tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post6370490276158060605..comments2023-10-17T04:51:08.765-10:00Comments on KauaiEclectic: Musings: As My Mama Used to SayJoan Conrowhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00172330100788007499noreply@blogger.comBlogger36125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-39967799541550290162016-02-12T21:21:31.157-10:002016-02-12T21:21:31.157-10:00"Agent Orange was manufactured for the U.S. D..."Agent Orange was manufactured for the U.S. Department of Defense primarily by Monsanto Corporation and Dow Chemical." It was put out for bids, and DOD purchased from several sources. The basic components of agent orange weren't the problem. It was a manufacturing byproduct - dioxin - that caused the problems. It took awhile to uncover the culprit byproduct. Which company and which batches had significant levels of dioxin was difficult to discover at such a late date. There were military units that handled and stored agent orange with no physical problems. It's not so black/white when delving into the actual situation. <br /><br />Ultimately, the big companies paid big bucks without accepting fault. And why not since it was never proved who did what as the product wasn't tested for dioxin when received in different batches from different sources. I know people will argue this forever, but it remains true that agent orange properly manufactured was not the source of health problems. However, debate about the ethics of defoliation and/or poor quality control is certainly worth having. <br /> Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-42177389926492596572016-02-12T11:02:16.976-10:002016-02-12T11:02:16.976-10:00Agriculture is in bigger trouble than from a bunch...Agriculture is in bigger trouble than from a bunch of overweight "babes", the Tax Cheat Hooser or the misnamed CFS. Ag has to deal with State regulators and courts over the most important resource necessary for farming: water. <br /><br />http://www.staradvertiser.com/hawaii-news/temporary-permits-for-stream-use-last-years/<br /><br />No wonder farms are struggling and going broke in this anti-everything State. Our local government speaks out of both sides of it's mouth when it says it wants to preserve agriculture yet gleefully dumps killing regulations on it. Manawaihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14534748612454568095noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-18778646081732473432016-02-12T08:58:06.584-10:002016-02-12T08:58:06.584-10:00Why don't these toots in boots go after all th...Why don't these toots in boots go after all the meth and heroin dealers in Kauai and the state of Hawaii.<br /><br />That's the people and criminal organizations that killing the people of Kauai and the state of Hawaii.<br /><br />Fuck the drug syndicates and anyone who supports them. Destroy all of them and their families.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-80843240771450016712016-02-12T03:58:28.789-10:002016-02-12T03:58:28.789-10:00Especially when the large block of words is word s...Especially when the large block of words is word salad. My GASB before the end of the first paragraph where they talked about Monsanto being forced to produce agent orange for the federal government. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11553534513992452534noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-78390579904879652162016-02-11T19:20:33.650-10:002016-02-11T19:20:33.650-10:002/11 @ 1:29 PM, what is your point? Do you think ...2/11 @ 1:29 PM, what is your point? Do you think copying and pasting a large block of text makes it self-evident? Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-12843866240796978132016-02-11T13:29:02.800-10:002016-02-11T13:29:02.800-10:00Where did pesticides come from? Where did GMO comp...Where did pesticides come from? Where did GMO companies come from? Do you turncoats know the difference?<br /><br />Agent Orange<br />For other uses, see Agent Orange (disambiguation).<br /><br />U.S. Army Huey helicopter spraying Agent Orange over Vietnamese agricultural land.<br />Agent Orange—or Herbicide Orange (HO)—is one of the herbicides and defoliants used by the U.S. military as part of its herbicidal warfare program, Operation Ranch Hand,[1] during the Vietnam War from 1961 to 1971.[2] It was a mixture of equal parts of two herbicides, 2,4,5-T and 2,4-D.<br /><br />During the late 1940s and 1950s, the US and British collaborated on development of herbicides with potential applications in warfare. Some of those products were brought to market as herbicides. The British were the first to employ herbicides and defoliants to destroy the crops, bushes, and trees of communist insurgents in Malaya during the Malayan Emergency. These operations laid the groundwork for the subsequent use of Agent Orange and other defoliant formulations by the US.[3]<br /><br />In mid-1961, President Ngo Dinh Diem of South Vietnam asked the United States to conduct aerial herbicide spraying in his country. In August of that year, the South Vietnamese Air Force initiated herbicide operations with American help. But Diem's request launched a policy debate in the White House and the State and Defense Departments.[1] However, U.S. officials considered using it, pointing out that the British had already used herbicides and defoliants during the Malayan Emergency in the 1950s. In November 1961, President John F. Kennedy authorized the start of Operation Ranch Hand, the codename for the U.S. Air Force's herbicide program in Vietnam.