tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post5136938504941006434..comments2023-10-17T04:51:08.765-10:00Comments on KauaiEclectic: Musings: Coming TogetherJoan Conrowhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00172330100788007499noreply@blogger.comBlogger39125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-63266232954565907142009-07-10T16:51:32.006-10:002009-07-10T16:51:32.006-10:00I must have fallen asleep in class...what was the ...I must have fallen asleep in class...what was the lesson?<br /><br />Who is "gadfly"?<br /><br />So far, I'm leaning in the direction of the one or more anon's who seem to take an opposing position to the tone of this "musing" in particular and blog in general.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-60404558204614071502009-07-10T14:38:35.630-10:002009-07-10T14:38:35.630-10:00gadfly is back to teach us something.gadfly is back to teach us something.watchdognoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-18773982729034390482009-07-10T10:43:56.050-10:002009-07-10T10:43:56.050-10:00I feed those to my pythons.I feed those to my pythons.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-48352542192401573062009-07-10T08:29:39.440-10:002009-07-10T08:29:39.440-10:00Not even to puppies and kittens?Not even to puppies and kittens?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-63609203253896501642009-07-09T17:29:20.378-10:002009-07-09T17:29:20.378-10:00NONOAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-47723298758113141622009-07-09T16:49:54.631-10:002009-07-09T16:49:54.631-10:00You don't have any sense of obligation to futu...You don't have any sense of obligation to future generations?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-87032798531588948652009-07-09T16:21:57.557-10:002009-07-09T16:21:57.557-10:00yah, but many of us (ourselves included) are spend...yah, but many of us (ourselves included) are spending their inheritance.<br /><br />they're on their own.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-83810578586402006092009-07-09T15:50:49.782-10:002009-07-09T15:50:49.782-10:00Don't the rich have kids?Don't the rich have kids?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-37189088973237810382009-07-09T14:17:48.413-10:002009-07-09T14:17:48.413-10:00"In any case, what happens after I'm dead..."In any case, what happens after I'm dead is meaningless to me."<br /><br />Now that's isolation.<br /><br />July 8, 2009 8:49 AM<br /><br />=========<br /><br />Thank you. I feel fine in my isolation, insulation and decoupling (with my like-minded friends) from "the world".<br /><br />I am now only a cynical observer and commenter on life's grand pageant playing out in multiple rings of this x-ring circus.<br /><br />(I am for capitalism and rich people in general, of course...my kind)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-15668356467683713082009-07-09T14:08:42.508-10:002009-07-09T14:08:42.508-10:00damn near impossible to notice, given the abysmal ...damn near impossible to notice, given the abysmal rate of progress.<br /><br />kind of like one mosquito saying it's already started draining that elephant of blood...any day now, it will be empty!<br /><br />kind of like the progress our sun is making toward its red dwarf stage that will turn our planet to a cinder.<br /><br />maybe the kingdom of hawaii will emerge again a few days before that.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-64657207984046089662009-07-09T13:30:14.098-10:002009-07-09T13:30:14.098-10:00In case you havenʻt noticed, it has already begun....In case you havenʻt noticed, it has already begun.nowondertheyhateusnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-50893033552183114712009-07-08T08:59:07.546-10:002009-07-08T08:59:07.546-10:00"Independence will happen."
