tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post5171539386543561856..comments2023-10-17T04:51:08.765-10:00Comments on KauaiEclectic: Musings: Paradise vs UtopiaJoan Conrowhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00172330100788007499noreply@blogger.comBlogger34125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-41434848624206411132015-03-17T08:53:46.037-10:002015-03-17T08:53:46.037-10:00And thank you for practicing what you preach, Rob....And thank you for practicing what you preach, Rob. Joan Conrowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00172330100788007499noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-10966878800213940492015-03-17T08:12:12.094-10:002015-03-17T08:12:12.094-10:00Thanks Joan for hosting such a safe place for disc...Thanks Joan for hosting such a safe place for discussion and exchange of ideas without anyone getting personal, while hiding under anonymous moniker. <br />See ya Joan. See ya Chuck.<br />BTW Joan, some news coming out of Kauai Surfrider soon so you'd better sharpen your poison pen and update your anger thesaurus. Roibert Zelkovskynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-64097752358806570032015-03-16T10:43:48.529-10:002015-03-16T10:43:48.529-10:00I wonder how an out of work chiropractor who is no...I wonder how an out of work chiropractor who is now a wedding videographer (9:54) thinks he knows more about agriculture than actual farmers and ag landowners? Must be that "Dr" he uses.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-30480686254782479112015-03-16T10:19:04.841-10:002015-03-16T10:19:04.841-10:00There's a lot of information out there folks, ...There's a lot of information out there folks, and considering the issues at stake critical reading and understanding your new sources are a must...<br /><br />Here's a good link to "Balance as Bias: Global Warming and the US Prestige Press".<br /><br />http://www.eci.ox.ac.uk/publications/downloads/boykoff04-gec.pdf<br /><br />"This paper demonstrates US prestige-press coverage of global warming from 1988 to 2002 has contributed to a significant divergence of popular discourse from scientific discourse. This failed discursive translation results from an accumulation of tactical media responses and practices guided by widely accepted journalistic norms. Through content analysis of US prestige press—meaning the New York Times, the Washington Post, the Los Angeles Times, and the Wall Street Journal—this paper focuses on the<br />norm of balanced reporting, and shows that the prestige press’s adherence to balance actually leads to biased coverage of both anthropogenic contributions to global warming and resultant action."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-60759844245499998442015-03-16T10:10:37.110-10:002015-03-16T10:10:37.110-10:004:47 AM
Before you make a final decision to suppo...4:47 AM<br /><br />Before you make a final decision to support EarthJustice you may want to check The 2014 GreenBiz NGO Report - put together for the purpose of ranking 30 leading NGO's.<br /><br />Earthjustice landed on bottom tier "The Uninvited", a group comprised of NGO's "which have chosen to focus primarily on name and shame actions rather than develop working partnerships with companies."<br /><br />Download a report at info.greenbiz.com<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-69153049128021333582015-03-16T04:47:38.405-10:002015-03-16T04:47:38.405-10:006:40 PM Thank you for explaining it. I never thoug...6:40 PM Thank you for explaining it. I never thought of Earthjustice as backdooring pro-development with 60 day threats.<br />I am now a new supporter of Earthjustice. I have always wanted a lot for a nice home and a couple of horses out there on GF land.<br />Maybe now thru the the anti-AG efforts of the South Side and their minions I can get one. I'd pay $800,000 for a ten acre lot. I can build my house later after I save some more money. Thank youAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-26323786129966747072015-03-15T18:40:27.196-10:002015-03-15T18:40:27.196-10:00I am not commenting on the merits or other specifi...I am not commenting on the merits or other specifics of the propose dairy lawsuit, but only on the process. Certain federal laws, such as the Clean Water Act and Endangered Species Act, require a 60-day notice of intent to sue so that defendants have a chance to remedy or addressany legal issues and violations. The 60-day notices are not scare tactics, but are required before filing suit. I think they are a good thing to help avoid litigation when possible. Now, if a plaintiff does not have a legal cause of action and still files a 60-day notice, that might be considered a scare tactic and even irresponsible. <br /><br />Again, I am not commenting on the dairy matter, just hypothetically. When I worked at Earthjustice as a resource analyst for the attorneys in Honolulu, we resolved some issues by sending the required 60-day notice of intent to sue and without having to file suit. I also know that public interest law firms, such as Earthjustice, do not send 60-day notices without being confident in their legal arguments and committed to following through with litigation if necessary. They do not use these notices lightly and certainly not as a scare tactic. Just sayin'.Marjorie Zieglernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-71874616598559317672015-03-15T18:08:02.230-10:002015-03-15T18:08:02.230-10:00Paraquat WAS used to dry the sugar before harvest,...Paraquat WAS used to dry the sugar before harvest, nowadays sugar is mostly gone from Kauai.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-85154026004627243782015-03-15T13:26:31.340-10:002015-03-15T13:26:31.340-10:003:34 PM--you are the one who is misinformed. Para...3:34 PM--you are the one who is misinformed. Paraquat is NOT used to dry the sugar before harvest; glyphosate (as in Roundup) is approved and used for this in Hawaii and on the mainland where sugar is grown. And it's not a restricted use pesticide....in fact, many, if not most people in Hawaii use it in their yards.