<br /><br />Agent Orange was manufactured for the U.S. Department of Defense primarily by Monsanto Corporation and Dow Chemical.[4]:6 It was given its name from the color of the orange-striped barrels in which it was shipped, and was by far the most widely used of the so-called "Rainbow Herbicides".[5] The 2,4,5-T used to produce Agent Orange was contaminated with 2,3,7,8-Tetrachlorodibenzodioxin (TCDD), an extremely toxic dioxin compound. In some areas, TCDD concentrations in soil and water were hundreds of times greater than the levels considered safe by the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency.[6][7]<br /><br />In the absence of specific customary or positive international humanitarian law regarding herbicidal warfare, a draft convention, prepared by a Working Group set up within the Conference of the Committee on Disarmament (CCD), was submitted to the UN General Assembly in 1976. In that same year, the First Committee of the General Assembly decided to send the text of the draft convention to the General Assembly, which adopted Resolution 31/72 on December 10, 1976, with the text of the Convention attached as an annex thereto. The convention, namely the Environmental Modification Convention, was opened for signature and ratification on May 18, 1977, and entered into force in October 5, 1978. The convention prohibits the military or other hostile use of environmental modification techniques having widespread, long-lasting or severe effects. Many states do not regard this as a complete ban on the use of herbicides and defoliants in warfare but it does require case-by-case consideration.[8][9]<br /><br />Although in the Geneva Disarmament Convention of 1978, Article 2(4) Protocol III to the weaponry convention has "The Jungle Exception", which prohibits states from attacking forests or jungles "except if such natural elements are used to cover, conceal or camouflage combatants or military objectives or are military objectives themselves" this voids any protection of any military or civilians from a napalm attack or something like agent Orange and is clear that it was designed to cater to situations like U.S. tactics in Vietnam. This clause has yet to be revised.[10]Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-11710833339867784212016-02-11T11:22:52.056-10:002016-02-11T11:22:52.056-10:002/11 @ 9 AM do you believe the cause to be somethi...2/11 @ 9 AM do you believe the cause to be something other than pesticides, and where did this occur?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-68652021346283860522016-02-11T10:47:45.827-10:002016-02-11T10:47:45.827-10:00It takes 7 - 14 days for Guinea grass to die after...It takes 7 - 14 days for Guinea grass to die after being sprayed. Better eat you something fast.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-70881464062910592092016-02-11T09:00:59.629-10:002016-02-11T09:00:59.629-10:00I didn't because I was a young and naive soldi...I didn't because I was a young and naive soldier who wanted to better myself and not fall into the same cycle as the kids on Kauai do each and every year.<br /><br />It's worst than pesticides and it was created by one of the big 5 Toxic chemical/biological companies.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-51777121827968249612016-02-11T08:47:36.644-10:002016-02-11T08:47:36.644-10:002/11 @8:29 am, did you see an opthalmologist at th...2/11 @8:29 am, did you see an opthalmologist at the time? If so did they diagnose the cause as related to pesticides?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-10510034851132066232016-02-11T08:47:26.217-10:002016-02-11T08:47:26.217-10:002/11 @8:29 am, did you see an opthalmologist at th...2/11 @8:29 am, did you see an opthalmologist at the time? If so did they diagnose the cause as related to pesticides?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-72576341216429643542016-02-11T08:35:27.593-10:002016-02-11T08:35:27.593-10:00Last numbers I looked at were 2007 and they said t...Last numbers I looked at were 2007 and they said the big 4 seed companies had 4100 acres total, but employed 77% of the agricultural work force. Hawaii can't afford to lose the seed companies. All other sectors of Hawaii agriculture are declining at an annual rate of 0.7% a year. That number will take a huge jump with the last sugar plantation closing. People my not like the seed companies spraying by schools, but the alternative is the schools closing and kids getting bused to another town/school when/if they leave. Realtors may drool at the property, but they'll have fewer people to sell to without the seed companies. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11553534513992452534noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-8089897464292276722016-02-11T08:34:53.024-10:002016-02-11T08:34:53.024-10:00Joni was enrolled in a 12-week Fellowship, during ...Joni was enrolled in a 12-week Fellowship, during which she received a small stipend. That's over now. She doesn't get any money from them currently, and my work as a blogger is not now and has not ever been, funded by the Alliance, nor do they fund the work of any other Hawaii bloggers.Joan Conrowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00172330100788007499noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-5279481518498519442016-02-11T08:29:50.276-10:002016-02-11T08:29:50.276-10:00I'll tell you how fast toxic chemicals work. O...I'll tell you how fast toxic chemicals work. One week I could see 300 meters and the next week I could barely see 250 meters and this is when I was 19 yrs old. Eye sight degraded in a week is a lifetime toxic concern.