tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post4518679519495305166..comments2023-10-17T04:51:08.765-10:00Comments on KauaiEclectic: Musings: So Much Hot AirJoan Conrowhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00172330100788007499noreply@blogger.comBlogger66125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-78803745531805775882017-02-21T16:23:15.158-10:002017-02-21T16:23:15.158-10:00FYI, Joan, many members of Hawaii state and Kauai ...FYI, Joan, many members of Hawaii state and Kauai County Farm Bureaus are not farmers. HFUU is member run...not Board run. HFB certainly does its part to dictate policy without polling its members. They regularly lobby the state leg. There is one annual meeting by KCFB where members are asked to vote for officers on a SLATE, not as individuals on their merits, without the privacy of a closed ballot. At 2016 KCFB meeting there was no treasurer's report. No transparency. HFUU meets monthly with wide range of educational topics. All members can participate.<br />BTW, those are beef cattle in your NZ photos. While beef cattle have long grazed Mahaulepu, never No WAY at the density HDF proposes. There is more dense-ness than just the density of their stocking rate in HDF proposal. Grass-fed??? What a sham and a shame.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-90894928239436705102017-02-21T10:14:23.048-10:002017-02-21T10:14:23.048-10:00@3:39 WRT @3:11
If the comment was suppose to be s...@3:39 WRT @3:11<br />If the comment was suppose to be satire I'm missing it.<br /><br />It still reads to me as a rant I've heard from many who really despise teachers. I've re-read it several times. Yes, it is over the top, but I get many emails from groups that sound just like this and they definitely mean what they write about. The only difference between those emails and the @3:11 "satire" is that there are no Font Changes, or All- Caps phrases or changes in color or having been forwarded as many as 10 times without any other comment.<br /><br />John Kauaihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16709115908711629306noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-6713280524422176242017-02-21T08:16:48.945-10:002017-02-21T08:16:48.945-10:00Thanks for your comment, Ray, and for clarifying t...Thanks for your comment, Ray, and for clarifying that Eden Peart is not even a member, even though she was speaking for your group.<br /><br />However, I would like to point out that even though you say HFUU "developed its policy using NFU national policy" and is "primarily interested in organic field techniques," that is not the policy of the national organization.<br /><br />Additionally, cattle were being successfully pastured at the dairy site before the dairy took over the land.<br /><br />What's more, even though you were appointed to the Kauai Agricultural Advisory Committee, a standing county committee, you have yet to attend a meeting, having missed the last three. I would think that if you're truly committed to supporting family farmers, you'd at least show face.<br /><br />The bottom line is that the great majority of HFUU's members are not farmers at all, even as they try to dictate ag policy, and therein lies some of the antagonism toward your group.Joan Conrowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00172330100788007499noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-79356468681809809362017-02-21T07:40:54.432-10:002017-02-21T07:40:54.432-10:00I wanted to add a few points for clarification .
...I wanted to add a few points for clarification .<br />Eden Peart does not speak for HFUU, and according to our records, is not even a member of our organization.<br />The mission of HFUU is to support the family farmer in Hawaii,primarily focussing on markets, water, housing , new crop development,and education for beginning and working farmers in the state. These topics are where we have devoted our efforts and resources. No one issue defines HFUU,and although most of our members do oppose GE technology and pesticide farming, members engage in those efforts to oppose GE through their membership in other organizations. We are a solutions oriented group, not "antis".HFUU is a state chapter of the NFU, and has developed its policy using NFU national policy and adapting Hawaii state policy to reflect the interests of our members. We are primarily a group of farmers and affiliates interested in organic field production techniques, and the field concerns of the family farmer.<br />Speaking for our organization, I can say that we are not opposed to the Kauai dairy in concept. Concerns that we have are the ecological sensitivity of the site itself, and HDF's waste management plans for the dairy. FOMs concerns are compelling and obviously the DOH and the courts agree that more information is needed. The dairy would probably be better sited in an upland area where cows are already being run successfully.<br />HFUU remains committed to collegial relationships with other Hawaii farmers, and is working hard to refine organic field techniques that can be used by other commercial farming systems as well. Aloha and Kauai "style" is how we prefer to engage with other producers and ag advocates.