tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post6048468463390309576..comments2023-10-17T04:51:08.765-10:00Comments on KauaiEclectic: Musings: Following the Anti-GMO Money, Part 1Joan Conrowhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00172330100788007499noreply@blogger.comBlogger26125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-33618824831285499682017-03-18T10:12:53.996-10:002017-03-18T10:12:53.996-10:00To 10:35 AM:
No, we don't need "two sides...To 10:35 AM:<br />No, we don't need "two sides". Not when one side is a total fabrication. <br /><br />This is not a "story"; this is real life. We can't afford a lying "side".<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-62222701147111678092017-03-17T10:35:56.852-10:002017-03-17T10:35:56.852-10:00Glad that CFS is alive and well. Mahalo to the in...Glad that CFS is alive and well. Mahalo to the institutes, companies and private donors for keeping it going. We need to have the side that will take precautions---isn't this what a democracy is all about. If you think that CFS is being untruthful and persist just to make money, then that's your take-----we need two sides of every story! Let the debate go on!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-72967941431012077372017-03-16T15:41:45.287-10:002017-03-16T15:41:45.287-10:00Rather counter-intuitively, starving populations a...Rather counter-intuitively, starving populations are currently increasing the fastest. Just check the UN statistics. The most disadvantaged areas don't have the consistent access to modern contraceptives that more developed areas do. <br /><br />Population growth rates have taken a dive where girls are educated, where disease rates and infant mortality rates are low, and where there's enforcement against human trafficking, slavery and child marriage. Food security is a part of general security. Secure people have access to contraceptive technologies and choose to use them.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-19569422603112458942017-03-16T13:27:58.253-10:002017-03-16T13:27:58.253-10:00@6:44 AM having an M.D. does not confer the an equ...@6:44 AM having an M.D. does not confer the an equivalent knowledge of agricultural sciences, in and of itself. Look up Dunning-Kruger syndrome.<br /><br />And Joan, great blogs, love the expose of Ashley Lukens as a fear-mongerer. Maybe we should start printing up "I'm not a frog in a wheelbarrow" t-shirts.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-65365987788795454152017-03-16T12:16:40.344-10:002017-03-16T12:16:40.344-10:00@6:29. the decline of Roundup has already started...@6:29. the decline of Roundup has already started with resistance water hemp, horse weed, and Palmer amaranth. I have friends that are 100% Liberty link soybeans. I'll be down from 100% RR beans last year to 60% this year. other farmers are trying dicamba soybeans.<br /><br />@ 7:18. there are plenty of farmers that will continue to produce crops conventionally... raising a fourth to half a crops isn't as fun as running the combine bin over before you can reach the end of the field.... also, hand weeding sucks and is expensive. tillage destroys the soil and increases erosion..... So, those rich activist can buy their food elsewhere and farmer like me will take up the slack. <br /><br />It's amazing how much organic food and grains we import from 3rd world countries because of their cheap labor. then we turn around and sell our cheap grains to those third world countries because they can't afford that over priced organic food. what a waste of fossil fuels, but the laws of economics make that system more profitable... There will come a point when those 3rd world countries will become self sufficient. To prevent being buried in a glut of grain, animal agriculture is exploding on the mainland, because it's more economical to export meat than grain. plus, we keep the manure here, which reduces fertilizer input cost. in addition, we have the jobs and tax revenue too. The next 30 years in agriculture are going to be really interesting.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-26589035650114380442017-03-16T07:18:37.178-10:002017-03-16T07:18:37.178-10:00Maybe organic farmers have it right. If you aband...Maybe organic farmers have it right. If you abandon "science farming" and dictate organic faming, then production will severely decrease and there will be worldwide starvation. People will die off and populations will decline, which is really the root of most of the earth's problems ... overpopulation. The only problem is the poorest people will perish first. I guess that's the new world order. The new caste system will feature these rich activists at the top of the food chain. It's a sad day when scientists and researchers are persecuted for trying to advance food for the world.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-36364811538998786962017-03-16T06:47:26.890-10:002017-03-16T06:47:26.890-10:00@6:44 Says an acolyte of Dr. Oz....
