tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post5370504062679657881..comments2023-10-17T04:51:08.765-10:00Comments on KauaiEclectic: Musings: Don't Ever Give UpJoan Conrowhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00172330100788007499noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-47007607962244739392009-08-26T15:07:00.631-10:002009-08-26T15:07:00.631-10:00What country are you in when live in Hawaii?
It&#...What country are you in when live in Hawaii?<br /><br />It's simple:<br /><br />Who do you pay taxes to?<br />What country name is on the currency?<br />What country/state is on your driver's license?<br />Whose laws must be followed or face penalty?<br />What is the officially designated flag?<br />From where to social services come from (social security, medicare, etc)?<br />Under whose authority will an Akaka Bill "nation of indigenous Hawaiian people" be?<br /><br />When all of this changes, let me know. Then and only then will I concede that Hawaii is no longer part of the USA.<br /><br />Until then, it's only a dream on only a few people's minds. Not even the majority of "native Hawaiian" minds.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-26154101683079938952009-08-26T14:25:33.674-10:002009-08-26T14:25:33.674-10:00Without the Akaka bill, what would become of DHHL,...Without the Akaka bill, what would become of DHHL, OHA and Kamehameha School? Setting aside arguments about their efficacy, the concepts are good ones, namely land, money and education for Hawaiians. If the Hawaiians wait on sovereignty, there will be no end to the legal challenges to these entities. I hope that the Akaka bill at least puts an end to that.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-51981791686283350872009-08-26T13:02:23.435-10:002009-08-26T13:02:23.435-10:00Honolulu Advertiser
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N...Honolulu Advertiser <br /><br />http://tinyurl.com/l5nlra<br /><br />Native Hawaiians rallied around speeches Tuesday urging them to embrace pending federal legislation intended to give them more control of their future.<br />Advertisement<br /><br />Unlike pro-independence protesters during last week's 50th anniversary of statehood, this crowd of more than 1,000 gave a standing ovation in support of U.S. Rep. Neil Abercrombie's fiery address seeking a government-sanctioned Hawaiian entity.<br /><br />The legislation, called the Akaka Bill after Hawaii Democratic U.S. Sen. Daniel Akaka, is again advancing in Congress after a decade of efforts. It could become law as soon as this year.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-29487591091845341652009-08-26T11:03:02.106-10:002009-08-26T11:03:02.106-10:00Headline from today's Advertiser:
"Nativ...Headline from today's Advertiser:<br /><br />"Native Hawaiians optimistic at convention with speeches on federal recognition"Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-72400150796055140972009-08-26T08:27:38.761-10:002009-08-26T08:27:38.761-10:00The "ecologically enlightened" need to g...The "ecologically enlightened" need to get some manners. The County hires a PhD to identify the important Ag lands, a study that has been mandated by the State for years - and these people show up, raising their voices and spouting dummed-down cliches like "all the Ag lands are important". Protecting the environment is great, but these eco masses are so unpleasant.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-64908636787891817692009-08-25T22:52:33.251-10:002009-08-25T22:52:33.251-10:00"Was then, is now, forever will be., a Kanaka..."Was then, is now, forever will be., a Kanaka Nation"<br /><br />You can have your "Kanaka Nation" of the mind. I'll go with the nation with the money, power and rule and which is unlikely to change ever.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-41145561475585859152009-08-25T19:10:11.089-10:002009-08-25T19:10:11.089-10:00Was then, is now, forever will be., a Kanaka Natio...Was then, is now, forever will be., a Kanaka NationAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-46298338109861832192009-08-25T19:09:11.957-10:002009-08-25T19:09:11.957-10:00Who and why were people being tude to Dr Kim.Who and why were people being tude to Dr Kim.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-85068579457893090552009-08-25T17:27:16.155-10:002009-08-25T17:27:16.155-10:00Not to mention the hundreds of thousands of people...Not to mention the hundreds of thousands of people who would fight and die to defend Hawaii USA!<br /><br />Was then, is now, forever will be.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-35897867686696432012009-08-25T15:56:36.445-10:002009-08-25T15:56:36.445-10:00It's amazing that otherwise rational people ac...It's amazing that otherwise rational people actually believe that some miracle of domestic or international politics will open the door to Hawaiian independence.<br /><br />Drawing analogies to broader-based mainland civil rights movements or what other countries did with actual colonies - nothing incorporated into the fabric of their nations - is weak at best.<br /><br />Assuming that a sea-change of opinion by the majority of the American people based on knowing "the truth" is similarly weak.<br /><br />Then, there's the military strategic importance of Hawaii to a military-thinking country...now THAT is the tipping point towards status quo even if all other "dream changes" emerge.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-89619357691662651702009-08-25T15:50:21.669-10:002009-08-25T15:50:21.669-10:00It would be easy enough to add another clause to t...It would be easy enough to add another clause to the bill to force waiver of any international pursuit of independence.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-50972590632094946482009-08-25T15:38:05.112-10:002009-08-25T15:38:05.112-10:00"Colonies can be -- and repeatedly have been ..."Colonies can be -- and repeatedly have been -- freed when the occupying nation becomes committed to giving up its colonies."<br /><br />-- where are a handful of examples that would even make that a trend? seldom if ever seems to work that way<br /><br />what colonies have been given up in large part by intl pressure? USSR's pursuit of afgan...is that the example? i dont recall intl pressure doing much there<br /><br />i thought the african colonies largely got freed b/ of internal armed independence movements?<br /><br />japan's regional expansion was pushed back by allied forces<br /><br />the UK giving back hong kong to china, is that an example? US giving back the panama canal? seem like flimsy examples (and no intl pressure worth noting) <br /><br />i get where this all is supposed to "show" that HI can yet in its "struggle" get free of the US, but it does not seem those exemplar contentions hold up or "show" such<br /><br />as to saipan, guam, PR, and elsewhere...seems they are largely pretty happy under the US umbrella (save for garment workers) <br /><br />to claim the US is colonialist in character or habit is just a fast way of showing a poor understanding of history. the last big traditional colonial push was by the USSR...with china being a distant second<br /><br /><br />dwpsAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-5214328233533753172009-08-25T15:16:09.803-10:002009-08-25T15:16:09.803-10:00What ever do you think would cause America to beco...What ever do you think would cause America to become committed to giving up its colonies?<br /><br />Maybe it may think of "colonies" as the current territories of Puerto Rico, American Samoa, Guam, etc. But Hawaii isn't perceived, nor would it ever be perceived, as a colony. It is a state.<br /><br />I just don't see it happening, even in another 500 years.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com