tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post5024887701341191008..comments2023-10-17T04:51:08.765-10:00Comments on KauaiEclectic: Musings: Grow UpJoan Conrowhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00172330100788007499noreply@blogger.comBlogger24125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-63993198962640528272010-10-19T20:54:03.954-10:002010-10-19T20:54:03.954-10:00I read the transcript from the July 22, 2009 Counc...I read the transcript from the July 22, 2009 Council meeting and something stood out:<br /><br />Mr. Chang: Thank you. Councilmember Kawahara, have you, since the election, meet one on one with the Chair and express your concerns<br />directly to the Chair?<br />Ms. Kawahara: To tell you the truth, I have a hard time getting us here when we are all here together at the same time, so I sent written communications, so Chair Asing, I was not able to speak with you face to face.<br /><br />In other words, she didn't speak to Kaipo for seven or eight months as of this meeting and probably still hasn't spoken to him since. Let's face it, she has some issues.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-88408390671907664182010-10-19T14:39:54.785-10:002010-10-19T14:39:54.785-10:00Joan said:"she has lost all opportunity to af...Joan said:"she has lost all opportunity to affect any kind of positive changes in the county in this regard."<br /><br />Really! Are you saying no opportunity is impossible if one is not inside government? Tell that to James Meredith, the first black admitted to the University of Mississippi. Meredith said his "job" wanted to force the US government to use violence if necessary to assure his rights. In 1962 his independent action became a flash-point in the civil rights movement. Almost every significant improvement is social justice came not from within government but up from the grassroots forcing government to act.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-48904242482785094872010-10-18T19:50:49.083-10:002010-10-18T19:50:49.083-10:00"There is no situation on earth that cannot b..."There is no situation on earth that cannot be made worse by the addition of a police officer."<br /><br />rodney king might disagree w/this statementAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-38807931601181809892010-10-18T09:21:17.944-10:002010-10-18T09:21:17.944-10:00Maybe best not to try to split the progressive com...Maybe best not to try to split the progressive community with petty animosities and personal grudges. We're fragile enough. Internecine squabbling is not helpful.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-87556993760536631592010-10-18T04:55:28.209-10:002010-10-18T04:55:28.209-10:00Four long trenches have been dug from Haleilio Rd ...Four long trenches have been dug from Haleilio Rd to the river. They were for water, sewer, and telecom. <br />No iwi were reported!<br /><br />At least one was monitored the entire length.<br /><br />Tells you that the iwi are mauka of the highway.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-26152225596300165122010-10-17T15:43:03.033-10:002010-10-17T15:43:03.033-10:00There was iwi under coco palms. How can you say no...There was iwi under coco palms. How can you say none under pathway only under road. How do you know that to be fact? Were there archaeological surveys done to determine that?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-25613624095615882542010-10-17T13:27:39.419-10:002010-10-17T13:27:39.419-10:00Yes, thanks Elli and some of the other Anons. I al...Yes, thanks Elli and some of the other Anons. I always appreciate thoughtful posts, especially those that add some information to the discussion.Joan Conrowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00172330100788007499noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-21484336237459707062010-10-17T13:26:17.146-10:002010-10-17T13:26:17.146-10:00I think I would have called the cops in Laniʻs sit...I think I would have called the cops in Laniʻs situation ...because if she didnʻt (not surprising) get any response from all she brought the matter to, then call the cops to get it on the record.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-11929182418365363932010-10-17T13:23:40.238-10:002010-10-17T13:23:40.238-10:00"Anonymous said...
