tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post573343064115259344..comments2023-10-17T04:51:08.765-10:00Comments on KauaiEclectic: Musings: Fooled AgainJoan Conrowhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00172330100788007499noreply@blogger.comBlogger39125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-69272180064388131712014-05-02T10:01:31.927-10:002014-05-02T10:01:31.927-10:00Actually, I wasn't going to say anything, beca...Actually, I wasn't going to say anything, because Sandy is a nice, though misguided, lady. But since you pressed….<br /><br />I'm not sure what research was needed aside from actually reading the charter amendment, which I did. The group's intentions have no bearing; the only thing that matters is the dreadful language in its dreadful charter amendment. As for its vision, and Michael Shooltz, I'm well acquainted with both from his previous, and equally absurd, "contribution" to island politics: the Kauai Food Bill of Rights, which I lampooned last year.<br /><br />http://kauaieclectic.blogspot.com/2013/05/musings-political-farce.htmlJoan Conrowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00172330100788007499noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-57456008354297775252014-05-02T09:46:19.952-10:002014-05-02T09:46:19.952-10:00Still waiting for Ms. Conrow's response to Ms....Still waiting for Ms. Conrow's response to Ms. Herndon's observations....<br />4 days waiting.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-66007078920422629242014-04-28T20:47:46.264-10:002014-04-28T20:47:46.264-10:00Thank you Makana for supporting GMO cotton with th...Thank you Makana for supporting GMO cotton with those bibs...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-79833612327671861132014-04-28T11:38:25.318-10:002014-04-28T11:38:25.318-10:00So often I resonate with your blog's viewpoint...So often I resonate with your blog's viewpoint because it seems well thought out...even for "musings". This time, tho, you've missed the mark, sadly. You are assuming facts, making connections that do NOT exist in reality. You didn't bother to research (as you obviously did for the TVR situation)the relationships, the intention or the vision of Kaua`i Rising and yet you vilified Michael Shooltz. Your mis-information is creating MORE division and discontent within our community. I have long admired your willingness to stand with the Kanaka Maoli and the land; I'm puzzled why you would jump to these irresponsible conclusions without getting first hand information. Many folks look to you for truth- please find it for yourself and then share what you know.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05260473500982181490noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-23195802578537454022014-04-28T09:51:15.862-10:002014-04-28T09:51:15.862-10:00I wonder if these seed companies had any presence ...I wonder if these seed companies had any presence at the global horizons human trafficking farms, and if so, why they failed to speak up.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-91011325584740204612014-04-27T21:26:10.569-10:002014-04-27T21:26:10.569-10:00If 2481 were approached by properly, it would have...If 2481 were approached by properly, it would have called for the studies first then if anything negative came out of the studies, it would be pono to consider legislation to resolve the problems. But no, the anti's had to sow fear and dread in the less than astute populace and claim without proof guilt. I'd love to hear the whining if our courts used that process.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-74615086940753951912014-04-27T15:48:28.252-10:002014-04-27T15:48:28.252-10:00"Oh, and I forgot this one: It's unbearab..."Oh, and I forgot this one: It's unbearably sanctimonious."<br /><br />Joan,<br />Wow. You summed up the whole problem in two words (because everything else flows from that). Way to go. Unfortunately, however, there is no solution to that.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-8239969729572018862014-04-27T15:01:08.417-10:002014-04-27T15:01:08.417-10:00Can i add? It was largely a waste of time and mone...Can i add? It was largely a waste of time and money and discourages people in the future to be active by adding in all the crap instead of keeping it simple and real.For those that support pesticide reform, this creates a chasm that complicates civil discourse and real possibilities for change. <br />I understand it is not civil to spray poisons near schools, but i seem to remember the companies did enact restrictions.With real dialogue, who knows? The soundbites are disingenuous when the truth is bad enough.<br />The intentions of the bill and charter is unclear when they are written to not withstand legal scrutiny,they are written to fail . Those who dreamed the scheme are well aware while the innocent kids who really want changes were led to an impossible extreme.<br />Organic MommaAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-30521668639361623552014-04-27T13:47:33.152-10:002014-04-27T13:47:33.152-10:00Joan....I am so glad you have a sense of Humor, bu...Joan....I am so glad you have a sense of Humor, but seriously its so medicinal! So what's wrong with saying "bullsit" its an astonishing and satisfying opinion in describing a person or group of people are full it! Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-5751911303874901452014-04-27T12:31:00.117-10:002014-04-27T12:31:00.117-10:00Oh, and I forgot this one: It's unbearably san...Oh, and I forgot this one: It's unbearably sanctimonious.Joan Conrowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00172330100788007499noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-79295633657506703572014-04-27T12:29:53.701-10:002014-04-27T12:29:53.701-10:00You've barely scratched the surface "Pat&...You've barely scratched the surface "Pat" with no last name. <br /><br />My other, larger problems with the anti-GMO movement: it uses the tired, regressive, confrontational strategies of the entities it claims to oppose; it intentionally disseminates bullshit in an attempt to confuse, obscure and alarm; it's ineffective; it passed a legally flawed bill and now it's advancing an illegal charter amendment; many of its members are single-issue ideologues; it diverts attention and resources from other critical land use issues; it's harming agriculture, either intentionally or inadvertently; it's caused a huge rift in our community that many of its members seem either oblivious to or in denial about; it celebrates jingoism and oversimplifies complex issues. Did I mention it's ineffective?<br /><br />And finally, you know nothing about my "intentions," or who I am, so spare me the bullshit.Joan Conrowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00172330100788007499noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-9008635586854337222014-04-27T10:38:01.455-10:002014-04-27T10:38:01.455-10:00JoanI'm 8:06 and from reading your blog i unde...JoanI'm 8:06 and from reading your blog i understand that your problem with the antigmo movement is the people who run it and the people who put $ into it who you refer to as hypocrites. Also, that some of them are doing it for selfish motives. Okay, i get that, but i need more. For me, the above is not enough to justify your intentions. I see the movement as one to protect our land and the creatures who live on this earth----and to me, that is the bigger picture! Sorry to get you to the point where you have to use words like "bullshit", which, in my eyes, demeans who you are.patnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-12341758287399387012014-04-27T09:32:10.349-10:002014-04-27T09:32:10.349-10:00The E.U. imports millions of tons of GM soybean me...The E.U. imports millions of tons of GM soybean meal from the US and South America every year. Pressure from activist groups has made it impractical to grow the crops on European soil, even in the countries where no formal bans exist. That's one small part of the reason that Europe as a whole is a net importer of food.<br /><br />I think it's a shame that most antis aren't willing to discuss 'GMOs' on a trait-by-trait basis, or at least distinguish between the two big traits. Roundup-ready crops have led to more use of roundup. There's no disputing that. <br /><br />But Bt crops require less insecticide. That's literally the selling point for the technology. If it didn't work, farmers wouldn't keep buying the seeds year after year.<br /><br />I imagine the cornfields of Kauai are a special case, because the crops are being grown for seed, and in a tropical environment (and of course the seed companies grow plenty non-GMO corn too). <br /><br />The possibility of banning RR/stacked traits and keeping Bt almost never gets discussed. The debate ends up resting on ill-considered generalizations.<br /><br />Then there's the papaya, which has nothing at all to do with roundup-ready or Bt. Luke Kambichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01961053492165298697noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-91176921443109871562014-04-26T18:18:45.165-10:002014-04-26T18:18:45.165-10:00I heard they will be serving very delicious Kool A...I heard they will be serving very delicious Kool Aid at the free event with Makana ;)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-80660294230087490022014-04-26T17:59:11.389-10:002014-04-26T17:59:11.389-10:00Luigi- To make it easier for people to understand-...Luigi- To make it easier for people to understand- FACT- The EU ALLOWS GMOs, there may be restrictions. The USA also has restrictions on GMOs.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-22252579345223128862014-04-26T17:48:34.792-10:002014-04-26T17:48:34.792-10:00There is no scientific proof of bad health results...There is no scientific proof of bad health results from GMO, including autism.<br />The variance in autism by diagnosis by country has a lot to do with diagnostic substitution.<br />Science is a hard master for all of us. Facts are facts. Conjecture is conjecture.<br />I eat organic, but I know that "organic" may be a bunch of BS. It just makes me feel better about myself. I Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-33654662934507083042014-04-26T17:02:34.149-10:002014-04-26T17:02:34.149-10:00Joan please pardon my embellishment of the facts. ...Joan please pardon my embellishment of the facts. I meant to say most of the civilized world to include outright bans, limited bans & imports along with many variations of GMO use. These countries comprise most of the EU including Ireland, Austria,Germany,France,Italy,Portugal,Spain,Hungary,Greece,Luxembourg,Thailand, now Russia & Bulgaria also. Japan's people are resisting GMO. Peru has recently banned GMO, where South America has widespread GMO use.<br />Then how about the reports from IMF watchdogs about cotton farmers in India committing suicide at a rate of 1000 a month because of crop failure creating insurmountable debt as, each was forced to use GMO seeds from Monsanto who made their government a sweetheart deal.<br />Others with some bans or limits include Phillipines,Saudia Arabia,Egypt,Brazil.Algeria,Paraguay.<br />Not all but quite an impressive list that is growing by the day. Recently Monsanto stock is getting rocked by all these reports so their spin doctors will continue to personally attack their opponents with the well proven concept of divide & conquer. This makes all of us the losers.So maybe I'm not as horribly uninformed as You suspect. Again your work is greatly appreciated by those of us who are paying attention.mahalonuiAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17089480937555133418noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-25915720164104884502014-04-26T16:45:07.777-10:002014-04-26T16:45:07.777-10:003:40 Specifically the autism claim. 