tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post762625986616336753..comments2023-10-17T04:51:08.765-10:00Comments on KauaiEclectic: Musings: Big GameJoan Conrowhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00172330100788007499noreply@blogger.comBlogger38125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-75609552840637550162013-07-30T08:31:44.535-10:002013-07-30T08:31:44.535-10:00The County should be looking at all permitted and ...The County should be looking at all permitted and unpermitted land use and building issues. So I am going to support Joan on this. Spot lighting illegal TVRs is a good place to start whatever her underlying motivations might be.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-89199793766900902072013-07-30T07:59:57.139-10:002013-07-30T07:59:57.139-10:007:10 - Here's all you need to understand that ...7:10 - Here's all you need to understand that the TVR attacks are just a sideshow for Joan's anti-tourist agenda. Ask yourself this: She claims that she highlights TVR's that have unpermitted additions and flood zone violations because she's so concerned about the risks that people face by living in the flood zone. And yet, you can read every blog article she's ever written and you will never - I mean never - see a single reference to the fact that haena and wainiha are filled with NON-TVR homes with unpermitted additions in the flood zone. What? - no danger to life posed by unpermitted flood zone living spaces in these NON-TVR homes??? No "Abuse Chronicles" for these hundreds of Non-TVR lawbreakers? Could it be she just doesn't really care WHO is actually living in the flood zone - unless it's a tourist?? Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-13805128061144399962013-07-30T07:58:03.086-10:002013-07-30T07:58:03.086-10:00> Joan's reports on supposed TVR abuse are ...<i>> Joan's reports on supposed TVR abuse are not the real facts of each case-she puts her own spin on it to make them seem like these owners have been devious and were given illegal permits-all for her own notoriety and because as she just does not like TVR's in certain neighborhoods <</i><br /><br /><i>> You should really check your facts better-but I guess being a reporter you don't have to worry about your being held accountable for what you say or the fallout to those who make an effort to follow the laws <</i><br /><br />Give it up, guys. Joan's reporting has sent Humpty Dumpty tumbling off his illegal wall, and no amount of your wailing will put him together again.Dawsonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-16136491308620597002013-07-30T07:55:48.656-10:002013-07-30T07:55:48.656-10:00The videos are both labeled as being of the Hale H...The videos are both labeled as being of the Hale Hoku property. If you have some evidence that they aren't, other than your Anonymous word, please provide it.<br /><br />Since I've got a bit of a back log, I'd urge you to begin right now on the investigations you'd like to see into the TVRs operating without permits, .<br /><br />Surely you're willing to devote hundreds of hours of your own time to see "the real truth come out." Like you said, it's all right there on Craig's list, etc. Start digging and documenting.Joan Conrowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00172330100788007499noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-70837161293554422912013-07-30T07:53:42.827-10:002013-07-30T07:53:42.827-10:00yeah Joan-what is your real reason for the TVR blo...yeah Joan-what is your real reason for the TVR blogging? you say these owners are taking away your beach access-not true-public access is everywhere-you say that visitors are clogging up the neighborhoods-if they were residents wouldn't it have the same impact? I just don't get what all of the hoopla is about?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-82465422480398086592013-07-30T07:42:41.505-10:002013-07-30T07:42:41.505-10:00I do believe that Joan would like to turn the cloc...I do believe that Joan would like to turn the clock back to an earlier time and that she resents new arrivals and tourists. I also believe she is doing the community a service in exposing illegal TVRs and a corrupt permitting process. Sometimes you get the good with the bad.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-67365528415999703232013-07-30T07:40:22.429-10:002013-07-30T07:40:22.429-10:00How about one example-Hale Hoku-you attached a vid... How about one example-Hale Hoku-you attached a video of a second building on the property saying it was a second living space and kitchen and it wasn't even the same property-it was from another house in the same neighborhood-BTW none of these properties are mine or belong to anyone connected to me-I am just a concerned member of the community who wants to real truth to come out-and why haven't you exposed those who are operating under the radar or even blatantly out in the open without a permit? they are the owners who should be held accountable and shut down if anyone should-<br /><br />You should really check your facts better-but I guess being a reporter you don't have to worry about your being held accountable for what you say or the fallout to those who make an effort to follow the lawsAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-41506533477225530462013-07-30T07:29:14.474-10:002013-07-30T07:29:14.474-10:00I challenge you to come up with even one instance ...I challenge you to come up with even one instance where my TVR reports did not present the real facts of a case. That's why I link to the supporting documents, so people can verify for themselves.