@ 6:40 "...@6:44 Says an acolyte of Dr. Oz....<br /><br />@ 6:40 "The records <i>suggested</i>" --- and the suggestion was denied.Joan Conrowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00172330100788007499noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-15074862053666826152017-03-16T06:44:12.256-10:002017-03-16T06:44:12.256-10:00@12:20 you do realize that this blog and its comme...@12:20 you do realize that this blog and its commenters are smarter than a doctor don't you?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-23241572317200413592017-03-16T06:40:25.541-10:002017-03-16T06:40:25.541-10:00You know what is funny@9:54 you obviously didn'...You know what is funny@9:54 you obviously didn't read the link but think you know it all. "The court documents included Monsanto’s internal emails and email traffic between the company and federal regulators. The records suggested that Monsanto had ghostwritten research that was later attributed to academics and indicated that a senior official at the Environmental Protection Agency had worked to quash a review of Roundup’s main ingredient, glyphosate, that was to have been conducted by the United States Department of Health and Human Services." Monsanto knows "will" and "does" and knows your addiction to Doritos along with paying everybody off can keep that a dirty little secret for a bit longer,Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-78064513127259522842017-03-16T06:29:51.696-10:002017-03-16T06:29:51.696-10:00Roundup replaced the use of more toxic products, i...Roundup replaced the use of more toxic products, if you get rid of it, people will go back to using more toxic products again.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-37646281654783378242017-03-16T00:20:20.713-10:002017-03-16T00:20:20.713-10:00The science is clear. But not in here......
http:...The science is clear. But not in here......<br /><br />http://www.civilbeat.org/2017/03/pesticides-the-science-is-clear-the-solution-more-complex/Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-19122673571379570372017-03-15T21:54:27.151-10:002017-03-15T21:54:27.151-10:00@ 4:59 PM - It's interesting that all of the n...@ 4:59 PM - It's interesting that all of the negative statements insinuating harm from the use of glyphosate all use hedge words like:<br /><br />might cause cancer<br />records suggested<br />indicated that<br />some disagreement<br />people who claim<br />probable carcinogen<br /><br />It's funny that with all the money and all the research that the anti-GMO crowd pour into their big cause, they still can't use words like "will" or "does". Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-9942905720160050892017-03-15T20:35:50.860-10:002017-03-15T20:35:50.860-10:00Roundup is the only savior of western civilization...Roundup is the only savior of western civilization. You ever try pulling weeds? That is hardAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-29299892927133712442017-03-15T20:16:23.507-10:002017-03-15T20:16:23.507-10:00Roundup will be banned in the next 10 years, guara...Roundup will be banned in the next 10 years, guaranteed, and a lot of you mouth pieces will be singing a different tune. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-78042371210331103252017-03-15T16:59:57.186-10:002017-03-15T16:59:57.186-10:00https://mobile.nytimes.com/comments/2017/03/14/bus...https://mobile.nytimes.com/comments/2017/03/14/business/monsanto-roundup-safety-lawsuit.htmlAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-19357279945002308422017-03-15T16:53:03.817-10:002017-03-15T16:53:03.817-10:00CFS = Big Organic Lobbyist. Game plan: Fear = rec...CFS = Big Organic Lobbyist. Game plan: Fear = record sales // 43 billion? What a game plan, next time someone says its organic ask them what makes it organic? Or why is organic better? The answer will prove that the BOL's are winning. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-35836710198432515822017-03-15T16:37:33.068-10:002017-03-15T16:37:33.068-10:00I accidentally drank some roundup out of a waterbo...I accidentally drank some roundup out of a waterbottle that was not labeled. I probably swallowed about 2 ounces of pure roundup. I drove myself to the hospital but after vomiting in the parking lot I felt fine. I decided that day that roundup is fine. I spray it along all my fence lines and use it to kill scrub trees. Just remember, toxic to plants but you can literally drink the stuff. Chill out fistees.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-57640960279252580112017-03-15T13:22:58.475-10:002017-03-15T13:22:58.475-10:00Science will save us until it kills usScience will save us until it kills usAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-20288873263727515882017-03-15T12:27:09.172-10:002017-03-15T12:27:09.172-10:00Science is the only thing that will save us from o...Science is the only thing that will save us from ourselves; not religion, or politically correct thinking.<br /><br />GMOs will help save the world from starvation.