tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post625667728811834859..comments2023-10-17T04:51:08.765-10:00Comments on KauaiEclectic: Musings: Reframing the DebateJoan Conrowhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00172330100788007499noreply@blogger.comBlogger65125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-61468475625208786612015-12-07T14:13:52.299-10:002015-12-07T14:13:52.299-10:00talking about the star tulsi gabbard. here's...talking about the star tulsi gabbard. here's a person who won her seat through the hard work of democrats across Hawaii. what does one say about a person who turns her back on the party that got her elected including her trashy comments about the president of this country? disloyal, self serving, untrustworthy, unworthy, are the kindest terms one can use for a double crosser like tulsi.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-14439008171460675002015-12-07T14:13:44.718-10:002015-12-07T14:13:44.718-10:00talking about the star tulsi gabbard. here's...talking about the star tulsi gabbard. here's a person who won her seat through the hard work of democrats across Hawaii. what does one say about a person who turns her back on the party that got her elected including her trashy comments about the president of this country? disloyal, self serving, untrustworthy, unworthy, are the kindest terms one can use for a double crosser like tulsi.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-79688760142269081802015-12-01T06:48:05.377-10:002015-12-01T06:48:05.377-10:0010:27
It's perfectly consistent to feel that ...10:27<br /><br />It's perfectly consistent to feel that ignorant people weighing in is dangerous and also support democratic principles.<br /><br />Your assumption is apparently that the only answer to ignorant people participating is to remove those people from the debate (which, of course, would be anti-democratic).<br /><br />A democratically-inclined person would, instead, assume that the best response would be to educate and remove the <i>ignorance</i> from the debate, simultaneously improving the quality of discourse and further empowering the participants.<br /><br />Lest you also assume that education equates to handing One True Answer down from on high, please note that education is not the same as advocacy. A clear view of all facts does not mean that the debate is automatically resolved. Facts, after all, do not dictate the personal and cultural values by which each person weighs their position relative to any given issue.<br /><br />On the other hand, deliberately spreading misinformation--even if doing so while encouraging participation--is anathema to democracy, and such behavior is ethically reprehensible to supporters of democracy, as misinforming an individual is an attempt to effectively disenfranchise them.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-3879209471764902332015-11-26T04:33:43.966-10:002015-11-26T04:33:43.966-10:00You were misstating my opinion when you said, &quo...You were misstating my opinion when you said, " Joan has made her anti-democratic views quite clear. She would not allow people she deems uninformed to participate in the debate." And yes, you are again misstating my view when you say, "like voting, for example." I have never said anything about restricting anyone's voting rights. Joan Conrowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00172330100788007499noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-29366147596250566962015-11-25T22:27:27.550-10:002015-11-25T22:27:27.550-10:006:15. If you want to state your opinion, fine. But...6:15. If you want to state your opinion, fine. But don't misstate mine.<br />8:44 - Here is your exact quote : "Joan Conrow said...<br />3:20. I'd say it's equally if not more dangerous to have seriously ignorant people weighing in on a debate when they obviously don't have a clue." and that was in response to this "It's very dangerous to have just a few select corporations to have total control of the worlds food supply." <br /><br />Am I misstating your opinion when I say you think ignorant people weighing in (like voting for example) is "more dangerous" than having a few select corporations have total control over the food supply? If so how am I misstating your opinion and what do you mean?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-75871098789348699412015-11-25T20:44:40.269-10:002015-11-25T20:44:40.269-10:006:15. If you want to state your opinion, fine. But...6:15. If you want to state your opinion, fine. But don't misstate mine. Joan Conrowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00172330100788007499noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-33480888337101595842015-11-25T18:15:16.823-10:002015-11-25T18:15:16.823-10:006:48 and 4:53 These corporations knowingly and wit...6:48 and 4:53 These corporations knowingly and with lack of due diligence allow their non-sentient agents (GMOs) to trespass onto non-GMO farmer's lands and then sue the farmers for theft of patented seeds because they didn't pay for the seeds. Labeling food allows people to make informed choices. Labeling does not force anyone. Joan has made her anti-democratic views quite clear. She would not allow people she deems uninformed to participate in the debate. They tried that in the racists states with literacy tests to prevent people from voting. People that would limit democratic choice are the fascists, not those advocating expanding choices. Lets not let people know what we are doing, contaminate their crops, and lie about spying on them. Yeah that's the ticket!