<br /><br />Much as you and the other whiners would like to make this all about me supposedly "demonizing" TVR owners, hating tourists or seeking "notoriety," it's so obvious that you're angry because I exposed your game. <br /><br />And more is still to come.Joan Conrowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00172330100788007499noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-40810687505597914092013-07-30T07:10:56.094-10:002013-07-30T07:10:56.094-10:00Joan's reports on supposed TVR abuse are not ...Joan's reports on supposed TVR abuse are not the real facts of each case-she puts her own spin on it to make them seem like these owners have been devious and were given illegal permits-all for her own notoriety and because as she just does not like TVR's in certain neighborhoods-she has never blogged about all of the owners out there who are operating without permits or were turned down for one or never even made the effort to go through the application process-check Craigslist or VRBO or just walk through the neighborhood-blatant abuse all over the island-Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-40638528640599124642013-07-30T06:40:25.260-10:002013-07-30T06:40:25.260-10:008:51 --- "Never, ever say that they own prope...8:51 --- "Never, ever say that they own property here because, first and foremost, they love Kauai."<br /><br />The chemical companies say they love Kauai too but they are poisoning it and destroying it. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-64173619193245125892013-07-30T06:33:12.701-10:002013-07-30T06:33:12.701-10:00Joan highlighted the most blatant examples of tvr ...Joan highlighted the most blatant examples of tvr abuse in her chronicles. If you've followed the law and have a legal tvr, than you have nothing to worry about. From what I read, her chronicles shed needed transparency on some of the rampant abuse that is taking place and I support that whole heartedly. Again, if you've followed the law what do you have to complain about?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-56820871823743106392013-07-29T20:39:38.799-10:002013-07-29T20:39:38.799-10:00On Kauai, tons of poisonous chemicals are applied ...On Kauai, tons of poisonous chemicals are applied throughout the island and the state and county governments spray tons of roundup right next to the roads you drive on. Think about it, you women of child bearing age and men who want to procreate.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-40552546040842602712013-07-29T20:34:08.449-10:002013-07-29T20:34:08.449-10:00Don't swim in the ocean or breathe the air or ...Don't swim in the ocean or breathe the air or drink the spring water from Kauai! Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-82674754851214415262013-07-29T20:31:26.672-10:002013-07-29T20:31:26.672-10:00We need a well narrated video on YouTube to warn t...We need a well narrated video on YouTube to warn the tourists. Let the tourist industry multinationals fight the pesticide/chemical industry multinationals.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-86336817162568121822013-07-29T19:41:35.898-10:002013-07-29T19:41:35.898-10:00Bravo! Very well put.Bravo! Very well put.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-5881155380328464482013-07-29T19:20:58.937-10:002013-07-29T19:20:58.937-10:00We're playing right into the hands of these tr...We're playing right into the hands of these transnational corporations by demonizing the other side. They have succeeded in dividing us. We need to empathize with those who work for these companies in order to support themselves and their families. Limited job opportunities particularly on the Westside equate to having very little choice where one works. Anti-GMO activists need to drop the self-righteous anger at these employees and have some compassion for the fact that we are in the same boat and if we are going to be successful we need to address the issue of better jobs. Many have grown up in families who have worked generations in the sugar plantation. Working for the seed companies was a logical progression. It filled the void that sugar left. We can't vilify them for that. We need to work toward a different, better type of agriculture that provides food locally and jobs that don't entail exposure to heavy doses of chemicals. These corporations are masters at manipulating communities, using divide and conquer tactics. Don't let them succeed.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-79348564623267581522013-07-29T18:00:09.270-10:002013-07-29T18:00:09.270-10:00You think this might turn out like Kauai Springs? ...You think this might turn out like Kauai Springs? The court opinion stated the Planning Commission had to do it over and do it right this time and lambasted Watanabe for her errors in allowing them to take water.<br /><br />I see this as the same thing.<br /><br />They have no right to poison the land and their ʻworkersʻ have no right to dictate these issues just so they can keep their ʻjobsʻ. If any of them are Hawaiians that support this abuse, then shame to them.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-21669467263640465732013-07-29T17:34:15.374-10:002013-07-29T17:34:15.374-10:00I think you mean Kauai will become UNINHABITABLE!I think you mean Kauai will become UNINHABITABLE!