<br /> Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-22069199524183356522017-03-15T10:56:58.364-10:002017-03-15T10:56:58.364-10:00@10:41 I often find myself in defense of the seed ...@10:41 I often find myself in defense of the seed companies because they are the ones being attacked by the anti-GMO activists. And if these attacks result in policies limiting biotechnology development and deployment in agriculture, then it most definitely will set back GMOs that are being developed for the greater good. These include projects in the works that would infer drought and salinity tolerance, improve photosynthesis, reduce the need for fertilizer inputs, eliminate aflatoxins and reduce pesticides. Though public sector scientists are working on many of these projects, some of them involve technology owned by the same companies that run Hawaii's seed farms. These companies are increasingly releasing the patents on some of their technology so it can be included in these public good projects, with the seeds available at low cost to locally run seed cooperatives. An example is the <a href="http://allianceforscience.cornell.edu/blog/tanzania-plants-its-first-gmo-research-crop" rel="nofollow">WEMA project</a>.<br /><br />Also, I have never claimed that "pesticides <b>have</b> to be used in modern agriculture." They are a tool that is useful in controlling pests and diseases, and they have been effective in improving yields and reducing hand labor, which is in short supply across the globe. One reason I support GMOs is that many of the seeds currently available actually reduce pesticide use.<br /><br />If you're interested in a blog that espouses gmo technology as being good for the public good, then please visit the <a href="http://allianceforscience.cornell.edu/blog" rel="nofollow">Alliance for Science</a>. I'm a frequent contributor, and public sector GMO research is primarily our focus.<br /><br />Joan Conrowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00172330100788007499noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-40074136847142788422017-03-15T10:41:01.584-10:002017-03-15T10:41:01.584-10:00Come on Joan, you have a lot of good points, but y...Come on Joan, you have a lot of good points, but your overall message seems to always side with the large seed companies. All good if you are getting paid, but you claim pesticides have to be used in modern agriculture. I want to start a blog where I espouse gmo technology as somehow being good for the greater good. I am no scientist, but just looking at who owns the seed companies(chemical company) makes me not trust their intentions.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-86671376402724188252017-03-15T09:20:44.526-10:002017-03-15T09:20:44.526-10:00@9:15 It appears you have either a thinking disord...@9:15 It appears you have either a thinking disorder or a reading comprehension problem.<br /><br />I have <i>NEVER</i> argued that pesticides are safe. <br /><br />And this post isn't about pesticides. So quit trying to change the subject.Joan Conrowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00172330100788007499noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-30815214463339346562017-03-15T09:15:31.179-10:002017-03-15T09:15:31.179-10:00Just because CFS bullshitters claim to be grassroo...Just because CFS bullshitters claim to be grassroots advocates doesn't make pesticides safe. Conrow logic is getting more like Kellyanne Conway logic more and more each day.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-65763565131089886812017-03-15T07:39:12.123-10:002017-03-15T07:39:12.123-10:007:00am The Chen Companies? Have they all been acqu...7:00am The Chen Companies? Have they all been acquired by the Chinese? The companies you are probably referring to all publish annual reports and file 10K's with the SEC- in a more timely fashion than CFS. Don't be a slacker; go look for yourself.<br /><br />CFS expends a disproportionate amount of it's annual booty on its Hawaii office highlighting its need for policy "wins" and the better likelihood that they could gain them here than in a state with real "big ag". This is possible when so many people who have no experience at all with Hawaii's sugar/pineapple era have flooded in from urban areas importing their own peculiar anti-agricultural prejudices and baggage. Poipu, the north shore and other gilded enclaves are full of them. And Hawaii has always had a high gullibility rate when it comes to fast talking outsiders like Lukens whether they be missionaries or invidious bullshitters like her and Hooser . You can find a cozy little nest of them in the list of advisory members to the CFS Hawaii Office. <br /><br /> Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-71180391796912217672017-03-15T07:04:56.949-10:002017-03-15T07:04:56.949-10:00The "chem companies" aren't claiming...The "chem companies" aren't claiming to be grassroots, public advocates, nor are they operating under the 501(c)(3) tax-exempt status. What's more, they actually disclose their lobbying expenses.Joan Conrowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00172330100788007499noreply@blogger.com