tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post6025200081202847854..comments2023-10-17T04:51:08.765-10:00Comments on KauaiEclectic: Musings: Transparently OpaqueJoan Conrowhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00172330100788007499noreply@blogger.comBlogger23125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-45479590517769427692015-10-09T06:45:37.802-10:002015-10-09T06:45:37.802-10:00Look no further than your leaders.
If they cheat, ...Look no further than your leaders.<br />If they cheat, lie and spout hyperbole. That is the essence of the group.<br />We get what we deserve.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-75718938446666279522015-10-09T03:46:26.920-10:002015-10-09T03:46:26.920-10:00CFS 501(c)3 is very limited in lobbying activity. ...CFS 501(c)3 is very limited in lobbying activity. As loopholes go, she may be working it from both entities. But if she is an employee of the action fund, she is legal. But who knows? Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-39910969012233158312015-10-09T03:43:36.633-10:002015-10-09T03:43:36.633-10:00CFS Action Fund, as a 501(c)4 is the entity that i...CFS Action Fund, as a 501(c)4 is the entity that is legally allowed to lobby for candidates or legislation. They are also supposed to disclose their 990 filing publicly but ARE allowed to redact donor information.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-41146864325014331792015-10-08T23:12:39.406-10:002015-10-08T23:12:39.406-10:00To 7:12 PM:
YES! Pang's cane burning junk sci...To 7:12 PM:<br /><br />YES! Pang's cane burning junk science....so glad someone else saw that craziness. Any epidemiologist would laugh his head off reading that "study" and its conclusions. But it sure is perfect timing for the much-needed publicity that Maui anti-agriculture nuts (along with the Kauai and Big Island ones) covet. Will the public read the study and understand that it's pure nonsense? Or will it fuel the fire even more, so that every malaise imaginable from Hana to Lahaina is attributed to the 25-minute early morning burns, during the season. <br /><br />Lorrin Pang is a real embarrassment to the Department of Health but they can't get rid of him because he and UH's Hector Valenzuela have already set themselves up; they wrote "Henceforth we expect to be protected by whistle-blower rules." So anything goes! We pay their salaries and they use their positions to self-aggrandize and fear-monger.<br /><br />Soon they will get what they wish for: 36,000 acres of houses and traffic stretching across Central Maui, 800 local family bread-winners out of work, along with the demise of all the associated businesses that HC&S supports.<br /><br />Something is very wrong in Paradise when all you have to do is allege that farming is causing your runny nose, headache, vertigo, birth defects, cancer, you name it, and, without providing any evidence or realistic suggestions for alternatives, you can drive a legitimate employer out of business.<br /><br />And these folks say they are all about sustainability. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-68345220784285183802015-10-08T19:12:12.479-10:002015-10-08T19:12:12.479-10:00You want to hear nuts? Today I have business on Ma...You want to hear nuts? Today I have business on Maui. The Maui News has a story that cane fires cause respiration diseases. Except that the actual data shows that respiratory problems are less on burn days than no burn days? VOG. Yup. Nature. So that proves cane must be abolished in Hawaii. A negative finding versus a Strawman that loses. And the negative turns miraculously into a positive, absolute and positive proof of causation. Junk Science at its best. <br />A smart logician would conclude cane fires cure VOG. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-34613858768489963132015-10-08T16:51:30.574-10:002015-10-08T16:51:30.574-10:00As the great American Rodney Brown said "Can&...As the great American Rodney Brown said "Can't we all just get along?"<br />“There is nothing more deceptive than an obvious fact.”<br />― Arthur Conan Doyle<br />“Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain!”<br /> -Wizard of Oz"<br />“Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies.”<br />― Groucho MarxAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-26282515223314136142015-10-08T14:53:22.208-10:002015-10-08T14:53:22.208-10:00As someone involved with the proposed merger betwe...As someone involved with the proposed merger between NextEra and HECO I can only say Joan you are missing all the fun beating up on Ashley. Many of these same people (Life of the Land) are involved mostly opposing the merger. In fact, and this includes Kauais cooperative our current system is on where big oil companies and out of state corporations are looting Hawaii's middle class. And these same ot for(s) are allied with the administration not only in opposing the merger but bringing natural gas to the island. So follow the who benefits method to read the politic. And that is big oil. Without natural gas we will continue to burn oil, nastier both in terms of price and greenhouse gases, for the next 30 years. Furthermore because of the way the 100 percent renewable legislation is written when we reach that magic 100 percent we will still be burning oil for 50 percent of our power generation. And because electric power use will grow we will probably be burning more oil in 2045 than now. So my burning questions, after observing these people in both the GMO conflict are 1) just how stupid are they? 2) just how corrupt are they? Just how stupid do they think the residents of Hawaii are? Just how stupid are the residents of Hawaii? Just a few questions?Lboydhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02186959492763617188noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-12464371316464804712015-10-08T14:17:08.422-10:002015-10-08T14:17:08.422-10:0010:25 AM said, "the core of the initiative wa...10:25 AM said, "the core of the initiative was put together step by step by citizens."