<br />Ray Maki - President Kauai Chapter HFUU <br />Ray Makinoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-26526192200293161122017-02-20T16:48:57.060-10:002017-02-20T16:48:57.060-10:00Looks like the county is trying to create more use...Looks like the county is trying to create more useless jobs for under qualified family members. When an auditor exposed criminal activity and corruption, they went after him and fired him. What a joke this county has become. Nothing more than sandbox kids trying to run the playground like they back in elementary school. Fools!<br /><br />Council may establish investigation commiteee<br /><br />Jenna Carpenter - The Garden Island Posted: 16 hours ago<br /><br />LIHUE — The County of Kauai will discuss a resolution that will allow the County Council to establish an investigating committee when it meets…Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-71430479032321247992017-02-20T15:39:37.899-10:002017-02-20T15:39:37.899-10:00I don't think you read all of 3:11 comment Joh...I don't think you read all of 3:11 comment John Kauai. It's not against teachers, it's pro teacher and a spoof on those complaining about their payAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-40489408523040503732017-02-20T14:00:10.809-10:002017-02-20T14:00:10.809-10:00Being alive is ultimately hazardous to one's h...Being alive is ultimately hazardous to one's health. <br /><br />The religious conviction that something is bad or good and that the objections (or promotions) of the "other side" are either evil or at best "just stupid" is, for want of a better way of saying it, "just stupid".<br /><br />@11:52 nailed it.<br /><br />@3:11 rant against teachers excellently illustrates the situation. The selective use of facts; the total misrepresentation of the nature of the job; and finally the absolutely false claim that anyone can do it, illustrates an ignorant, angry man on a mission at best or at worse a "Betsy DeVos" scam artist that is selling snake oil to enrich himself and his co-conspirators. Probably a Republican voter, if he bothers to vote at all. John Kauaihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16709115908711629306noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-75504267915143512017-02-20T13:56:18.702-10:002017-02-20T13:56:18.702-10:002/20 @ 1:27 PM, you are leaving out a whole lot of...2/20 @ 1:27 PM, you are leaving out a whole lot of information with your statement. For starters, please give us a complete background on the IARC.<br /><br />1:25 PM do you have a citation that supports your contention?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-27202391496539576152017-02-20T13:27:58.720-10:002017-02-20T13:27:58.720-10:001:01 you are denying the truth to fit your dogma.
...1:01 you are denying the truth to fit your dogma.<br /><br />The International Agency for Research on Cancer (IARC) has classified processed meat as a carcinogen, something that causes cancer. And it has classified red meat as a probable carcinogen, something that probably causes cancer. IARC is the cancer agency of the World Health Organization.<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-37427844032173562302017-02-20T13:25:42.350-10:002017-02-20T13:25:42.350-10:00oh there is @1:01 you just don't want to belie...oh there is @1:01 you just don't want to believe itAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-64810191570481474552017-02-20T13:01:11.322-10:002017-02-20T13:01:11.322-10:00You are misinformed, 11:52. The "GMO crowd&qu...You are misinformed, 11:52. The "GMO crowd" has not taken a stance that milk and meat are good for people. There is no scientific consensus that consuming either is inherently bad for people, aside from those who are lactose intolerant. Humans evolved consuming animal meat and milk. It all depends on quantity and quality.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-67934675892723857062017-02-20T12:27:24.544-10:002017-02-20T12:27:24.544-10:00Good work Joan but I still don't understand wh...Good work Joan but I still don't understand why no one has pressured mr Omidar to construct a dairy processing plant if in fact this milk is for Kauainei. Truth be told Chinese will pay the most for it. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-49618452837292017852017-02-20T12:01:59.290-10:002017-02-20T12:01:59.290-10:002/20 @ 9:02 AM, this is 8:21 AM, calm down. Dr. C...2/20 @ 9:02 AM, this is 8:21 AM, calm down. Dr. Campbell is a respected scientist, and nothing I wrote should suggest otherwise. So don't put words in my mouth.<br /><br />That doesn't change the fact that The China Study has a number of problems, and there is a good body of work that points to flaws in some of his assertions. So, have you read any of those analyses that are critical of The China Study?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-38182755814060198152017-02-20T11:52:25.338-10:002017-02-20T11:52:25.338-10:00Yeah fact denying runs high on both sides.
