tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post8199772621067572382..comments2023-10-17T04:51:08.765-10:00Comments on KauaiEclectic: Musings: On the Dark Side Joan Conrowhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00172330100788007499noreply@blogger.comBlogger34125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-59901860556074457052014-10-22T19:42:27.754-10:002014-10-22T19:42:27.754-10:00For those bringing up Naomi, she is a joke.
Ashle...For those bringing up Naomi, she is a joke.<br /><br />Ashley Lukens, her Center for Food Safety, and their millions of dollars from the mainland is the real political threat to tear the islands apart.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-11983590157719580192014-10-22T16:49:57.794-10:002014-10-22T16:49:57.794-10:00Ebola...Watch news and read the newspapers. This ...Ebola...Watch news and read the newspapers. This topic is now being discussed Statewide. The good news is, like Joan has previously written, "folks are far more likely to die of almost anything but Ebola". Just need to remember how we dealt with the SARS scare and HIV...same thing with how to deal with Ebola. Be wary about cleanliness.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-75876857933917664282014-10-22T15:04:00.801-10:002014-10-22T15:04:00.801-10:00If its Pioneer and not Sygenta along Kekaha Road t...If its Pioneer and not Sygenta along Kekaha Road that is marginally good news, since they use "only" 17% of the Restricted Use pesticide reported and Syngenta uses 53%. Syngenta borders WCMS and is on Mana side of Kekaha. How much acreage does Pioneer have in between?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-89444119144409487022014-10-22T11:42:28.928-10:002014-10-22T11:42:28.928-10:00Thank you for clarifying that, wesai mike.
The r...Thank you for clarifying that, wesai mike. <br /><br />The reason Pioneer isn't providing disclosure is because it is being sued. So 8:56, if you're unhappy about not being notified, go talk to the plaintiffs in the dust suit.Joan Conrowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00172330100788007499noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-62888913566402238472014-10-22T11:39:30.959-10:002014-10-22T11:39:30.959-10:00and as far as naomi babes cardona according to who...and as far as naomi babes cardona according to who she is a babe any dancer in a strip club looks good after 10 beers Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-45389561239691176892014-10-22T11:32:13.163-10:002014-10-22T11:32:13.163-10:008:56 i am from kekaha and again Syngenta has no fi...8:56 i am from kekaha and again Syngenta has no fields close to kekaha road it is pioneer you anti's lie so much you start to believe it and run with it "google that" and don't blame joan for staying anonymouswesai mikenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-26917063159463300132014-10-22T09:38:04.803-10:002014-10-22T09:38:04.803-10:008:65 -- Oh, don't blame me for being such a ch...8:65 -- Oh, don't blame me for being such a chicken shit. If you actually had stood up, you would do it again. You're lying, and that's why I'm calling you on it and why Wesai Mike called you on it, too.Joan Conrowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00172330100788007499noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-16799381658878462042014-10-22T08:59:00.101-10:002014-10-22T08:59:00.101-10:00While it is valid to criticize the uncivil, stumbl...<i>While it is valid to criticize the uncivil, stumbling, bumbling mis-steps of local "activists" and their "leaders" how about looking into the misdeeds of corporate and government actors as well. You seem to be always aiming at David and giving Goliath a free pass.</i><br /><br />Sorry, Ed, your logic is bogus. You're essentially arguing that any position Joan takes on an issue is invalid unless she gives equal consideration to other issues. There's a long Latin name for your logical fallacy, but I prefer simply to call it what it is: "bullshit."Dawsonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-9462314117912208092014-10-22T08:56:00.347-10:002014-10-22T08:56:00.347-10:00@ 8:10 you must not be from Kekaha so I will save ...@ 8:10 you must not be from Kekaha so I will save you the drive - check out google maps and Kekaha road. There are quite a few residences that close to Syngenta. SMH the things people will say without even looking at a map.<br /><br />I am anonymous because it should be about the message, not the messenger and Joan has a history of making it more about the messenger to try to be polite.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-11095284649555286922014-10-22T08:10:32.112-10:002014-10-22T08:10:32.112-10:00anonymous at 2:39 you talk about discouraging the ...anonymous at 2:39 you talk about discouraging the red shirts from any bad behavior and you call out Charlie Iona for falsely accusing a soldier with PTSD that was front and center with you anti's and had a big sign in his yard and calling Arthur Brun and Samuel Fu for giving ugly testimony you guys told lies and tried to take away their livelihood with false claims and just another one of your lies that you live 550 feet from Syngenta unless you live on the beach or at the rubbish dump you are LYING like gary and timwesai mikenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-46966814448842177162014-10-22T08:04:55.546-10:002014-10-22T08:04:55.546-10:00Ed Coll, you ask for services to your liking but w...Ed Coll, you ask for services to your liking but what have you ever done that was constructive and not just criticisms? Just asking ?