<br /><br />And yes, it would be nice if utopia existed but, as you would know if you tried to grow anything to make a living, herbicides are usually needed to outcompete all the invasive weed species that have inundated Hawaii in "modern times." Missionaries and sugar barons have nothing to do with it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-1656652800986535462015-03-15T13:14:37.776-10:002015-03-15T13:14:37.776-10:00G&G allowed on ag land provided it does not po...G&G allowed on ag land provided it does not pollute. Look at the numbers above/below HDF. They are polluting, no NPDES permit. I am real, you are anonymous.Robert Zelkovskynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-20064469263619038242015-03-15T06:35:55.044-10:002015-03-15T06:35:55.044-10:00Agriculture land is allowed to grub and grade, and...Agriculture land is allowed to grub and grade, and the pollution source is not identified but most certainly is not from the dairy. <br />Robert get real.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-78511077349276153222015-03-14T21:54:22.311-10:002015-03-14T21:54:22.311-10:00unknown 9:33 - there has been grading, grubbing, c...unknown 9:33 - there has been grading, grubbing, creation of ditches and ponds on the HDF property. Stream and surrounding waters have been tested once a month by Surfrider and twice by DOH. Results are worst in State. This is the baseline, can't imagine how much worse it can get, hence, lawsuit.Robert Zelkovskynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-24369302490797567042015-03-14T10:59:05.521-10:002015-03-14T10:59:05.521-10:00ditches are auwai, not lo'i, you lolo!ditches are auwai, not lo'i, you lolo!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-7777462464159380092015-03-14T10:50:51.106-10:002015-03-14T10:50:51.106-10:00joan, gotta check out da new kaua'i hhsc guy
...joan, gotta check out da new kaua'i hhsc guy<br /><br />http://paloverdevalleytimes.com/main.asp?SectionID=1&ArticleID=18186<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-46127530561858491472015-03-14T10:43:48.406-10:002015-03-14T10:43:48.406-10:00When you were in sugar, what did you, 3:38?
I gro...When you were in sugar, what did you, 3:38? <br />I grow kalo, not sugar, and none of my ancestors ever grew kalo in the cane fields. <br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-8496128083462556422015-03-14T10:43:38.955-10:002015-03-14T10:43:38.955-10:00Ah, freedom of expression. We can say whatever we ...Ah, freedom of expression. We can say whatever we want even if it's not based in reality. Loi as ditches for cane fields and aloha for everyone who leaves a good tip.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-55512431224817325972015-03-14T08:31:08.179-10:002015-03-14T08:31:08.179-10:00Or one could use cover crops that suppress nematod...Or one could use cover crops that suppress nematodes prior to planting whatever.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-7151073502345974372015-03-14T06:53:19.670-10:002015-03-14T06:53:19.670-10:006;55, the loi were not and are not the same as di...6;55, the loi were not and are not the same as ditches.get your facts right.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-75310014931810754902015-03-14T03:15:48.821-10:002015-03-14T03:15:48.821-10:00You lose "paradise" as soon as a human a...You lose "paradise" as soon as a human arrives and they upset the natural balance.<br /> Missionaries arrived a thousand years after these "pristine" islands had been modified for human needs. <br /><br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-55060626802121769942015-03-13T18:55:00.573-10:002015-03-13T18:55:00.573-10:00Loi were what we called the ditches. When you were...Loi were what we called the ditches. When you were in sugar, what did you, 3:38? Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-44206170108839849652015-03-13T15:38:47.699-10:002015-03-13T15:38:47.699-10:00Sugar cane fields and loi's did not mix, where...Sugar cane fields and loi's did not mix, where'd you get your notions?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-55336841198169180472015-03-13T15:34:24.079-10:002015-03-13T15:34:24.079-10:002:36, you are misinformed,and obviously never live...2:36, you are misinformed,and obviously never lived here then. the atrazine in the islands comes from sugar and guess what else? All the cane was sprayed with the restricted use pesticide Paraquat to kill the sugar before harvesting and processing. It is a dessicant and was sprayed before the burning took place to dry the greens. So first a restricted use pesticide was used on the cane and then it was burned.<br />Paradise has not been paradise ever since the missionaries and big sugar barons took over. Herbicides were never used to keep ancient ditches open til modern times. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-33231363801434786772015-03-13T14:36:09.796-10:002015-03-13T14:36:09.796-10:00Sugar itself generally did not rely on pesticide o...Sugar itself generally did not rely on pesticide or herbicides. It is tough. Herbicides were used to keep the ditches open. The loi were around one or two boundaries of the fields. There was a single application of a weak general fertilizer a few months after the planting, sometimes supplemented by a second, more specific application such as lime. Old cane land is perfectly healthy. Pineapple is another matter. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-78693118209114029092015-03-13T14:09:14.779-10:002015-03-13T14:09:14.779-10:00Good ones 9:41 and 1:48!!
So true!Good ones 9:41 and 1:48!!<br />So true!Kevinnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-34191610294950133672015-03-13T13:48:00.161-10:002015-03-13T13:48:00.161-10:00To 9:33
Let's have someone developed a GMO roo...To 9:33<br />Let's have someone developed a GMO root-knot nematode resistant variety of Kenaf. The KCCC folks would love it.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com