<br /><br />And that's probably why it got shot down by the courts just like the Super Ferry! good job "citizens".Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-54228157519341610372015-10-08T14:03:10.334-10:002015-10-08T14:03:10.334-10:00Truth is a stranger Lukens never met.Truth is a stranger Lukens never met.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-54951645390760738052015-10-08T12:50:03.722-10:002015-10-08T12:50:03.722-10:00C'mon, Ms Lukens! Show us the money!C'mon, Ms Lukens! Show us the money!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-22550420524704107362015-10-08T11:25:39.317-10:002015-10-08T11:25:39.317-10:00 No, 11:22, the Cornell Alliance for Science is NO... No, 11:22, the Cornell Alliance for Science is NOT opposed to FOIA. Take a moment and read the link. It is opposed to the selective use of FOIA to bully and intimidate a specific group of scientists and prevent them from doing their work. Big difference.<br /><br />But thank you for revealing you have no honor, with that blatant attempt at deception.Joan Conrowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00172330100788007499noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-71765070086003301282015-10-08T11:23:06.579-10:002015-10-08T11:23:06.579-10:00I don't know about the rest of you but it real...I don't know about the rest of you but it really pisses me off that narcissistic liars and bullies like Hooser and Lukens and their ilk get to evade taxes and other requirements the rest of us have to comply with, while they denigrate individuals and companies that actually do productive work that benefits our community. <br /><br />And, not that she's relevant, but what about Nomi Carmona/Babes Against Biotech? How many years did she strut her stuff at the legislature and elsewhere as a lobbyist without ever registering or filing, as required by Hawaii law? So all the lobbyist-bashing she does must not apply to herself because....what? <br /><br />These folks really believe they are above the law. And they're taking over.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-43639580603990715612015-10-08T11:22:16.693-10:002015-10-08T11:22:16.693-10:00It is easy to understand that anti-science types w...It is easy to understand that anti-science types want scientists to be transparent and are not transparent themselves because they lack critical thinking skills to see hypocracy. <br /><br />One would expect better from scientists and assume they would fully support freedom of information. Unfortunately this is not the case. The Cornell Alliance for Science for example is opposed to FOIA http://cas.nonprofitsoapbox.com/science14<br /><br />“The louder he talked of his honor, the faster we counted our spoons.”<br />― Ralph Waldo EmersonAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-74345906409335508442015-10-08T11:02:29.162-10:002015-10-08T11:02:29.162-10:00Everyone on Kauai is scamming the system just like...Everyone on Kauai is scamming the system just like the fire fighters.<br /><br />If you don't know then ask your broken council member about it or the other councilman that's double dipping and could possibly triple dip if he files for SS disability.<br /><br />Letters for October 8, 2015<br />TGI<br /><br /><br />Police overtime is excessive<br /><br />In Sunday, Oct. 4, the TGI Forum section had an outstanding column be Joselyn Olinares in reporting and documenting a clear abuse in the Department of Police of the County of Kauai’sretirement system. Assuming her numbers are correct, the Kauai Police Department allows this gaming of the retirement system to continue. She sites, as an example, “one officer on Kauaiwith a maximum base salary of $76,710 made more than $79,874 in overtime, and $64,511 in retirement and other pay, to $221,095 in one fiscal year.”<br /><br />Assuming some level of oversight, the above example must be clearly known by the police chief and by other senior officers. If the County Council was not aware of this gaming of theretirement system before, they certainly are now. If the County Council takes no corrective action, they are complicate in allowing this gaming of the retirement system to continue.<br /><br />One way to prevent this gaming of the system is to demand, in the next negotiations with the police union, that retirement be based on base salary only, which seems fair. If the union rejectsthis demand, it can be imposed unilaterally by the County Council. The union may then propose to go on strike, which may be illegal for a “safety” officer to do. They could still walk out, asthe air traffic controllers did some years ago, but perhaps be given the same fate — a set number of days to return or they are fired.<br /><br />While I believe that all of the above is probably true regarding the retirement system, I both respect and honor our Kauai police officers and I feel that they do an outstanding job.