tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post6137341282390218676..comments2023-10-17T04:51:08.765-10:00Comments on KauaiEclectic: Musings: Heat is OnJoan Conrowhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00172330100788007499noreply@blogger.comBlogger25125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-33939430268709030612009-11-28T06:08:31.007-10:002009-11-28T06:08:31.007-10:00If they are sited seaward of the shoreline, then i...If they are sited seaward of the shoreline, then it is outside the County's jurisdiction and the ordinance does not apply; however, they are situated landward of the shoreline, in the setback area, which is outside the high wash of waves. <br /><br />So, try again, DUH DUDE.<br />I'll try again... no certified shoreline, how do you know whether you are landward or seaward of the shoreline. who's jurisdiction, it is determined by the certified shoreline. Duh dudeAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-63813363367959469322009-11-27T09:40:36.056-10:002009-11-27T09:40:36.056-10:00If they are sited seaward of the shoreline, then i...If they are sited seaward of the shoreline, then it is outside the County's jurisdiction and the ordinance does not apply; however, they are situated landward of the shoreline, in the setback area, which is outside the high wash of waves. <br /><br />So, try again, DUH DUDE.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-59512493297853219852009-11-27T06:25:36.606-10:002009-11-27T06:25:36.606-10:00Tell me how does a certified shoreline effect the ...Tell me how does a certified shoreline effect the location of the tower when the purpose is to save lives in the ocean, therefore a coastally dependent structure?<br />Duh Dude again here, if the structure is sited seaward of the shoreline, when the high seasonal surf comes, it gets washed out overnight, and is banging on the reef, and that doesn't work. On the NS,The warning signs the lifeguards put up all over our beaches, were washed away over night, with the lifeguards only able to find one, the rest all are now on the reef, and in the ocean.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-22362914083383044852009-11-24T17:55:44.710-10:002009-11-24T17:55:44.710-10:00Tell me how does a certified shoreline effect the ...Tell me how does a certified shoreline effect the location of the tower when the purpose is to save lives in the ocean, therefore a coastally dependent structure?<br /><br />--good point. Anyone got an answer?<br /><br />November 24, 2009 8:56 AM<br /><br />-Too bad no answer here - I was really looking forward to the coastal advocates explaining this one to us. especially the Duh dude<br />from November 24, 2009 5:32 AM who I'm guessing did not read the ordinance or just doesn't know what the setback area is...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-51934391816861338172009-11-24T08:56:34.488-10:002009-11-24T08:56:34.488-10:00Tell me how does a certified shoreline effect the ...Tell me how does a certified shoreline effect the location of the tower when the purpose is to save lives in the ocean, therefore a coastally dependent structure?<br /><br />--good point. Anyone got an answer?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-6763815264063529212009-11-24T07:33:21.804-10:002009-11-24T07:33:21.804-10:00“So what do you think it will take for people to m...“So what do you think it will take for people to make that shift?” I asked Andy as we walked.<br /><br />People like you to change the law, petition a bill, do something to make a difference on whatever scale you as an individual can do and/or others can do.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-80053135400880859212009-11-24T06:20:53.134-10:002009-11-24T06:20:53.134-10:00November 24, 2009 5:32 AM
What is your definition...November 24, 2009 5:32 AM<br /><br />What is your definition of the setback area? My understanding is the setback area is outside of the high wash of waves and on a slid sled to move in storm events so that it doesn't get washed out.<br /><br />Tell me how does a certified shoreline effect the location of the tower when the purpose is to save lives in the ocean, therefore a coastally dependent structure?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-8202971327846891012009-11-24T05:32:26.128-10:002009-11-24T05:32:26.128-10:00Why, would a thing or activity that is allowed in ...Why, would a thing or activity that is allowed in the setback area, such as a life guard stand, need a certified shoreline survey? <br />Duh, so they don't get washed away in the waves... So the lifeguard stand is not swept out to sea to bang on the reef.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-65309119117793557922009-11-23T20:44:01.976-10:002009-11-23T20:44:01.976-10:00If your shoreline property is 120 feet average dep...If your shoreline property is 120 feet average depth and the setback, based on your erosion rate is -1.1 per year, the setback would be 117 feet, unless you pay for an EA and receive a variance from the Planning Commission, while agreeing not to rebuild.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-37010510306239889512009-11-23T20:36:18.091-10:002009-11-23T20:36:18.091-10:00Why, would a thing or activity that is allowed in ...Why, would a thing or activity that is allowed in the setback area, such as a life guard stand, need a certified shoreline survey? <br /><br />What difference does it make if it is a movable, temporary structure, like a picnic table?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-82232662916109241382009-11-23T20:08:07.167-10:002009-11-23T20:08:07.167-10:00Funny how Kauai has such a progressive setback ord...Funny how Kauai has such a progressive setback ordinance on the one hand and on the other the county wants exemption from shoreline certification process.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-2421476231035996232009-11-23T19:56:27.451-10:002009-11-23T19:56:27.451-10:00While Kauai has one of the most progressive, scien...While Kauai has one of the most progressive, science based setback ordinances in the U.S. - none of the houses in the Wainiha Subdivision area used the progressive erosion based setback, the few developed or being planned since the ordinance became law have used the default minimum depth based rate, which is far less than the erosion rate setback would be.