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-83776392454390790022015-11-25T13:28:23.298-10:002015-11-25T13:28:23.298-10:00I eat gmo and I see nothing wrong with labeling fo...I eat gmo and I see nothing wrong with labeling food. People have the right to know what they eat.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-27410415723587644052015-11-24T16:53:20.972-10:002015-11-24T16:53:20.972-10:00PS - 9:11 AM complained about "charging for f...PS - 9:11 AM complained about "charging for food". You mean food has been FREE all this time? Shoots! I'm going over to Whole Foods right now to demand the free food you're talking about!!! Mahalo for the heads up! Or will the Center for Food Safety be handing it out? Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-51068689799349259442015-11-24T16:48:51.936-10:002015-11-24T16:48:51.936-10:009:11 AM - You're reading stuff into those stat...9:11 AM - You're reading stuff into those statements that isn't there. Are you complaining that people have OPTIONS to buy the organic seed they've been using for decades and suffering from drought, insects, and disease OR paying a little more and getting seeds that will survive and yield healthy crops/produce. Like Joan said, I guess the Left has forgotten what LIBERAL means. It's becoming FACIST by attempting to force people to only make the choices the LEFT, in their infinite wisdom, permits these people to make. I guess the far Right is correct in that they've been warning for years that the Left is no longer about liberty, but all about socialism and fascism. The Nazi Left! Who knew? The Right certainly did!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-22303808834171447262015-11-24T09:11:27.604-10:002015-11-24T09:11:27.604-10:00Anonymous said...
Sorry 6:43 PM but that link... Anonymous said...<br /><br /> Sorry 6:43 PM but that link does say anything about controlling the world's food supplies. Maybe it does to the paranoid mind, but not the normal ones.<br /><br />Yes it does say something about controlling the worlds food supply, if by control you mean charging for food. ISAAA says "by facilitating the transfer of technologies to developing countries through public-private partnerships, ISAAA has established its role and contribution in world efforts to help achieve agricultural sustainability and development." <br /><br />By this ISAAA mean using public educational institutions to acquire and privatize patents and then sell them back at a profit to the public which is now paying for them twice and forever. Slick dez public sector buggas!<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-44770473546129641602015-11-24T08:11:02.055-10:002015-11-24T08:11:02.055-10:00My goodness! You mean the organic food industry i...My goodness! You mean the organic food industry isn't honest???<br /><br />Star-Adv 11/23/15: <br /><br />"The ERS was also just appointed lead plaintiff in a case against Whole Foods, and the pension fund will soon file an amended complaint against the the grocery retailer, Aburano said.<br /><br />An initial lawsuit filed against Whole Foods in Texas alleges the company violated securities laws by concealing that it was overcharging customers. When those allegations surfaced, the controversy reduced both retail sales and the share price of the company, according to the Texas case. Whole Foods executives have denied the allegations."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-18913454111793939492015-11-24T07:53:06.923-10:002015-11-24T07:53:06.923-10:00Sorry 6:43 PM but that link does say anything abou...Sorry 6:43 PM but that link does say anything about controlling the world's food supplies. Maybe it does to the paranoid mind, but not the normal ones.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-75164624561764039222015-11-24T02:42:49.312-10:002015-11-24T02:42:49.312-10:006.15 Where is your proof that there are plans to &...6.15 Where is your proof that there are plans to "GMO" all these foods you name? Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-63989436998130749012015-11-23T23:53:59.901-10:002015-11-23T23:53:59.901-10:00actually, salmon is not just "important"...actually, salmon is not just "important" to native american cultures. on the contrary, salmon is an integral part of several northern california tribes' sacred rituals, religious, and spiritual world view (please see Yurok, Wiyot, Hupa, and Karuk - World Renewal Ceremony). if you are ever in Arcata, California, visit the "Potawot Health Clinic" where you can see an amazing painting/mural depicting this. or even better yet, plan a trip to witness the ceremony itself. thank you for your time Joan!