Bynam 's gotta go..."Anonymous said...<br /><br /> Bynam 's gotta go...his desire for kauai to be one big fat happy resort with all our coastal lands concrete sucks.He says he is for the people, but his actions show he is for the people with money,like Michelle Hughes.<br /> he's a poser...poor poor Tim"<br /><br /> October 17, 2010 4:57 AM<br /><br />Agreed.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-21726628039817037652010-10-17T13:19:49.185-10:002010-10-17T13:19:49.185-10:00Well said, Elli Ward. There is a digesting period....Well said, Elli Ward. There is a digesting period.<br /><br />I think itʻs great timing with respect to Asing.<br /><br />Calling the cops for EVERY little thing is a haole trend. Iʻm sick of it already. Itʻs because they want the upper hand in something where they are usually at fault.Jacknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-74961714583357654742010-10-17T13:03:16.670-10:002010-10-17T13:03:16.670-10:00There are no iwi under the path.
If they are in th...There are no iwi under the path.<br />If they are in the area they are under Kuhio Hwy.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-83653833018617148782010-10-17T09:44:08.516-10:002010-10-17T09:44:08.516-10:00Yes I agree we don't need a concrete path alon...Yes I agree we don't need a concrete path along our coast. Keep it wild and natural. We don't need to replicate other places...Keep Kauai Kauai. Tim's support of the path over iwi and his tvr vote killed it for me.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-14082026835638030382010-10-17T04:57:43.110-10:002010-10-17T04:57:43.110-10:00Bynam 's gotta go...his desire for kauai to be...Bynam 's gotta go...his desire for kauai to be one big fat happy resort with all our coastal lands concrete sucks.He says he is for the people, but his actions show he is for the people with money,like Michelle Hughes.<br />he's a poser...poor poor TimAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-77781240375470251812010-10-16T22:23:14.840-10:002010-10-16T22:23:14.840-10:00Ms. Kawahara: There is a motion.
Mr. Bynum: There ...Ms. Kawahara: There is a motion.<br />Mr. Bynum: There is a motion. We are at discussion.<br />Chair Asing: Go ahead Councilmember Bynum.<br />Mr. Bynum: A couple of weeks ago, I voted not to go into<br />executive session and the Council Chair said, our attorney had advised us, and<br />what are we going to do, not follow the advice of our attorney. This is a separate<br />matter. I believe it is serious that is why I made the motion and I am going to<br />support us following the advice of our attorney and going into executive session.<br />Ms. Kawahara: I would like to state that this has nothing to do with<br />the presentation or the presentation that is going to be coming up. It is...<br />Mr. Kaneshiro: May I make a suggestion, then if it has nothing to<br />presentation, and then go into executive session after the presentation is made.<br />Chair Asing: Councilmember Furfaro?<br />Mr. Furfaro: I had said earlier that I did not want to go into<br />executive session, but I hear my colleagues across the table requesting such. I hear<br />the comments regarding the completion of a presentation by the Chair and I think<br />that also would be proper. I want to make sure that I am hearing that you do want<br />to do this.<br />Mr. Bynum: Yes, I do. I will speak for myself.<br />Mr. Furfaro: And may I ask if you would want to withdraw your<br />motion and your second, and let Mr. Asing make his presentation, I would support<br />you if you asked. If you don’t want to do that and we call for a vote, we are going to<br />need five (5) votes to go into executive session.<br />Mr. Bynum: I don’t believe we should wait. I think the County<br />Attorney has advised us... I will... I will listen to...<br />Ms. Kawahara: I can support waiting until after Chair Asing’s<br />presentation, however, this item is going to go on public record in executive session<br />and it will happen. This is precisely exactly what an executive session is for.., for<br />something to be placed on the public record in executive session, so I would support<br />the withdrawal.<br />Mr. Byrium: And then I will withdraw my motion.<br /><br />COUNCIL MEETING –page 58- July 22, 2009<br />Ms. Kawahara withdrew her motion to go into executive session. Mr. Bynum<br />withdrew his motion to go into executive session.