The G...Yeah fact denying runs high on both sides. <br />The GMO crowd would have you believe that meat and milk are good for you. Science clearly shows the contrary. <br />The antis are also loath to modify their view to incorporate the truth. <br />So the two sides call each other liars all day in a circle jerk of non-progress.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-37169240656575291432017-02-20T09:02:21.497-10:002017-02-20T09:02:21.497-10:00So your suggesting that the American Institute for...So your suggesting that the American Institute for Cancer Research took the award the award they gave him away after they gave it to him? @8:21 . And yet he is still employed by Cornell University, the holy grail of this blog. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-47041911321355283352017-02-20T08:21:31.437-10:002017-02-20T08:21:31.437-10:002/20 @ 7:34 AM, less than 10 minutes on Google yie...2/20 @ 7:34 AM, less than 10 minutes on Google yielded many excellent analyses of the flaws inherent in The China Study, including from the American Institute for Cancer Research as well as from distinguished nutritionists. Suggest you keep on researching.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-1838249248737636122017-02-20T07:34:24.846-10:002017-02-20T07:34:24.846-10:00Bradley, "Not so, says Dr. T. Colin Campbell ...Bradley, "Not so, says Dr. T. Colin Campbell Ph.D, Professor Emeritus of Nutritional Biochemistry at Cornell University who has authored more than 350 research papers. He is also Winner of the 1998 American Institute of Cancer Research Award, the 2004 Burton Kallman Scientific Award by the Natural Nutrition Food Association.<br />In "The China Study," (Benbella Books, 2005), he presents the findings of a 45 year study and a 20-year partnership of Cornell University, Oxford University and the Chinese Academy of Preventive Medicine. And what is startling about the conclusions of his study is that cow’s milk (87% of which is made of the protein casein) actually encourages the growth of cancer cells in rats and humans. The China Study shows unequivocally that all meat is suspect: "nutrients from animal-based foods increased tumor development" while "nutrients from plant-based foods decreased tumor development."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-12914918663660534512017-02-19T20:09:15.808-10:002017-02-19T20:09:15.808-10:00I had a bacon cheese omelet for breakfast. The c...I had a bacon cheese omelet for breakfast. The chicken and milk cow contributed. The pig was committed. <br /><br />Dehorned cows are not a GMO, but they eat GMO grains. <br /><br />The "scientific fact" that milk is bad for humans is propaganda discerned by vegans pushing their cause... There is credible sciences to substantiate the health benefits of milk to humans.. Not that @ 10:51 would believe evidence that echoes outside their echo chamber; which is why farmers continue the dialoged. <br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11553534513992452534noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-16028608118704200902017-02-19T18:26:07.287-10:002017-02-19T18:26:07.287-10:00You forgot that the county has doubled its employe...You forgot that the county has doubled its employee total from 700 to nearly 1500 since Baptiste and Carvalho has taken over and it's less efficient and home boy gift wrapped the hardy street cleaning crew hundreds of thousands like the princeville shuttle after spending millions on that mess. Do t forget that we pay over a million dollars in the red for a few golfers to enjoy their luxury leisure activity for almost nothing at $40 a month. The parks and recs like the county DOT is in shambles. They need to drug test those fuckers because many are convicted DUI/OVUII offenders. YES CONVICTS driving buses. It a fricking ZOO on Kauai but neva mine defend Hawaii <br /><br />It's insane to not be pissed off.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-39305361962660043282017-02-19T15:11:39.568-10:002017-02-19T15:11:39.568-10:00Are you sick of high paid teachers? Teachers’ heft... Are you sick of high paid teachers? Teachers’ hefty salaries are driving up taxes, and they only work 9 or 10 months a year! It’s time we put things in perspective and pay them for what they do - baby sit! We can get that for less than minimum wage.<br /><br />Teachers should only be paid less than minimum wage. They are nothing more than glorified babysitters. And we should pay them the same way. <br /><br />That’s right. Let’s give them $3.00 an hour and only the hours they worked; not any of that silly planning time, or any time they spend before or after school. That would be $19.50 a day (7:45 to 3:00 PM<br />with 45 min. off for lunch and plan — that equals 6 1/2 hours).<br /><br />Each parent should pay $19.50 a day for these teachers to baby-sit their children.<br /><br />Now how many do they teach in day…maybe 30? So that’s $19.50 x 30 = $585.00 a day. However, remember they only work 180 days a year!!! I am not going to pay them for any vacations.