"Do yo..."Independence will happen."<br /><br />"Do you think if you say it forcefully and affirmatively enough that it will become true? Like the little choo choo train?"Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-10369915226872462512009-07-08T08:49:11.984-10:002009-07-08T08:49:11.984-10:00"In any case, what happens after I'm dead..."In any case, what happens after I'm dead is meaningless to me."<br /><br />Now that's isolation.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-28044718389505659312009-07-08T06:32:22.057-10:002009-07-08T06:32:22.057-10:00All these, "not in my lifetime predictors&quo...All these, "not in my lifetime predictors", might I remind folks that nobody expected the Spanish Inquisition. Civilization is only 3 meals deep.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-40566742489117573482009-07-08T06:15:15.718-10:002009-07-08T06:15:15.718-10:00The burials and coastal protection always went ha...The burials and coastal protection always went hand in hand. It's common knowledge Hawaiian Burials are in the sand dunes. These same sand dunes are part of the beach, without the sand dunes, the beach has a very limited life. <br />That 2 tsunami's in Haena wiped out all but one of the houses in Haena in 1946 and 1957. Real loss of life and property limited development. These developers have no history here, and a limited future. Government failed, natures turn...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-79331426240691923362009-07-08T01:58:46.238-10:002009-07-08T01:58:46.238-10:00agreed! excellent post joan. larry's comments ...agreed! excellent post joan. larry's comments are part of the solution in the short term; until restorative justice is found. long term solutions would look towards community standards for burial sites that respect tradition, culture and the aina. mahalo again for an excellent show. hope all went well on oahuAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-4764409096679680942009-07-07T23:21:43.799-10:002009-07-07T23:21:43.799-10:00Mahalo Joan for your eloquent summary of yesterday...Mahalo Joan for your eloquent summary of yesterday's KKCR "panel" discussion. You pulled it all together with so much clarity.<br /><br />Stopping Development is a tall order. But having a planned, controlled development would give the time needed for all angles and perceptions to be heard, examined AND included in the decisions. <br /><br />I don't perceive Kanaka Maoli wanting to "go back in time", but instead I see the movement and action as a mission to preserve and perpetuate the cultural values that are still very alive within them. Values that give purpose to being alive.......<br /><br />Some naysayers seem to be so far from that source connection within themselves that all they can do is fear instead of even attempting to understand. <br /><br />Compassion and Communication. Key to moving forward with change.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-7555125866805994292009-07-07T22:21:38.675-10:002009-07-07T22:21:38.675-10:00It has more probability than a new Nation of Hawai...It has more probability than a new Nation of Hawaii existing for any length of time any sooner than that far out.<br /><br />In any case, what happens after I'm dead is meaningless to me.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-86053731888039461782009-07-07T22:11:18.513-10:002009-07-07T22:11:18.513-10:00So US influence will wane during the lifetime of y...So US influence will wane during the lifetime of your great great great grandchildren to the point where we cede the Hawaiian Islands to China?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-30178635098848680322009-07-07T21:43:17.576-10:002009-07-07T21:43:17.576-10:00"Independence will happen."
Ha! Not in..."Independence will happen."<br /><br />Ha! Not in my lifetime, nor that of my great-great-grandchildren. I will allow an incredibly slim possibility for it thereafter.<br /><br />You will be a nation for about 3 months before being taken over by China.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-36748044124318359652009-07-07T21:33:53.166-10:002009-07-07T21:33:53.166-10:00"What happens after I'm gone is no concer..."What happens after I'm gone is no concern of mine."<br /><br />You have no connection with any child? How sad.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-66292261941905144392009-07-07T21:15:50.856-10:002009-07-07T21:15:50.856-10:00"Instead, they were limited to preserving the..."Instead, they were limited to preserving the burials in place, or reinterring them elsewhere. And many times, he said, neither was the option the Council would have chosen."<br /><br />Sheesh, what does he mean? What other option is there? Preserve half a skeleton and re-locate half a skeleton? <br /><br />And while we're at it, let's blame the "State" for everything, they are always a convenient scapegoat...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-68742646094192955632009-07-07T21:01:42.178-10:002009-07-07T21:01:42.178-10:00"Now, the fantasies of independence or buried..."Now, the fantasies of independence or buried bones totally stopping development...nothing will change those....nor make them come true."<br /><br />July 7, 2009 4:47 PM<br /><br />Do you think if you say it forcefully and affirmatively enough that it will become true? Like the little choo choo train?<br /><br />Get a grip. What you fear most is inevitable...thatʻs why you blog and blog as the naysayer and rant and rave with your typical amerikan traits...because you fear it.<br /><br />Independence will happen.nowondertheyhateusnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-9117403360007059012009-07-07T20:50:49.405-10:002009-07-07T20:50:49.405-10:00to July 7, 2009 7:35 PM
yes, it was deliberately ...to July 7, 2009 7:35 PM<br /><br />yes, it was deliberately dismissive, and deservedly so (in my view). and your comment as to disrupting an ecochain vs pushing such a system to the brink of collapse is well taken<br /><br />as to the end of free / cheap / unwarranted credit...crazy wall street junk asset leveraging, etc, ...and the (new) reality of serving pretty damn big national debt etc....or 3rd world food crises via $100 oil, i hear ya<br /><br />as to "eco system is in freefall crash mode"....eh, i guess if you graph species loss it looks like armageddon. otherwise id just suggest your phrase will be governed by how well the first world selflessly helps india/china manage growthAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-59667760144298994212009-07-07T19:44:32.913-10:002009-07-07T19:44:32.913-10:00Well, it's open bar time here, because the eco...Well, it's open bar time here, because the eco "plane" isn't going to crash before I expire of natural causes. So, for me, I'm embracing the ride right up there in first class.<br /><br />What happens after I'm gone is no concern of mine.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com