tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post5039702170495703633..comments2023-10-17T04:51:08.765-10:00Comments on KauaiEclectic: Musings: Wailua DirgeJoan Conrowhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00172330100788007499noreply@blogger.comBlogger31125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-9026217168308598302013-01-23T09:54:10.432-10:002013-01-23T09:54:10.432-10:00I agree the Western concepts differ, but are you t...I agree the Western concepts differ, but are you telling me that Ali'i were buried hidden on Wailua Beach? <br />The proper care during exhumation and reburial of any found remains should be adequate to satisfy cultural traditions.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-7936773690099436572013-01-22T17:15:16.664-10:002013-01-22T17:15:16.664-10:00Kanaka died en masse from epidemics, whole familie...Kanaka died en masse from epidemics, whole families and communities. The link to the past could've easily been cut. Regardless, Wailuanuiahoano is a well-documented site of great cultural significance, home to our ali'i, the royal birthstone still exists, Coco Palms was the home of Chiefess Kapule and her fishponds, heiau exist from the sea all the way to the summit of Waialeale. Alii bones were hidden intentionally to prevent desecration. Western concepts of death and burial don't apply. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-11074294120190392242013-01-22T14:43:42.729-10:002013-01-22T14:43:42.729-10:00I understand respecting graves, but these are poss...I understand respecting graves, but these are possible graves that no one has looked after, and no one can varify ancestory too.<br />There own familys have not kept links to these, it was their kuleana and they didnt care.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-47275003477283431872013-01-21T21:11:45.862-10:002013-01-21T21:11:45.862-10:00Just like the fireplaces. Crazy people insisting t...Just like the fireplaces. Crazy people insisting that others must obey them. The bones on this stretch were washed out to sea years ago. You want bones, dig under the golf course. But that is ok, right? Or wrong. Or whatever you nuts decide at the weekly meeting for loony cranks. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-45779482175277629982013-01-21T14:49:35.466-10:002013-01-21T14:49:35.466-10:00I enjoy the path and hope I'm still able to ri...I enjoy the path and hope I'm still able to ride a bike when it's finished. But it appears that coastal erosion is a given, and despite Wailua's recent accretion, it seems foolish to build an amenity so close to the ocean. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-69507605993449183112013-01-20T09:25:16.811-10:002013-01-20T09:25:16.811-10:00"Talk about grasping at straws! Pathetic.&quo..."Talk about grasping at straws! Pathetic." Western mind thought. Respecting na kupuna is our kuleana. <br /><br />8:31 am: Obviously the previous desecration can't be undone. Future desecration can. Leave it alone. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-68717230226857237992013-01-20T08:31:59.233-10:002013-01-20T08:31:59.233-10:00if the original road was put in over graves, as is...if the original road was put in over graves, as is the case, what can we do?<br /><br />close the road, <br />not fix the water or sewers?<br /><br />what is the solution?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-86141169978140956422013-01-20T06:47:16.570-10:002013-01-20T06:47:16.570-10:0011:13. Talk about grasping at straws! Pathetic. 11:13. Talk about grasping at straws! Pathetic. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-38017002496729563082013-01-20T00:03:49.268-10:002013-01-20T00:03:49.268-10:00Can't explain it to someone who just doesn'...Can't explain it to someone who just doesn't have a connection to place, to na kupuna, to this 'aina.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-88728899471457042592013-01-19T23:13:10.122-10:002013-01-19T23:13:10.122-10:00Oh come on now. Jeezus H Christ, lest we forget th...Oh come on now. Jeezus H Christ, lest we forget the Coliseum of ancient Rome. An engineering marvel of it's time, and still yet today. And all for the entertaining enjoyment of the masses. And what a lot of bones that must have produced. And who can deny that the Hawaiian's warrior legacy didn't create a very fair share of bones? So what;s a little concrete path next to an asphalt highway across from the dilapidated remains of the iconic Coco Palms? Given what is spent on other less user friendly boondoggles enjoy it while you can, Glenn Mickens be dammed.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-36190607554865272572013-01-19T18:29:44.206-10:002013-01-19T18:29:44.206-10:004:03 That IS the central issue, no appreciation fo...4:03 That IS the central issue, no appreciation for the sanctimony of life. As we get to walk/ride our lazy, fat asses on that concrete path that some idiots feel should go all around the island, there will be many more iwi and untouched coastlines to cement over.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-32554807834174025602013-01-19T16:03:57.076-10:002013-01-19T16:03:57.076-10:00Fundamental Values? Whose?