<br /><br />LET’S SEE…. That’s $585 X 180= $105,300 peryear. (Hold on! My calculator needs new batteries).<br /><br />What about those special education teachers and the ones with Master’s degrees? Well, we could pay them minimum wage ($7.75), and just to be fair, round it off to $8.00 an hour. That would be $8 X 6 1/2 hours X 30 children<br />X 180 days = $280,800 per year.<br /><br /><br />And it ain't teacher pay. <br /><br />The average teacher’s salary (nation wide) is $50,000. $50,000/180 days = $277.77/per day/30 students=$9.25/6.5 hours = $1.42 per hour per student–a very inexpensive baby-sitter and they even EDUCATE your<br />kids!)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-57971383773305689042017-02-19T14:52:34.483-10:002017-02-19T14:52:34.483-10:009:23 what crap, the county shutting down illegal o...9:23 what crap, the county shutting down illegal operations does not affect the amount of taxes. The visitor who didn't stay in your illegal rental stayed at a legal one who paid the taxes. There was no net loss.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-26310861719178052732017-02-19T14:12:12.382-10:002017-02-19T14:12:12.382-10:00If the Moloaa drinking aquifer is polluted, it was...If the Moloaa drinking aquifer is polluted, it was done between 90 and two hundred years ago. Because that is how old the water is, depending on which well.<br />Wailoi is not part of Grove Farm. <br />I like milk and ice cream. That is why dairies are needed. <br />Tokioka knows what he is doing. He is exchanging a courtesy to get a bill out of committee.It does not mean he will vote for it. It means the courtesy will be returned and a Bill Jimmy thinks is important to Kauai may get a fair vote and chance. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-42969933450621290292017-02-19T14:05:00.025-10:002017-02-19T14:05:00.025-10:00How could it imperil drinking water? The nearest d...How could it imperil drinking water? The nearest drinking well is more than a mile away and like the vast majority of our wells, takes from a aquifer rather deep, usually bypassing those near the surface. In the dairy's case, any shallow aquifer would be flowing away from the well anyway. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-47574306026423432182017-02-19T13:09:34.107-10:002017-02-19T13:09:34.107-10:00The stream of alternative facts that flow through ...The stream of alternative facts that flow through this blog is really something to behold!!<br />The Moloa'a well No. 1 for farmers in the Hui Lands is not polluted and is the source of a public drinking water supply that undergoes rigorous monthly, quarterly, and annual testing per Safe Drinking Water Act. The Moloa'a Dairy was shut down in the early 2000's because of threats of law suits by downstream landowner for violating the Clean Water Act. The Moloa'a dairy also did not feed pineapple chop because the pineapple industry on Kaua'i was pau long before that site was used for dairy. The heptachlor tainted milk was from cows on Oahu and that occurred back in the 80's.<br />Milk from the mainland cannot be sent to Hawai'i unrefrigerated. That would violate the Federal Pasteurized Milk Ordinance (PMO). Unrefrigerated milk when it arrived after a 5 day voyage would be separated into sour and spoiled whey and curd. No amount of pasteurization would bring it back. HDF will not succeed due to its stocking rate alone. No grass-fed system with that stocking rate on the soil and drainage found in Mahaulepu is going to make it. They will have to rely on imported feed for the protein source that dairy cows need. HDF will realize the same economic measure for failure that all its predecessor dairies had - it is cheaper to send finished milk to Hawaii than it is to send feed for the cows and then process the milk here. Just shipping empty gallon jugs to Hawai'i alone is a money loser. There is one dairy on the Big Island that is still in operation because it has sufficient land to grow its own feed and ample pasture as well. HDF might by some long-shot pull this off on Kaua'i, but not in Mahaulepu. There is plenty of land opening up on the west side that is cheap now that Corn is no longer King. <br />We need to ask ourselves why, oh why, did they choose this worst-case-scenario site to start with?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-79841850830788844992017-02-19T10:51:59.880-10:002017-02-19T10:51:59.880-10:00The bigger question to me is why are we advancing ...The bigger question to me is why are we advancing production of cows or milk at all?<br />Cow milk is bad for us - its scientific fact. The milk of antibiotic-fed cows is the equivalent of puss.<br />Cattle industry contributes to climate change.<br />We would not need to GMO de-horn the cow if we stopped eating them.<br />Pro Ag., but not pro cow industry here.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com