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-24488099408478669342016-02-11T08:24:27.780-10:002016-02-11T08:24:27.780-10:00Give me a break Joan. It has been published by Co...Give me a break Joan. It has been published by Cornell itself that Joni has accepted money from them and is enrolled in their program. Her and other Hawaii bloggers such as yourself are all part of their effort. You have admitted this in the past, why hide from it now? Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-54690896740151120002016-02-11T07:36:40.324-10:002016-02-11T07:36:40.324-10:00The very first lie is the title of this organizati...The very first lie is the title of this organization; BABS being associated with "Babes". Now I have nothing against robust women, but to use the word "babe" to describe Nomi is a pretty big stretch. She's more apt to represent Krispy Kreme than an anti-biotech organization. No wonder the calendar sales have been slim ... because that's the only thing that's slim with this group. Maybe HAPA could be the acronym for Handsome (men) Against Pesticides and Agriculture featuring Gary Hooser on the calendar, or Gerard Depardieu if Da Hoos is too modest.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-45778265436005970902016-02-11T07:10:26.072-10:002016-02-11T07:10:26.072-10:00Why would she admit something that isn't true,...Why would she admit something that isn't true, 7:07? Joan Conrowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00172330100788007499noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-27689283255577606642016-02-11T07:07:40.381-10:002016-02-11T07:07:40.381-10:00Joni why don't you admit you also have a payin...Joni why don't you admit you also have a paying gig with the Cornell Alliance for Science?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-27719665186838774112016-02-11T06:35:24.294-10:002016-02-11T06:35:24.294-10:00The Waimea kids are healthy. My family has gone to...The Waimea kids are healthy. My family has gone to Kekaha Westside schools for 90 years. No cancer. As a matter of fact, all of them have been cheating Social Security for thirty years or more. All in their late 80s and 90s and the youngsters at 70 or so. Kukai ditches, mosquito fogs, paraquat And dust And Smoke so thick you could eat it. And then there were the rats and bugs that came form the cane when it was burned. <br /><br />The real cancers are the skin cancers from too much sun...ask any local fair skin (including the NS transplant Fistees) and the old time Portagees.<br /><br />JoAnn's Bus System on the westside is set up for these active old folks, all from Cane.<br /><br />Let Nomi have her day in the sun. Pictures are great, she is attractive. The sweet flower of budding youth don't last that long. If she got it, let her show it. And she got it. <br /><br />At the end of the day there won't be any money anyway. Big Ag will dwindle and the westside will become estate homes and great little beach cottages. <br />Teach yer kids how for sell real estate. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-10410244568364182042016-02-11T05:08:30.775-10:002016-02-11T05:08:30.775-10:00It depends on the crop. For wheat, barley, and oa...It depends on the crop. For wheat, barley, and oats: it's 14 days by the label. What longer if you encounter cool, cloudy weather. Since RR soybeans need to metabolize the Roundup, you need to wait 30 before harvest. Unless you spray them after they're mature, then it's 14 days. Corn can be spayed at brown silk, but can't be spray during pollination because the Roundup will kill the silks. Also, use drop nozzles after v6.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11553534513992452534noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-83151019412898528072016-02-10T22:15:25.294-10:002016-02-10T22:15:25.294-10:00Nomi is just a distraction (Babes Against Biotech ...Nomi is just a distraction (Babes Against Biotech is too). Who knows she may be brilliant, but we need to let her grow into it. Posting a pic instead of her testimony just shows where her priorities are or she only posted it in privacy. Our complaint about BABS is that they don't represent our community. The Center For Food Safety and Ashley Lukens doesn't either. BABS is working with some other crazy love environment types to stop aquariu fishing when clearly the pound for pound of aquarium fish is nothing compared to fish we eat. <br />As for pesticides no one is ever happy. Companies are trying to work with communities and people. There is frustration on both sides. <br />People don't want companies spraying, companies stop and they mow it, dust gets complaints so they stop and let weeds grow, weeds stink and they find out it gives reactions similar to pesticides, but companies can't spray mow so what now? Burn? Burning down on western part of Kauai would cause fires. What is the solution? What do these people want? They ultimately want seed companies out. When they are out there will be another big company who can afford to lease or even buy. Buy it up and build hotels and apartments that would guarantee degrade the landscape and pollute the waters even more. Think twice. You want seed companies for more people on island? Can see the realtors just drooling and waiting! Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-44468607688150954612016-02-10T22:01:49.148-10:002016-02-10T22:01:49.148-10:00Ya, new pic. Naommi's been showing us she'...Ya, new pic. Naommi's been showing us she's a good eater.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-37549637183366448182016-02-10T21:46:32.135-10:002016-02-10T21:46:32.135-10:00Oh, Nomi. Her screeds against me still remains po...Oh, Nomi. Her screeds against me still remains posted. If you need proof of someone so deluded to think I'm only attacking her, get real. She will be held accountable for what she says. Thank goodness she dropped the hold on my domain name. The foreign dude funding her has probably decided to invest with Ashley instead.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14375769781234783192noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-67474134683386065232016-02-10T19:35:16.057-10:002016-02-10T19:35:16.057-10:00I like State senator Will Espero.