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-29820105224342210422015-11-23T20:47:00.569-10:002015-11-23T20:47:00.569-10:00I'm torn. I really admire Joan's reportin...I'm torn. I really admire Joan's reporting. She once interviewed me for an hour, took the slightest of notes but gave me her full attention, and produced an article on my work that amazed me in its thoroughness and accuracy in relating the exchange we had. She is a remarkable listener and a talented and worthy writer-- a rarity in the Kaua`i media. I appreciate that she vets the comments, sparing us from the thoughtless drivel people are so want to spew out without nearly as much thought to their ideas and content as they put into finding the letters they touch on their devices. I like that she allows the comments of the writer who is so arrogant as to feel he or she does not need any of the conventions of grammar that allow for clear communication to hinder his/her free flow of "thought." But I want her to silence that arrogant ignorance as much as I love that she displays it. <br />Markhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16204770806179809353noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-56430733586733628872015-11-23T18:43:25.834-10:002015-11-23T18:43:25.834-10:006:19 You want proof? These guys are trying to grab...6:19 You want proof? These guys are trying to grab everything and fleece poor farmers the International Service for the Acquisition of Agri-biotech Applications (ISAAA) right here. Read and weep http://www.isaaa.org/inbrief/default.asp<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-47857559261184147322015-11-23T18:19:52.432-10:002015-11-23T18:19:52.432-10:001:58 - I'd say you're the one who has to p...1:58 - I'd say you're the one who has to prove your outrageous allegations of a great conspiracy to control the world's food supply. And try to cite websites other than your chemtrail GMO bullshit conspiracy cites. Ahhh...but you can't. Because it's bullshit! Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-71775574627156251452015-11-23T18:15:38.635-10:002015-11-23T18:15:38.635-10:00but can you answer the rest what about trying to g...but can you answer the rest what about trying to gmo every food that we eat and take over the worlds food supply and btw i meant it the other way i see what ur saying but come on everyone knows that lots of ppl that prefer a healthier diet and organic food ie non gmo eat salmon as an alternative to gmp fed beef and chicken and ahnother thing you can farm tilhahphia and salmon jhuhst fine without it being gmo labeling for salmon raised this way that has been genetically artificially altered with or without different species and or genetic material should be disclosed completely through the entire manufacturing chain i still say gmo companies are after the healthy natural food spectrum chasing down each food as people scramble to try and eat ingrehdients that have not yet been gmo there are plans to gmo sweet potato kale leafy dark greens quinwa flax seed and even coconuts and bananas avocadoes and nuts used for making gluten free flours and plants used in making palm oil and also plans to gmo the olives used for making olive oil and hemp as well these items are all important to the healthy natural food movement and gmos are systematically going after each one they wont stop until there is not a nut fruit seed vegetable grain or animal thes companies have not gmo and this is what i object to the taking over of all food and agriculture and seeds on the planet copyrighting all plant and animal life on the planet and using their billions of dollars to crush any dissent against them by suing regular people farmers towns business and states and even countries that dare to stand up to them. convince me this isn't happening because i truly want to b shown facts data and statements from the owners of these places that it isn't i really really do because if all of this is really what the plan is we are all in very deep kimchee sugar vinegar chilies and cabbage all gmo is this pono i don't think soAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-57408834315067376502015-11-23T17:25:17.562-10:002015-11-23T17:25:17.562-10:00I don't dispute that salmon are important to N...I don't dispute that salmon are important to Native American cultures. But salmon is not like kalo, in terms of the Hawaiian creation myth that holds the first kanaka descended from Haloa, a kalo plant.Joan Conrowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00172330100788007499noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-83336879723706493222015-11-23T13:58:42.726-10:002015-11-23T13:58:42.726-10:00so i agree with the comments that say gmos want to...so i agree with the comments that say gmos want to control the worlds food supply and gmo everything i put in my mouth hire people to write stuff about how great gmo is and how dumb anyone who doesn't want to eat gmos and is trying to shut down all resistance to them and how is this good for me again and what evidence in this blog does anyone have that anything i wrote is wrong i have not heard a single thing that can debunk it ever show me facts is not true Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-43850881195366241582015-11-23T10:10:51.129-10:002015-11-23T10:10:51.129-10:00Isn't salmon to Native Americans like taro to ...Isn't salmon to Native Americans like taro to the Hawaiian people?