<br /><br />Joe Frisinger, PrincevilleAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-24373901589757391422015-10-08T10:48:48.599-10:002015-10-08T10:48:48.599-10:00What is the "Constitution of the United State...What is the "Constitution of the United States of America"? Are not the people kinda free to choose what we eat? Either eat at McDonalds or Burger King or the new Jack in the Box or wherever. "Our" choice. If people want GMO let them have GMO. This Bullying is so Bullshit. American Greed, some lobby with someone else's money. That is all they can do. They might be to (fill in the blank) to work the fields but they can treat others to a good time on not their dime. The "day" has come to Kauai where the island is divided like never before. There are a handful of OLD TIMERS left on this island to tell us we all LOLO. We allow ourselves to be Bullied. We are submissive to ideas that we do not believe in. We let it happen. Where is Kauai today labeled Red or Blue. This is so Bullshit. Nobody mentions Green. Yep three High School colors, Kapaa High School, Kauai High School and Waimea High School. Pre Island School. We did not say no come here and live to disrupt the island. The Big Island had it when they ate...........Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-742209593754024522015-10-08T10:46:49.810-10:002015-10-08T10:46:49.810-10:00You're really missing the point, 10:33, and it...You're really missing the point, 10:33, and it's this: The transparency and accountability of the Lege extends to its interactions with both for profit and nonprofit lobbying groups. There's actually a lot more transparency right now with how it does interact with for profit groups.<br /><br />No, I'm not going to defend the Senator's decision to withhold its emails, in part because I haven't seen the actual wording of the request from CFS, so I don't know what it was asking. There are all sorts of exceptions allowed in the open records law. <br /><br />And 10:25, you're dreaming if you think 2491 was a homegrown brainstorm. Mainland and international anti-GMO groups specifically targeted Hawaii to produce measures like 2491, just like they've done in other key states and nations.<br /><br />Joan Conrowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00172330100788007499noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-23598941433499165932015-10-08T10:33:36.843-10:002015-10-08T10:33:36.843-10:00"So again I ask the question, why is there co..."So again I ask the question, why is there concern only about the transparency of for-profit corporations, and absolutely none for nonprofit corporations?"<br /><br />I think this is where you are wrong on this issue. It is not about the accountability of corporations--it is about the transparency and accountability of our Legislature. The open records laws exist for a reason, and I do not like the idea of these legislators trying to get around them. OIP will probably take years to decide the appeal anyway, so I guess it is a moot point. But are you really prepared to defend a legislator's refusal to produce emails with lobbyists? Because that is what this all really seems to be about. (Personally, I also disagree with the pre-decisional exception to the open records laws anyway, but that is a separate issue)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-51334509931218088122015-10-08T10:25:32.479-10:002015-10-08T10:25:32.479-10:00We are saying the same thing Joan but you are over...We are saying the same thing Joan but you are over emphasizing the role and influence of CFS. Earth Justice also weighed in. As did a lawyer from NHLC (forgot his name). But the core of the initiative was put together step by step by citizens. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-31742537300987228922015-10-08T10:21:24.271-10:002015-10-08T10:21:24.271-10:00Well, some of the North Shore folks have agreed th...Well, some of the North Shore folks have agreed that all farmers should be covered by the buffer zone laws and testing. That includes organic farmers too. The activists said that it is fair. I'll see it when it happens. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-47856677674368323652015-10-08T10:20:46.588-10:002015-10-08T10:20:46.588-10:0010:16 -- Gary Hooser himself told me that CFS was...10:16 -- Gary Hooser himself told me that CFS was involved in writing Bill 2491 and had vetted the final version before he introduced it. Joan Conrowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00172330100788007499noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-84938208246076726822015-10-08T10:16:19.943-10:002015-10-08T10:16:19.943-10:00Err 2491 was not a ballot initiative. And CFS may...Err 2491 was not a ballot initiative. And CFS may have consulted on definitions and fine tuning, 2491 was put together through many discussions in people's living rooms and then given form by Hooser and Bynum. I was there in some of those living room conversations and CFS deserves no credit for drafting or initiating 2491. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-58946086256765617442015-10-08T10:07:16.503-10:002015-10-08T10:07:16.503-10:00I have no "handlers." As for you, "...I have no "handlers." As for you, "there are none so blind as those who will not see."Joan Conrowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00172330100788007499noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-35603206891155435762015-10-08T10:04:36.075-10:002015-10-08T10:04:36.075-10:00Way to spin it Joan. Your handlers are proud.Way to spin it Joan. Your handlers are proud.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com