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-7146384103140518122013-07-29T17:28:11.800-10:002013-07-29T17:28:11.800-10:00Hooser or Bieber for mayor, I second that motion.Hooser or Bieber for mayor, I second that motion.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-27270571839918197582013-07-29T17:24:01.946-10:002013-07-29T17:24:01.946-10:00He was a successful businessman except for the unp...He was a successful businessman except for the unpaid taxes.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-78377814462435204282013-07-29T16:19:59.794-10:002013-07-29T16:19:59.794-10:00HOOSER FOR MAYOR!HOOSER FOR MAYOR!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-41100493001764446382013-07-29T16:07:26.695-10:002013-07-29T16:07:26.695-10:00@11:21 yawn. what a crybaby@11:21 yawn. what a crybabyAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-10016450357846878952013-07-29T13:30:47.898-10:002013-07-29T13:30:47.898-10:00I think what you are doing is misinforming in rega...I think what you are doing is misinforming in regards to the TVR's matters. First off there were rules and laws that were violated. Permits and Tax records were fraudulent for illegal TVR's. <br /><br /><br />The crux of this matter is not about how certain people from different races and wealth or lack there of should be able to enjoy Kauai but how laws were broken and who conspired with these white collar criminals.<br /><br /><br />Some unsuspecting visitor died from an illegal TVR earlier this year and there' no denying that. The TVR's that are legal can operate on Kauai like any business that follow laws do.<br /><br /><br />Those who are illegal and fraudulent should have a cease and desist order while awaiting their day in court. Those TVR's that are on AG land are just wrong and the law states it but they were given preferential treatment by a suspicious bunch of county characters.<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-45786489448598910492013-07-29T11:21:46.543-10:002013-07-29T11:21:46.543-10:00It's not about benevolence - tvr owners encomp...It's not about benevolence - tvr owners encompass the full range of human behavior and motives - good, bad, indifferent - like the range of behavior exhibited by almost sizable all groups of people. Your demonization of tvr owners in particular - and tourism in general- underlies something else. You seem to want Kauai to be what it was when you arrived there in the 80's - a Kauai that has far fewer pesky tourists to share the beaches with, and far lower rents for you. The same reaction all locals who live in a place of stunning beauty feel when it finally gets discovered - like the locals who lived in Aspen, Lake Tahoe, or Mailbu before they were discovered. This is an inevitable process. People find beautiful places and want to live there, and if they can't, they want to buy 2nd homes there. You are part of this process. You "discovered" Kauai in the 80's - probably displacing a person who couldn't pay as much rent as you could. Maybe a few ex-Taylor Camp veterans rued the day you and others arrived. Wealth is all relative. But now that you're here - why, no more invasions by people with more money than you! Let's keep everyone from coming here and enjoying Kauai in the form of owning 2nd homes here and renting them to people that you, god forbid, will be forced to share the beautiful beaches of Haena with! Lets stick these toursits in little boxes in Princeville or in a ticky tacky hotel room in Poipu, keep them only on the hotel beaches, and force them to have only a plastic superficial experience of Kauai. Out of sight and out of mind. Above all else, keep them from renting homes on the north shore -and increasing your rent. After all, these are the beaches you should be able to enjoy in solitude. After all, you got there first - well ok, not exactly first - there was an entire native population that had to be whittled down and overrun by our collective ancestors and then another 150 years of locals gradually displaced by successive waves of new arrivals - but the point is, no one should be allowed to discover Kauai after YOU did. And if these pesky tourists aren't satisfied with the artificial hotel room experience, and insist on having the real experience of Kauai that you yourself insist on having - why, then, demonize them for ruining the environment, destroying the reef, creating traffic messes, driving up property values, and - god forbid - committing the unpardonable offense of having more money than you.<br /><br />You want nothing less than to deny everyone a more real experience of Kauai - not a perfectly real experience, but a lot more real than they would be getting in a hotel room in Poipu. Just a small taste of the experience you yourself moved here for and have enjoyed for thirty years. Ultimately, the realization of your anti-tourist "vision" would result in about a quarter of Kauai's population - including most of those who's jobs have any connection with tourism or 2nd homes - having to relocate back to the mainland. You're entitled to your vision, but to those of us who can't live year-round in Kauai -and that's most of the world - your vision is anything other than benevolent. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-29248352053833948942013-07-29T09:05:01.293-10:002013-07-29T09:05:01.293-10:00Poor, poor little TVR owners. So abused and so ben...Poor, poor little TVR owners. So abused and so benevolent.Joan Conrowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00172330100788007499noreply@blogger.com