<br /><br />Chair Asing: With that, I will now be make my presentation.<br />With that, I am going to turn the Chair over to Councilmember Vice Chair...<br />Councilmember Furfaro.<br /><br />AFTER ALL THAT A 3-3 VOTE AT THE END OF THE MEETING TO NOT GO INTO THE SESSION.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-70797139744515732302010-10-16T22:22:49.588-10:002010-10-16T22:22:49.588-10:00Anyone who reads the transcript of July 22.08 on t...Anyone who reads the transcript of July 22.08 on the County web site can see Lani's attempt to adress the issue with her co members. And then pressure to wait till the end of the meeting. Kawahara: And I am<br />not upset with any discussions that I have had with Mr. Castillo if you may notice that<br />I am upset, but we are going to go... I am requesting that there has been something<br />large enough that has happened that I would like Mr. Castillo to... and I would like<br />Mr. Castillo to come up. Thank you.<br />Mr. Castillo: Council Chair, Councilmembers. The subject<br />matter is an unanticipated matter and it does involve questions and issues<br />pertaining to the powers, duties, privileges, immunities, and liabilities of this body<br />under Chapter 92. I request that we go into executive session to discuss this matter<br />that falls under 92-5 subsection (4).<br />Mr. Bynum moved to go into executive session, seconded by Ms. Kawahara.<br />Chair Asing: There has been a motion to move into executive<br />session, there has been a second. I will not support going into executive session at<br />this particular time. I have not had an opportunity to make my presentation. I have<br />given the floor, the courtesy extended to both Councilmember Bynum and<br />Councilmember Kawahara, so I would like to finish up with my presentation. I<br />believe that it is fair and so I cannot move to go into executive session. I cannot<br />support going into executive session at this time.<br />Mr. Castillo: And Council Chair, I just wanted to say that means<br />that maybe at a later time today.<br />Chair Asing: Yes... well, maybe not even today.<br />Mr. Castillo: It is a totally... it might be a... it is a totally<br />unrelated to... not totally unrelated... it is unrelated to the presentation, but I will<br />just go take my seat.<br />Chair Asing: Thank you.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-64208618467136697212010-10-16T19:21:56.357-10:002010-10-16T19:21:56.357-10:00Kaipo's Gotta Go!
http://www.gokaipo.com/Kaipo's Gotta Go!<br />http://www.gokaipo.com/Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-79495813535610794672010-10-16T15:58:01.732-10:002010-10-16T15:58:01.732-10:00This whole thing happened after Lani kept claiming...This whole thing happened after Lani kept claiming Kaipo wouldn't put her items on the agenda and she finally admitted she hadn't even asked. Kaipo wasn't right but Lani wasn't a helpless victim.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-14344886633360157592010-10-16T14:50:30.866-10:002010-10-16T14:50:30.866-10:00No need to "dump" as you say (2nd anonym...No need to "dump" as you say (2nd anonymous) but to assert oneself confidently against poor treatment whenever it arises...to respect ones self enough to expect it from others and to deal with the perpetrator(s) one on one to resolve the problem.<br />Refuse being a victim. <br /><br />I disagree with her handling of the incident. I would've insisted on an apology from Kaipo and a promise never to do it again or she would take it to the authorities. By nipping it in the bud then could've resulted in respect albeit grudgingly.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-13375184235029783132010-10-16T13:11:54.939-10:002010-10-16T13:11:54.939-10:00According to the Garden Island, it happened during...According to the Garden Island, it happened during a recess at a County Council meeting. There must have been a lot of witnesses, including, according to the article, Derek Kawakami. What do they have to say about the incident? And bringing it up now? If she's saying it's not about trying to influence the election, who's lying now?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-65369334512148904822010-10-16T11:45:44.644-10:002010-10-16T11:45:44.644-10:00He should have apologized.