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-23816388648988557292014-10-22T06:54:20.371-10:002014-10-22T06:54:20.371-10:00Ed Coll- If you think the Government is David, you...Ed Coll- If you think the Government is David, you must be eating breakfast with Brian Schatz, da Hoos, Timbo, Chock, JoAnn and the other "Davids"<br />The Government is trying to put down Ag as if Ag was a rabid dog.<br />Now David (IE Gov) in the form of JoAnn wants to raise the main tax most people pay by well over 25 percent. Gov is out of control.<br />Time for the Council to get back to basics.<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-20631694294134784042014-10-22T06:30:57.821-10:002014-10-22T06:30:57.821-10:00When the anti side achieves what the chem corp wan...When the anti side achieves what the chem corp wants, we need to question.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-76500173143308912092014-10-22T05:35:15.725-10:002014-10-22T05:35:15.725-10:00Ed, my point was not that I objected to an anonymo...Ed, my point was not that I objected to an anonymous comment, or to its content, but that I found it curious someone who claimed to have stood up to the tactics was now hiding behind anonymity. <br /><br />As for the second half of your comment, I'll address it in a separate post.Joan Conrowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00172330100788007499noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-13652797536676689692014-10-22T01:47:58.941-10:002014-10-22T01:47:58.941-10:00Joan said 2:39 -- "If you personally took a p...Joan said 2:39 -- "If you personally took a public stand against the ugly tactics, why are you now posting Anonymously? Why not stand up with your name and say that kind of behavior is wrong? Instead you actually defend it by taking the customary refuge of children -- He did it too! She started it! "<br /><br />You know you can disallow anon comments or screen/delete any anon comments that you deem inappropriate. After all it is your blog and your choice. <br /><br />Joan said, “I have no soft spot for the chem/seed companies, who brought much of this uproar upon themselves by walling themselves off and refusing to respond to questions about their industry and 10-year-old concerns about dust.”<br /><br />You say you have no soft soft spot for the chem/seed companies yet the bulk of your criticism is aimed at the anti-movement. Where is the balance? You decry “the promulgation of misinformation” by the anti-movement and do a great job pointing such misinformation out but fail to point out the misinformation of the chem/seed companies. Likewise you analyze funding sources and amounts the anti-movement spends but not the spending and lobbying of the chem/seed companies. No mention of the historical relationship between HICA and UH-CTAHR, the projects and research members of HICA fund at CTAHR or how such funding might influence what is researched, or how much HICA pays Becker Communications to churn out propaganda, or how much Jon Entine and Karl Haro von Mogel were paid and by whom. You also stress “voluntary disclosure” as if the fox guarding the hen house has ever been good for the chickens. No mention of how the FDA has been a captive agency since 1977 and has failed to regulate the use of antibiotics on feed animals perhaps resulting in antibiotic resistance in humans (BTW Glyphosate is an antibiotic see the Monsanto Patent here http://www.google.com/patents/US20040077608)<br /><br />While it is valid to criticize the uncivil, stumbling, bumbling mis-steps of local "activists" and their "leaders" how about looking into the misdeeds of corporate and government actors as well. You seem to be always aiming at David and giving Goliath a free pass.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-61041773834547193272014-10-21T23:33:35.703-10:002014-10-21T23:33:35.703-10:00Ebola? Oh boy anything to distract voters from the...Ebola? Oh boy anything to distract voters from the antis bad behavior right before the election.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-63464523784082477752014-10-21T21:43:25.979-10:002014-10-21T21:43:25.979-10:00Can't we stop fighting and bickering about the...<i>Can't we stop fighting and bickering about the bio-tech industry.</i><br /><br />Not as long as local politicians and politician-wannabes use it as a ploy to drum up support for themselves and distract voters from the real issues affecting the island.Dawsonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-37773687587756300102014-10-21T21:05:18.095-10:002014-10-21T21:05:18.095-10:00@8:21 a possible presence of Ebola on Kauai? Pleas...@8:21 a possible presence of Ebola on Kauai? Please tell me more... First I've heard of this. Sounds kinda wacko but I wouldn't know. The rest of your comment seemed reasonable esp the guinnea grass. That stuff is taking over, ugly and dangerous . ...So about that Ebola?... Please, Go on....Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-83980340446977897872014-10-21T20:21:16.011-10:002014-10-21T20:21:16.011-10:00Let's get real. There's so many bigger th...Let's get real. There's so many bigger things to worry about. Ebola for one, and it's possible presence here, the recent investigation into pollution in Mahaleapu, the traffic we deal with every morning, the invasive guinea grass that's taking over our roadsides, our trash and how are we going to pay for it, our huge insurance bills, property taxes, sky rocketing utilities, a possible bankrupt County and it goes on and on. Can't we stop fighting and bickering about the bio-tech industry. If they're harming our health, they will be caught. The more dangerous issue is our ability to handle the stress of living.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-10839300471784602332014-10-21T20:02:57.686-10:002014-10-21T20:02:57.686-10:00If you read that far it should be clear why I'...If you read that far it should be clear why I'm not. Joan Conrowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00172330100788007499noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-8892788947805729842014-10-21T19:33:37.520-10:002014-10-21T19:33:37.520-10:00"I have no soft spot for the chem/seed compan..."I have no soft spot for the chem/seed companies, who brought much of this uproar upon themselves by walling themselves off and refusing to respond to questions about their industry and 10-year-old concerns about dust."<br /><br />God I wish you were on the other side, helping.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-85183784975982376872014-10-21T17:52:25.556-10:002014-10-21T17:52:25.556-10:00@4:18
No we're not debating the issue and it&#...@4:18<br />No we're not debating the issue and it's gone way beyond mean spirited. Why get involved in Maui's issue? Because the same groups are working there -- CFS, Hawaii SEED, HAPA etc. !!! It's like a cancer spreading across the Islands. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-54128566686363320992014-10-21T17:12:33.907-10:002014-10-21T17:12:33.907-10:00All is lost on this island, whether pro-GMO or No-...All is lost on this island, whether pro-GMO or No-GMO, if we allow the Council to target specific groups either via taxes or regulatory scrutiny.<br />If the Council was passing laws against and making public allegations about another type of business, like say, errrrr, real estate. Matt Beal, John Ferry, Bali Hai and Hawaii Life would be singing another tune. These true Kauaians would be screaming bloody murder.<br />If ever there was a business that deserves scrutiny it is those realtors. Countless Ag (wink wink) estates have been sold, countless suggestions from these rich realtors to their clients about building illegal dwelling units etc....helping clients fudge a bit in mortgage applications, manipulating the property so the appraisers do not get the whole picture...and on and on....This business is rife with lies, deceit, illegal doings and hypocrisy....why don't former realtor/Developer Gary Hooser, Former Ag CPR owner, illegal landlord Tim Bynum, JoAnn Yukimura who developed Kalihiwai into CPRs take a peek-a-boo into realtors.....how many illegal TVRs, shoreline encroachments, public access blockades have the Realtors been involved in, advised on or personally did??<br />The list is long, the players are few...and now Bali Hai lists a house on Hawaiian graves and Hawaii Life pushes it....wanna rent a room? rice cooker included.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-60418292189875351582014-10-21T16:18:41.506-10:002014-10-21T16:18:41.506-10:00Divide the island? I don't think so, why can&...Divide the island? I don't think so, why can't people have different values, morals and opinions and state them. Like i tell my family, let's debate our differences---isn't this what is happening? So some ugly stuff have been said and done---but it has been done by both sides! Look at people's facebook and their comments---the people who work (white collar workers) for the seed companies have really bad stuff coming from them. This blog also have a lot of bad things being said about the antis--it's going both ways! In fact, i believe that some of the pro gmo responses on this blog are very mean spirited. This is an uprising, people haven't burned buildings, turn cars over, break windows---but they are marching, voicing their opinions, values---isn't all of this the American way--there will be more to come! And, why get involved in Maui's issues?! Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-47841981460853648422014-10-21T15:38:57.518-10:002014-10-21T15:38:57.518-10:00The people in this anti GMO movement are addicted ...The people in this anti GMO movement are addicted to the drama, fear, and self righteousness of pointing out all the evils of the gmo industry. It doesn't matter whether it's true or not because they are completely stuck in a mindset. Most of these people are not bad people but they are completely stuck and fanatically attatched to an idea. Gary Hooser on the other haNd knows better and takes advantage of the fanatical misinformed types. Ugh this is all so boring but so necessary to keep writing about since it just keeps getting weirder and weirder. It felt so good to not vote for Gary and after watching Malia Chun on the video link it reminded me not to vote Mason too. Mahalo Joan! Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com