Legislators ...I like State senator Will Espero.<br /> <br /> <br />Legislators seek more law enforcement oversight<br />Keoki Kerr<br />Feb 10, 2016 06:55 PM<br />HONOLULU (HawaiiNewsNow) - Hawaii is the only state in the country without a statewide agency that sets standards and training requirements for law enforcement officers.<br /><br />But that could change if one of two proposals before the state Legislature is approved this year.<br /><br />Efforts to pass a statewide set of standards for police officers, deputy sheriffs and others have failed at the Legislature in recent years under opposition from the politically powerful police union and the Honolulu Police Department, which says its training standards meet or exceed those used by other states' standards agencies.<br /><br />Some state lawmakers said recent examples of law enforcement misbehavior show a need for statewide standards.<br /><br />In recent months:<br /><br />A Honolulu police officer was sentenced to federal prison for a gambling room assault caught on video.<br />A state Department of Land and Natural Resources officer was charged with sexual assault. He had been hired by the state after being fired by the Honolulu Police department.<br />An HPD sergeant was fired for fighting with his girlfriend in public.<br />"It seems like in some cases, their standards and their training, they are failing," said State Sen. Will Espero, vice chairman of the Senate Public Safety Committee. "This will provide better oversight."<br /><br />Espero introduced a bill signed by 16 other senators calling for creation of a state board that would develop standards and training requirements for any member of county or state law enforcement who carries a gun and wears a badge.<br /><br />"That police officer in Kauai should just be as trained and qualified as the police officer on the Big Island," Espero said. "And it helps not only the departments and the agencies, but it builds the trust and faith in the public, which has been lost in the last few years."<br /><br />State Sen. Laura Thielen's proposal would go further, allowing a state law enforcement standards board to certify all police, deputy sheriffs and others in the state and revoking an officer's certification for "serious misconduct."<br /><br />"It's going to help the reputation and ultimately the morale for all the good officers that we have in the state," Thielen said.<br /><br />"Rather than having a situation right now where it's internal only, without any type of transparency or public accountability, you would transition toward a higher-level process with a statewide standards board," Thielen added.<br /><br />The Honolulu Police Department opposes both proposals.<br /><br />"We believe that the HPD currently meets the highest standards possible for a law enforcement agency," said Major Gordon Shiraishi, who's in charge of the training division.<br /><br />"We also have stringent procedures and guidelines for investigating police officers' misconduct and any determination resulting in discipline," Shiraishi said.<br /><br />The Honolulu Police Department said its officers get more than 1,100 hours of initial recruit training, which he characterized as among the longest and most stringent police training in the country.<br /><br />But Espero said the recent incidents involving officers show that something needs to change.<br /><br /> "With the news items which were just this week alone, one really questions what is going on with these officers? Who's in charge and where is the leadership?" he asked.<br /><br />Espero was referring to two reports by Hawaii News Now on Monday that revealed more alleged wrongdoing at HPD.<br /><br />In one case, an internal investigation has been launched into alleged cheating at the HPD Training Academy.<br /><br />In another, records show an HPD officer gave a police sergeant accused of drunken driving a ride home in Kaneohe but only later when officers realized he was accused of crashing into a median with his car did the officers arrest him for driving drunk.<br /><br />Copyright 2016 Hawaii News Now. All rights reserved.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-22421704112065219722016-02-10T19:31:02.327-10:002016-02-10T19:31:02.327-10:00This is very disturbing and Kauai should do a stud...This is very disturbing and Kauai should do a study on all teachers, faculty and staff to ensure that there isn't any unfair targeting.<br /><br />Could have used the wasted 2491 money to do the study.<br /><br />I am worried for the health of a few realives and students who were attending that school at the time of the toxic exposure.<br /><br />I am also a person who has suffered from toxic exposure that has been covered up so I know if the Waimea canyon school incident is being covered up then they will all die before anything is done and if any at all.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com