I understand making the...He should have apologized.<br />I understand making the gesture in anger, but he loses me being too stubborn to apologize and bringing in lawyers - not humble at all.<br /><br />Im glad you started with the big picture Joan. I say thank you to Lani and you both (and even the GI) for making it a discussion point. <br /><br />As a (former) working woman, I can't tell you how many times I went home feeling afraid or belittled after some sexist insult or angry outburst - and no I didn't report it. I needed to keep working. That show Mad Men reminds of Kauai.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-13532439894064289942010-10-16T11:36:23.570-10:002010-10-16T11:36:23.570-10:00Joan, you say "she should have tried to discu...Joan, you say "she should have tried to discuss with other council members" And she did try to discuss this with the other council members but was voted down 3 to 3 and denied going into executive session to discuss.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-79361051074018964642010-10-16T11:27:28.126-10:002010-10-16T11:27:28.126-10:00There is no situation on earth that cannot be made...There is no situation on earth that cannot be made worse by the addition of a police officer.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-35304499024075147862010-10-16T11:25:23.098-10:002010-10-16T11:25:23.098-10:00While I agree with you much of the time Joan, on t...While I agree with you much of the time Joan, on this one you get it wrong. Lani came into a new environment on the Council and approached it with respect and some caution - slowly and gradually entering into the council debate and discussion. She was dumped on constantly by most of the macho council guys for just stating her opinion. She chose not to dump back as she has no training nor practice in being a jerk (she must have missed that class in high school). Clearly she does her homework, clearly she believes in and fights for honest open government...and clearly the other good ole boys do not like her for doing that. The other guys don't like Tim either but maybe because he is a guy...they dumped on him a little bit less (not much less but a little bit) Kaipo seems to hate the fact that she is even there period and does not hide his disdain from the camera and the public. What is the appropriate response when someone in power and authority belittles you repeatedly, threatens you verbally "you stepped over the line" and then uses a "throat cutting gesture" at 1:30am in the morning after a very long and contentious day? Should she have said " F-You" and punched him as some have suggested? Should she have "looked the other way" and ignored his irrational, immature and off base behavior? No...she did the appropriate thing and reported him...and his bizarre behavior. The guy is old enough to be her grandfather and he is chair of the Council and he acts like this? I would be a little scared too, especially at 1:30am. The police did not say her claim that he acted in the manner described was unfounded...they seemed to say they did not believe it was at a level that constituted harassment. It seems that Lani chose not to pursue the claim because Kaipo did not continue with his behavior not because the original act did not happen. Kaipo is the bad actor here...not Lani. She did the mature and responsible thing and she has nothing to gain from this whole thing, only the good feeling of doing what is right and setting a positive example for other woman by confronting publicly an important and difficult issue.<br />anonymous1Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-7295752376252383042010-10-16T11:01:23.694-10:002010-10-16T11:01:23.694-10:00You covered quite a variety of issues so it's ...You covered quite a variety of issues so it's hard to respond in a coherent manner. First, let's separate the latest headliner: I believe Lani's (and Tim's) intent was to point out the glaring need for the county to institute education and training and to discipline (and fire, if needed) the perpetrators of a hostile work environment. I believe right now is the best time for the voters to be aware of the need for CHANGE in the highest level of our local government. I know you've watched the council proceedings and are aware of the many attempts to belittle and silence Lani. The other "gentlemen" on the council certainly have not stepped up to the plate to point out and correct these behaviors.<br />Let's not VICTIMIZE the victim and bring up all the many nuisance calls the police receives. Let's not link those up with what Lani has been through. Regarding the amount of time that has lapsed, let me tell you about trauma, the time that's needed for a victim to even articulate what happened, how she felt at the time, how much she continues to be plagued by the pain, fear, shame, you name it, a barrage of emotions that only a victim could know. And it does take time...Part of the trauma is the "feeling of disbelief" that such a thing happened, that that person committed such an act, that ANYONE would believe what I'm saying!<br />This is getting too long but I want to tell you that I read your blog, I respect your opinions, knowledge, perseverence on impt. island issues, and view you as a great model for women. Let us not fail the cause at this time, we women have to stand behind the very few who are brave enough to speak out for what is righteous and protects those who cannot.<br />Elli WardAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com