tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post8081497043750593609..comments2023-10-17T04:51:08.765-10:00Comments on KauaiEclectic: Musings: In the PikoJoan Conrowhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00172330100788007499noreply@blogger.comBlogger30125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-60831437228327947672009-12-18T07:46:56.405-10:002009-12-18T07:46:56.405-10:00December 2, 2009 1:06 PM anonymous comment
Please...December 2, 2009 1:06 PM anonymous comment<br /><br />Please do a more thorough history check before you begin quoting numbers.<br /><br />My Uncle, Palu Hanohano Pa, who has since passed away was born and raised in Kalalau valley.<br /><br />There were thousands of Hawaiians who lived in the Na pali area, and traversed it by a series of swinging ladders. Only they knew how to use them.<br /><br />I will steer you towards a book, called "Then there Were None". This little book accurately documents in simple language the genocide of the Hawaiian people, and gives accurate guestimates for how many Native Hawaiians exhisted in this state prior to Western Contact.<br /><br />The numbers for Kauai are quite high, due to Kauais ability to grow food, and have abundant water and rescources. The numbers run anywhere to 250,000 to 450,000<br /><br />To state that there were only 50,000 people on Kaua'i is ludicrous. <br /><br />The carrying capacity of this island was high, because a system was in place that made the best use of the land, instituted kapus at certain times of the day, month and year to prevent depleting any one resource. Another reason, was because Kauai was unique among the islands in that it had more abundant sources of water and birds that the other islands.<br /><br />This allowed Kauai to produce more kalo, and 'uala, and have a more abundant amount of food. Kaua'i was also wealthy because there were more birds here, which allowed the making of Kihei, which were highly prized by all on the islands and was also used as currency. This could be exchanged as gifts to solidify alliances and keep peace. Kaua'i had finer lauhala matting, and also makaloa matting to make better sails. The wood was more abundant for canoes here<br /><br />The main thing that kept Kauais population so high was that Kauai was very difficult to conquer, and warfare here was rather rare. Kauai cheifesses and cheifs tussled among themselves, but it was very unusual for threats to come from other islands and they usually did not get much past the beach when they landed.<br /><br />Because of Kauais cliffs, canoe breakers and slings were utilized to destroy the canoes that might attempt to land, and because the ways to actually set foot on Kauai were well guarded and narrow outsiders were easily defeated.<br /><br />Kauai historicaly had almost one thousand years of relative peace and prosperity before the time of Kamehameha.<br /><br />So, next time do a bit more research. The reason why we are so unsustainable today even with our modern conveniences is because all of the land is no longer in productiion, there are no kapus on harvesting really, and the Hawaiian calender is not followed, and people no longer live from the mountains to the sea, but are prevented from moving freely on their own island. <br />The population lives in a small ribbon around the coast instead of all over it the way the people did before.<br /><br />My Uncle told me these things, and I have never forgotten them. He did give me permission to pass this knowledge along. Lucky you to see it here.Punohu's Politics,Environment and Culturehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14855749379420613725noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-37883221902070067502009-12-05T12:49:59.935-10:002009-12-05T12:49:59.935-10:00"People talkin' but they just don't k..."People talkin' but they just don't know" JH<br />Ansel Adams came to and shot the Islands in 1948, including Kauai. A small point, but it does speak to the sound of so many engines being gunned while the car is in park.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-43550087316502395702009-12-04T08:44:32.871-10:002009-12-04T08:44:32.871-10:00And that time is not a comin' any time soon.And that time is not a comin' any time soon.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-133956142474078642009-12-03T17:31:46.053-10:002009-12-03T17:31:46.053-10:00"Anti-development white hippies trade in that...<i>"Anti-development white hippies trade in that racism day in and day out."</i><br /><br />Greed-mongering Western land grabbers were trading on it far earlier, and continue to do so.<br /><br />Voracious developers have devoured the planet and its people for long enough. Time for a change.Dawsonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-62805277632242289172009-12-03T16:02:59.536-10:002009-12-03T16:02:59.536-10:00"The idea that "Hawaiians" have a m..."The idea that "Hawaiians" have a monolithic identity of interest is racist. Anti-development white hippies trade in that racism day in and day out."<br /><br />-- strong, cutting comment. compliments<br /><br /><br />dwpsAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-35970408366820470212009-12-03T10:40:42.747-10:002009-12-03T10:40:42.747-10:00"The idea that "Hawaiians" have a m..."The idea that "Hawaiians" have a monolithic identity of interest is racist. Anti-development white hippies trade in that racism day in and day out"<br /><br />Including the hostAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-20326761910259451932009-12-03T10:05:04.747-10:002009-12-03T10:05:04.747-10:00it is sad that haole interests will pit hawaaiians...<i>it is sad that haole interests will pit hawaaiians against each other to get what they want. </i><br /><br />O please. that is exactly what the anti-path haoles are doing. The idea that "Hawaiians" have a monolithic identity of interest is racist. Anti-development white hippies trade in that racism day in and day out.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-11436391006230181042009-12-03T08:51:11.651-10:002009-12-03T08:51:11.651-10:00Ron Wiley and Tim Bynum do NOT like Hawaiians.