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-85013106159674162052015-11-23T06:48:14.673-10:002015-11-23T06:48:14.673-10:00Perhaps comments posted after the cocktail hour(s)...Perhaps comments posted after the cocktail hour(s) like 10:15PM's shouldn't be posted. Had 10:15 read any of the cases complained about, especially the Schmeiser and Bowman anti-Monsanto "poster child" cases, that asinine and pointless diatribe might never have been written. On the other side of 10:15's equation are the estimated 90% of corn, canola and soy farms planting GE seeds- for which they signed use agreements to plant the seeds. Justice is too precious to be left to a mob of dingbats, and politicians are elected. Elections, however, are open to dingbats They even win sometimes, but fortunately rarely meet the qualifications for appointment to the bench.Thank goodness for the separation of powers. <br /><br />Read more: http://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/12pdf/11-796_c07d.pdf <br /> http://scc-csc.lexum.com/scc-csc/scc-csc/en/item/2147/index.do Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-52426154099141186992015-11-23T00:51:32.853-10:002015-11-23T00:51:32.853-10:00Hey, if you don't want to eat genetically enha...Hey, if you don't want to eat genetically enhanced salmon, just don't eat farmed fish. It's not that hard to do. Meanwhile, as wild fish populations shrink, creating the best farmed fish we can is about the only option. Anyone else remember when tilapia were considered junk and useful only as bait? Now they show up in gourmet shops. And increasingly come from fish farms.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-25053953769391014072015-11-22T22:15:25.420-10:002015-11-22T22:15:25.420-10:00Monsanto Sues Farmers for 16 Straight Years over G...Monsanto Sues Farmers for 16 Straight Years over GMOs, NEVER Loses<br /><br />Where is the justice? Since 1997, Monsanto has filed 145 lawsuits, or on average about 9 lawsuits every year for 16 straight years, against farmers who have “improperly reused their patented seeds.”<br /><br />The biotech giant hasn’t lost a single case, either. Not one. This includes when farmers tried to sue Monsanto over cross-pollination of their organic crops with GMO seed. For example, a federal court dismissed one of those cases, saying that it couldn’t protect Monsanto against unfair lawsuits should they side in the farmers’ favor.<br /><br />What about unfair business practices? What about 92% of people saying they want their food labeled if it contains genetically modified ingredients? What about the right of farmers to grow food from seed that hasn’t been altered to turn it into a DNA freak show?<br /><br />The lawsuit representing over 300,000 farmers who wanted the right to grow organic food was also dismissed on the grounds that the plaintiffs had been sued by Monsanto! The judge said the farmers’ reasons for suing the biotech giant were ‘unsubstantiated.’ When Monsanto released a statement to the press, they said the plaintiffs had:<br /><br />If these facts are representative of a country that has utterly lost its governing bodies to thieves and murderers, then I don’t know what it will take to recover our food supply.<br /><br />Monsanto was given a foot in the door back in 1930 with the Plant Patent Act. Patents – whether on new plants or biotech traits – allow the creator of the technology the opportunity to commercialize their innovation and to obtain a return on their investment of time and money.<br /><br />And while plant patents aren’t all bad, Monsanto and biotech have turned Mother Nature on her head. Seed patents to this extent should never have been allowed to happen. Monsanto isn’t even protecting their ‘intellectual’ property any more, they are grossly infringing on farmers’ rights to grow good food.<br /><br />Our courts are even telling organic farmers they have to rely on Monsanto’s assurances on the company’s website that it will not sue them so long as the mix of GMO to non-GMO is very slight, but what if they don’t want a mix at all? Monsanto can’t control wind, rain, pollinating insects, and cross-contamination carried out by nature for neighboring farms.<br /><br />All Monsanto politicians and Supreme Court justices need to fired – immediately. They are no longer ‘for the people’, if they ever were.<br /><br /><br /><br />Read more: http://naturalsociety.com/monsanto-sued-farmers-16-years-gmos-never-lost/#ixzz3sIgwLYFq <br />Follow us: @naturalsociety on Twitter | NaturalSociety on Facebook<br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com