor hair of any of you.<BR/><BR/>Mr. Parx, that was the only response that couldda git the attention of a governor thatʻs crookeder than a dogʻs hind leg. And thatʻs why they aint been back.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-32099380810197337922008-06-22T12:04:00.000-10:002008-06-22T12:04:00.000-10:00It's not a question of "majority" opinion, either....It's not a question of "majority" opinion, either. It's a matter, well-reflected in international law, of self-determination for indigenous peoples.Katyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09145011324294730195noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-76960679788130941892008-06-22T09:39:00.000-10:002008-06-22T09:39:00.000-10:00And it's my opinion, as well as that of many other...And it's my opinion, as well as that of many others more informed than myself, that the majority of Hawaiians are determined to remain in the good ole' USA.<BR/><BR/>The loud and proud minority make themselves appear to reflect a majority opinion, but I don't think so.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-67325780548606983802008-06-22T08:00:00.000-10:002008-06-22T08:00:00.000-10:00It's a matter of self-determination.It's a matter of self-determination.Katyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09145011324294730195noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-28759944448655026912008-06-22T01:08:00.000-10:002008-06-22T01:08:00.000-10:00Add to that, that they would look at the people wh...Add to that, that they would look at the people who are now trying to set up these reinstated governments and say, "Ahhhh...Good job guys, but no thanks. We'll pick someone else." The Hawaiians have been working on this for decades and still seem no closer to finding and agreeing on a credible candidate to lead them.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-36601421909269788522008-06-22T00:53:00.000-10:002008-06-22T00:53:00.000-10:00Katy:We have a role as settler-allies to do effect...Katy:<B>We have a role as settler-allies to do effective counter-recruitment to the Conklinesque perspective</B><BR/><BR/>You got a mouse in your pocket?<BR/><BR/>I cant imagine any of the current crop of Hawaiian Independence activists running anything bigger than the BBQ stand.<BR/><BR/>I'd bet a poll of the population would have 75% voting to stay in the USA especially if they had a look at what other Pacific Island nations are like.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-20097472070827492072008-06-21T21:42:00.000-10:002008-06-21T21:42:00.000-10:00So there is a bright side to global warming.So there is a bright side to global warming.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-19518829750433007002008-06-21T21:32:00.000-10:002008-06-21T21:32:00.000-10:00Gee Larry I guess everyone will just sit and watch...Gee Larry I guess everyone will just sit and watch the water rise; like the Dutch.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-14877766748454936322008-06-21T17:58:00.000-10:002008-06-21T17:58:00.000-10:00I too have wondered how sovereignty could be resto...I too have wondered how sovereignty could be restored in Hawaii. I needn't recount the obstacles here or calculate the odds. But I think it will happen, if not in my lifetime.<BR/><BR/>I was daydreaming one day (I do my best work that way) and wondered if it would be like the abandonment of the US military bases in the Philippines. A volcano exploded and suddenly the bases weren't so useful anymore. So I thought that as the water rises in Hawaii ... <BR/><BR/>Waikiki is supposed to be under water in a couple of decades. The tourism industry won't be sustainable, perhaps, if everyone has to get about in solar powered gondolas.<BR/><BR/>Water will flow inland on Oahu and fill, for example, Manoa Valley, converting it to a lake and submerging the expensive homes. Military bases will be washed over and useless to the military. Perhaps they'll leave then. The transit system, if there is one, will rust and crumble as the rails are lapped by salt water.<BR/><BR/>So maybe when the place becomes useless to Mainland corporations, they'll also leave, and toss the keys back to the original inhabitants as they look for higher ground elsewhere on which to build.<BR/><BR/>The racist attorneys will have long expired, as will I, and I don't expect to meet them where they are going to be.Larryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06742098296808508617noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-45550133997362097782008-06-21T12:01:00.000-10:002008-06-21T12:01:00.000-10:00Anon 10:34Perhaps the Kanaka Maoli population does...Anon 10:34<BR/><BR/>Perhaps the Kanaka Maoli population does not have critical mass, but that just points to the role of allies as a necessary component.<BR/><BR/>Allies can do more than the obvious stuff like show up at important events. We can also organize within the settler community, and hopefully garner more settler-allies in the process.<BR/><BR/>Right now there are aggressive anti-sovereignty forces within the settler population: Conkiln and his Grassroot organization come first to mind.<BR/><BR/>We have a role as settler-allies to do effective counter-recruitment to the Conklinesque perspective.Katyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09145011324294730195noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-18620448070848023642008-06-21T10:38:00.000-10:002008-06-21T10:38:00.000-10:00You're right K-K-K-Katy. I was just K-K-K-Kidding....You're right K-K-K-Katy. I was just K-K-K-Kidding.Andy Parxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15398587036690312685noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-34385516705042639022008-06-21T10:34:00.000-10:002008-06-21T10:34:00.000-10:00Hard to fathom how 10% of the population believes ...Hard to fathom how 10% of the population believes they can change the overall government structure. The toothpaste isn't going back into this tube unless the USA decides Hawaii is too big a money drain and just walks away. <BR/><BR/>Is there any real belief that 90% of the population here will just meekly hand over control to a rag tag collection of activists that have to fund themselves by selling BBQ on the side of the road?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-13424362599922789512008-06-20T21:22:00.000-10:002008-06-20T21:22:00.000-10:00Oh you know how many, brother.Oh you know how many, brother.Katyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09145011324294730195noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-23701702032561731022008-06-20T19:54:00.000-10:002008-06-20T19:54:00.000-10:00I just want to know how many K's to use, FrazI just want to know how many K's to use, FrazAndy Parxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15398587036690312685noreply@blogger.com