Yo...<i>Ron Wiley and Tim Bynum do NOT like Hawaiians.</i><br /><br />You're such a know-nothing jerk.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-34382149835833594862009-12-03T07:37:07.281-10:002009-12-03T07:37:07.281-10:00Ron Wiley and Tim Bynum do NOT like Hawaiians.
Rem...Ron Wiley and Tim Bynum do NOT like Hawaiians.<br />Remember that in the future next time you hear the saccharin sweet bs.<br /><br />They try act but theyʻre so stupid they think everyone else is too.<br /><br />Steve (whathisname) from the KKCR oldies show is another one. <br /><br />Garden variety rascists.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-65876297406773888792009-12-03T02:42:45.189-10:002009-12-03T02:42:45.189-10:00i bet there is a way to blame this on christians a...i bet there is a way to blame this on christians and sugar people<br /><br /><br />dwpsAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-5468097489383504782009-12-02T23:20:40.282-10:002009-12-02T23:20:40.282-10:00Sabra Kauka is firmly in support of the path of th...Sabra Kauka is firmly in support of the path of the beach. Don't blame the haole interests for taking advantage or for her getting sucked in. This was her concious choice. Sad. She and others can stand with our "Hawaiian" Mayor who yes, caved in so hard its spineless. All I can say is SHAME. <br /><br />Looking41NewMayor in Lihue<br /><br />This Hawaiian is standing up for the kupuna. EIS! Move the path! <br /><br />MKWLooking41NewMayornoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-59979767974934376632009-12-02T22:53:08.635-10:002009-12-02T22:53:08.635-10:00bring more solutions instead of more barriers to t...bring more solutions instead of more barriers to this issue of the path.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-27805696448032637422009-12-02T22:12:34.089-10:002009-12-02T22:12:34.089-10:00ron wiley also named sabra kauka as a path on the ...ron wiley also named sabra kauka as a path on the sands supporter. she signed on to a letter drafted by thomas noyes and crew as well. big deal if there are some who say OK because there are some who live in the area and have relations with the area and are trying to preserve as much as can. <br />it is sad that haole interests will pit hawaaiians against each other to get what they want. sad indeed but that it what ron wiley and tim bynum would have you believe that its OK because they have some hawaiian backers. <br /> i wonder if sabra made it to the vigil. it would be good to ask her about her rationale to pick the beach over the canehaul rd for the path.<br />i have a feeling that if she was asked directly her reponse maybe different than how the kauai path folks are portraying the kanaka support for a beach path. mayor BC caved;maybe he can reconsider if there is significant pressure to bare.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-30783480528955974962009-12-02T20:18:07.528-10:002009-12-02T20:18:07.528-10:00Sorry, I forgot to post that I am Hawaiian,am conn...Sorry, I forgot to post that I am Hawaiian,am connected and aware of our native culture and traditions. Oh, and a female at that! So no speculations or guesses here.Lehuanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-16570952718418465632009-12-02T20:15:17.612-10:002009-12-02T20:15:17.612-10:00Anonymous said...