3:40 Specifically the autism claim. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-11899308775022230042014-04-26T16:43:41.144-10:002014-04-26T16:43:41.144-10:003:40 Can you provide a source for your statement?...3:40 Can you provide a source for your statement? That would be most helpful so we don't continue the practice of just taking someone's word for it. Mahalo in advance. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-87011183308667051022014-04-26T16:42:06.780-10:002014-04-26T16:42:06.780-10:003:40, that's not "evidence." It'...3:40, that's not "evidence." It's conjecture to sell someone's book. Big difference.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-62185056034820495652014-04-26T16:17:22.925-10:002014-04-26T16:17:22.925-10:00In an attempt to curb the some of the bullshit suc...In an attempt to curb the some of the bullshit such as the assertion "what don't you understand what the conclusion of the entire I repeat entire rest of the civilized world except sic china has banned all I repeat all GMO from their countries", here's a useful link to a compendium of the GE constructs and countries that have accepted them so you can see for yourself, April 26 12:32, http://www.isaaa.org/gmapprovaldatabase/default.asp Some of you folks should so some WORK instead of parroting dumbass stuff you picked up on a Mercola flack-blog, Kauai Rising or some other shill for this nonsense. This provides some very useful information if you want, but it requires a little more application than some commenters apparently invest. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-42312707941840775552014-04-26T15:40:03.448-10:002014-04-26T15:40:03.448-10:00The Makana as a farmer photo makes me want to vomi...The Makana as a farmer photo makes me want to vomit. <br /><br />On the other hand, the evidence just keeps Rolling in against the GMO. Most recent links to autism.<br /><br />"Meanwhile, autism rates in Europe have remained virtually flat for the last decade. Recent estimates in European countries range from 1 in 5,000 in Germany to 1 in 700 in Portugal. So what are Americans doing to harm themselves and their children's brains that Europeans aren't, besides watching Fox News?<br />No one knows for sure, but one thing to consider is the massive increase in Genetically Modified Organisms (GMOs) and the concomitant upsurge in pesticide and herbicide use.<br />David Vogel, professor at the Haas School of Business and in the Department of Political Science at the University of California, Berkeley, points out that between 1960 and 1990, American health, safety, and environmental regulations were more stringent, risk averse, comprehensive, and innovative than those adopted in Europe. Vogel's book, The Politics of Precaution, explains that since around 1990, global regulatory leadership has shifted to Europe.<br />With many types of environmental risks, extreme conservative ideologues in the US have brought regulatory protection of public health to a screeching halt. America's failure to deal with the climate crisis is probably the most conspicuous casualty. But what is happening to the brains of our children may be just as important."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-80138805362603558632014-04-26T13:46:45.745-10:002014-04-26T13:46:45.745-10:00Dear Luigi, Thanks for reading, and I'm glad y...Dear Luigi, Thanks for reading, and I'm glad you usually enjoy the blog. I agree wholeheartedly with your statement: "ones fears need to be balanced with clear rational thinking when it comes to GMOs."<br /><br />Which is why I'm compelled to note you are horribly misinformed if you believe all the world has banned GMOs except the US and China. <br /><br />But if you don't believe me, here's an anti-GMO link:<br /><br />http://naturalrevolution.org/list-of-countries-that-ban-gmo-crops-and-require-ge-food-labels/Joan Conrowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00172330100788007499noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-54662693491872247362014-04-26T12:32:52.044-10:002014-04-26T12:32:52.044-10:00Joan thank you so much for all your work at expos...Joan thank you so much for all your work at exposing the real details that are so missing in today's media. I would further add that in times past I have disagreed with you on some issues. This leads me to my point ones fears need to be balanced with clear rational thinking when it comes to GMO..... Please answer me why on GODS green earth what don't you understand what the conclusion of the entire I repeat entire rest of the civilized world except sic china has banned all I repeat all GMO from their countries.Again mahalonui for all your work but please wake up.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17089480937555133418noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-79804346823239707332014-04-26T08:51:04.209-10:002014-04-26T08:51:04.209-10:008:06 -- Have you been asking me? So hard to tell y...8:06 -- Have you been asking me? So hard to tell you from all the other Anons. I've been quite clear about why I'm criticizing the anti-GMO movement. I've laid it out in detail over and over. But people need to be responsible for their own intense denial. <br /><br />As for negativity and positivity, so often that's in the eye of the beholder. I'm not one to sugar coat bullshit because some people can't handle the truth.<br /><br />Though I agree, I could certainly do without all your Anonymous pals hitting me below the belt!! Joan Conrowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00172330100788007499noreply@blogger.com