Shall we all be forc...Fundamental Values? Whose?<br /><br />Shall we all be forced to wave fans as we walk to avoid stepping on ants? <br /><br />Sanctimony is not all that powerful a tactic.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-14217119337536224052013-01-19T12:28:41.719-10:002013-01-19T12:28:41.719-10:0011:16 a.m. There isn't any doubt what Joan sta...11:16 a.m. There isn't any doubt what Joan stands for and she is consistent in her writings about what she values. As this is her blog, she can write about what is important to her and obviously if you don't agree, you have the choice to avoid her blog or not rather than chastise her for her set of values. I and many others are aligned with her values thus love reading her blog.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-67088382759056257992013-01-19T11:16:10.832-10:002013-01-19T11:16:10.832-10:00Joan always mistakes her opinions for "fundam...Joan always mistakes her opinions for "fundamental values." Otherwise known as 'self righteousness' Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-24919044769315887632013-01-19T10:47:47.259-10:002013-01-19T10:47:47.259-10:00"It's about debating these things loudly ...<i>"It's about debating these things loudly and often for over a decade and still not getting that the vast majority of us don't agree with you."</i><br /><br />It doesn't matter whether you agree with me or not. This isn't a question of opinion. It's about fundamental values that some of us don't want to compromise. <br /><br />And 10:36, you don't even deserve a response.<br />Joan Conrowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00172330100788007499noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-33721627018933838952013-01-19T10:36:15.038-10:002013-01-19T10:36:15.038-10:00Joan is the one being hypocritical. For knee jerk ...Joan is the one being hypocritical. For knee jerk anti development white people like her who want to preserve their image of what the island should be it's about using cultural and environmental issues to stop development. Period. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-41324974256557128012013-01-19T10:25:17.371-10:002013-01-19T10:25:17.371-10:00BS more fraud, waste, and abuse. How can the feder...BS more fraud, waste, and abuse. How can the federal government be so stupid to be scammed over multi millions of dollars per mile for this fake alternate transportation route. <br /><br />Oh yeah remember the serial killer hoopla and how Kauai's officials went on Americas most wanted and fooled the whole world. Yeah I remember that and also the crying over the planning commission quid pro quo, "we must stick together". How about the gas theft and the cover up of all the family and friends that was stealing gas from county refueling stations. <br /><br />Dey do Wat eva dey like! Dey no sked! Dey get peepo in place to protect dem. Dea no fea cuz dey da ones in powa!! <br /><br />I say federal prison sentences for all these dirty corrupt people. RICO charges on all of them.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-71948257207872897332013-01-19T10:23:35.469-10:002013-01-19T10:23:35.469-10:00Uh no.
"t's about the whole process of o...Uh no.<br /><br />"t's about the whole process of overriding cultural and environmental concerns for recreation."<br /><br />It's about debating these things loudly and often for over a decade and still not getting that the vast majority of us don't agree with you. The path is not a significant change in an area that is hardly pristine. <br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-86285372633862716882013-01-19T08:57:27.648-10:002013-01-19T08:57:27.648-10:00A better compromise is to tear down the eye sore a...A better compromise is to tear down the eye sore across the highway and return it to the Hawaiian people in recognition of its cultural significance as the former home of Chiefess Kapule. The real question is why kanaka must always compromise their cultural places/practices to accommodate others who apparently can't put their selfish wants aside for the indigenous people of Hawaii.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-36981838643254289332013-01-19T08:54:21.484-10:002013-01-19T08:54:21.484-10:00Acceptable to you, maybe.
It's not about the...Acceptable to you, maybe. <br /><br />It's not about the wall per se. It's about the whole process of overriding cultural and environmental concerns for recreation.<br /><br />It's about doing what's hewa as opposed to doing what's pono. So please, don't try to disguise it as a safety, access or alternative transportation issue. All of that is just window-dressing to ease your conscience, because those issues could be addressed in other ways and you know it.Joan Conrowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00172330100788007499noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-40857310882551454142013-01-19T08:31:34.299-10:002013-01-19T08:31:34.299-10:00Pedestrian safety, safe transport for those withou...Pedestrian safety, safe transport for those without cars, costal access for persons with disabilities are also important goals. The path is being built fully in the highway right of way over ground that has already been disturbed. This is an acceptable compromise.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-44470730124607778902013-01-19T06:53:06.357-10:002013-01-19T06:53:06.357-10:00whiners, i wanna ride my bicycle, i wana ride here...whiners, i wanna ride my bicycle, i wana ride here, don't care if i ride over your most sacred places, more whining i wanna ride now. FUAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-35654676747966236112013-01-18T20:41:49.129-10:002013-01-18T20:41:49.129-10:00Please. There was no wall there when I was young. ...Please. There was no wall there when I was young. And my father made a really good na'au. Took all day. My mother always complained. <br />Get on with the path. It is the most important thing out County has done in years. And can these fools on the council please stop trying to make fireplaces illegal? Is every cracked-pot on the island now a council member? Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-67212367547640915522013-01-18T19:46:43.031-10:002013-01-18T19:46:43.031-10:00Word.
Word.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-81942446414752657662013-01-18T18:31:20.349-10:002013-01-18T18:31:20.349-10:00OMG, a 10 ft concrete path next to a 50 ft wide an...OMG, a 10 ft concrete path next to a 50 ft wide and growing highway. It's the end of the world as we know it. <br /><br />Bones are just bones. The dead should not be a major obstacle for the living to get on with things. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com