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-86531359124119111312009-11-23T18:27:14.208-10:002009-11-23T18:27:14.208-10:00"Oh, I see Dawson, you don't believe in t...<i>"Oh, I see Dawson, you don't believe in the Constitution of the United States nor capitalism."</i><br /><br />Wrong. I believe in them both.<br /><br />But unlike you defenders of Business As Usual, I don't use them as justification for robbing the future to feed the greed of the present.Dawsonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-59075729621423869902009-11-23T12:44:10.310-10:002009-11-23T12:44:10.310-10:00Evidence in Dr. Fletcher's Blue Line movie ind...Evidence in Dr. Fletcher's Blue Line movie indicated that those areas of elevation > 3 ft msl will not be affected by the coastal inundation. <br /><br />Therefore, some of the coastal path will be just find - i.e. Donkeys Beach to Kapa'a town (it does appear that Kapa'a town will be in the inundation zone within the next 100 years).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-52866867849883405012009-11-23T12:33:32.439-10:002009-11-23T12:33:32.439-10:00However, Dr. Fletcher was asked, during the modera...However, Dr. Fletcher was asked, during the moderated portion of the conference, about the Wailua coastal path location specifically.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-53327946070799660762009-11-23T11:46:23.033-10:002009-11-23T11:46:23.033-10:00im pretty sure this guy had said that sections of ...<em> im pretty sure this guy had said that sections of it might only last X number of years. i dont believe he was speaking of the entire item. big difference of course</em><br /><br />He was speaking about those sections that run along the coast.Joan Conrowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00172330100788007499noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-66912514481852604342009-11-23T11:36:20.810-10:002009-11-23T11:36:20.810-10:00"Chip told them that a coastal path is not li..."Chip told them that a coastal path is not likely — even in the best scenario — to last more than a few decades."<br /><br />-- im pretty sure this guy had said that sections of it might only last X number of years. i dont believe he was speaking of the entire item. big difference of course<br /><br /><br />"Kauai's setback ordinances can only be called "progressive" in a culture that routinely sells its resources -- physical or aesthetic; of the past, present or future -- to the highest bidder, for the benefit of the current elite."<br /><br />-- just fyi, in its current form the setback is actually pretty progressive<br /><br /><br />dwpsAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-23122874459697463842009-11-23T11:32:24.906-10:002009-11-23T11:32:24.906-10:00Oh, I see Dawson, you don't believe in the Con...Oh, I see Dawson, you don't believe in the Constitution of the United States nor capitalism.<br /><br />So cute, you live in a fantasy, and try to play in the real world - keep trying - its amusing to read your struggle with reality.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-77141198172035221972009-11-23T11:00:21.850-10:002009-11-23T11:00:21.850-10:00"Kauai has, at this time, one of the most pro...<i>"Kauai has, at this time, one of the most progressive, science based setback ordinances in the U.S."</i><br /><br />Kauai's setback ordinances can only be called "progressive" in a culture that routinely sells its resources -- physical or aesthetic; of the past, present or future -- to the highest bidder, for the benefit of the current elite.Dawsonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-73525264654905403012009-11-23T10:51:01.594-10:002009-11-23T10:51:01.594-10:00No, you are incorrect Dawson, please familiarize y...No, you are incorrect Dawson, please familiarize youself with the law.<br /><br />Perhaps re-read the 5th and 14th Amendments to the Constitution.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-83092696433839570902009-11-23T10:33:06.292-10:002009-11-23T10:33:06.292-10:00"Looks like Mother Nature will eventually tak...<i>"Looks like Mother Nature will eventually take out Joe Brescia’s house atop the burials, but ya gotta wonder why the county and state are still letting people build so damn close to the water there."</i><br /><br />They do it because it's in their own best interests as tax collectors, power brokers and money mongers. Our leaders are loyal to the culture of Grab All You Can Today. They won't be around when the fossil fuels are gone and the ice caps have melted.Dawsonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-86807268139688065902009-11-23T10:23:35.178-10:002009-11-23T10:23:35.178-10:00"but ya gotta wonder why the county and state..."but ya gotta wonder why the county and state are still letting people build so damn close to the water there"<br /><br />Pretty sure its called private property rights and until either a federal land use law is passed and or FEMA stops paying individuals to rebuild their multi-million dollar homes - your bau will continue.<br /><br />Kauai has, at this time, one of the most progressive, science based setback ordinances in the U.S. - so those homes are not as close as they may be other places even within this state.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-55635124686669437762009-11-23T10:14:24.518-10:002009-11-23T10:14:24.518-10:00Sea level rise...
That should take care of the co...Sea level rise...<br /><br />That should take care of the coastal burial isues. They are all ready eroding out of the dunes in Haena and Kapa'a. <br /><br />Unless, they move them to higher ground.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-75675533447395669712009-11-23T10:02:28.332-10:002009-11-23T10:02:28.332-10:00Nice summary of the challenge of climate change.
...Nice summary of the challenge of climate change.<br /><br />The movie of sea level change shows that basically all coastal farm land would be lost. I hadn't appreciated that before...Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04387735600809559417noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-41177403464588077502009-11-23T09:56:05.892-10:002009-11-23T09:56:05.892-10:00“So what do you think it will take for people to m...“So what do you think it will take for people to make that shift?”<br /><br />Learning where and how to operate the AC on-off switch would be a good start.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com