I heard a Hawaiian guy call in ...Anonymous said... <br />I heard a Hawaiian guy call in to Ron Willey's show recently to say that he thought opposing the path for cultural reasons was unreasonable and that culturally, menstruating women would be banned from that beach.<br /><br />If that is so, Hawaiian guy needs to get a check on his culture. BTW, it IS a kapu that women on their menstrual cycle DO NOT access the water - ocean or freshwater during their monthly period. It's all about respect and not defiling the natural resources. Please get the facts straight. There's so much to learn about Hawaiian culture and values.Lehuanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-63538655658098038032009-12-02T20:08:19.505-10:002009-12-02T20:08:19.505-10:00What the fk did that have to do with the ʻpathʻ? A...<i>What the fk did that have to do with the ʻpathʻ? Are all of you that disconnected and myopic?</i><br /><br />Notice you didn't deny it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-30912498934844088352009-12-02T18:53:01.614-10:002009-12-02T18:53:01.614-10:00What the fk did that have to do with the ʻpathʻ?
A...What the fk did that have to do with the ʻpathʻ?<br />Are all of you that disconnected and myopic?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-17973756090929010782009-12-02T18:46:14.836-10:002009-12-02T18:46:14.836-10:00Think itʻs bad now, thanks to Lingle, not only wil...<i>Think itʻs bad now, thanks to Lingle, not only will there be the usual asswipes from california but a whole new kind of speculator...and lots and lots of them. Chinese.<br /><br />its-flied-lice-u-plick</i><br /><br />Another white guy opposed to the path.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-28644729406664816822009-12-02T18:33:22.388-10:002009-12-02T18:33:22.388-10:00Uh, let's see. The Mayor.
Yep. Unfortunately.
...Uh, let's see. The Mayor.<br />Yep. Unfortunately.<br /><br />Think itʻs bad now, thanks to Lingle, not only will there be the usual asswipes from california but a whole new kind of speculator...and lots and lots of them. Chinese.<br /><br />its-flied-lice-u-plickAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-83608226922518836462009-12-02T18:20:40.753-10:002009-12-02T18:20:40.753-10:00"I heard a Hawaiian guy call in to Ron Willey...<i>"I heard a Hawaiian guy call in to Ron Willey's show recently to say that he thought opposing the path for cultural reasons was unreasonable and that culturally, menstruating women would be banned from that beach."</i><br /><br />Would be banned today -- or would <i>have been</i> banned in the past?Dawsonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-42646417861942791252009-12-02T18:05:11.479-10:002009-12-02T18:05:11.479-10:00I heard a Hawaiian guy call in to Ron Willey's...I heard a Hawaiian guy call in to Ron Willey's show recently to say that he thought opposing the path for cultural reasons was unreasonable and that culturally, menstruating women would be banned from that beach.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-19951923235953754142009-12-02T17:52:38.112-10:002009-12-02T17:52:38.112-10:00Re: the "piko" concept. Mathematicians ...Re: the "piko" concept. Mathematicians and physiciists would agree that Waieleele is A center of the universe, because an infinite space has an infinite number of centers.<br /><br />I now return you folks to your non-math-geek discussions. Aloha.Doughttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00278477472958926963noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-88386996937682481502009-12-02T17:27:01.711-10:002009-12-02T17:27:01.711-10:00the path over the burial ground at Wailua Beach
O...<i>the path over the burial ground at Wailua Beach</i><br /><br />OHA says the burial ground is mauka of Wailua Beach. The antogonism about the path on the beach is that the "sands" are "sacred," not that there are burials there.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-23456427780661416572009-12-02T17:04:00.107-10:002009-12-02T17:04:00.107-10:00Uh, let's see. The Mayor.Uh, let's see. The Mayor.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-41818000154433294492009-12-02T16:53:35.546-10:002009-12-02T16:53:35.546-10:00Can anyone name the Hawaiians that support the pat...Can anyone name the Hawaiians that support the path over the burial ground at Wailua Beach? I have yet to find one. Please let me know. Thank you.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com