tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post828976373615109982..comments2023-10-17T04:51:08.765-10:00Comments on KauaiEclectic: Musings: AppreciativelyJoan Conrowhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00172330100788007499noreply@blogger.comBlogger28125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-28491593981896121962014-06-28T16:48:31.169-10:002014-06-28T16:48:31.169-10:00Thank you for your comments, Paul.
However, you d...Thank you for your comments, Paul.<br /><br />However, you did not address my primary concern, which was your comparison of a snapshot of pesticide use on Kauai to national annual applications.<br /><br />The question is not whether pesticide use in future months may go down, which would be a good thing, but whether your article's sensational assertions are based in fact.Joan Conrowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00172330100788007499noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-59411126390382706722014-06-28T15:45:03.196-10:002014-06-28T15:45:03.196-10:00Joan, a couple comments on your post. In my story ...Joan, a couple comments on your post. In my story I used 2009 USGS on annual pesticide use because it was the best publicly available source. My review of USGS data over the previous 17 years showed me that the average amount of pesticides used on farms doesn't vary much from year to year.<br /><br />I used 12,000 acres as the amount of acreage under the control of these four companies. I could have used a smaller figure, but they would have looked even worse relatively to the mainland, as one of your readers pointed out.<br /><br />And yes the pesticide usage on Kauai in future months may go down. That would be a good thing, right?<br /><br />Paul KobersteinPaul Kobersteinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07020481064789736872noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-30407811569150701392014-06-27T00:04:00.018-10:002014-06-27T00:04:00.018-10:00Aria,
Joan "offers up" Dr. Savage becaus...Aria,<br />Joan "offers up" Dr. Savage because he is claiming his own work was misinterpreted by Mr. Koberstein. In science, the fact that one may or may not like Dr. Savage due to his career choices is irrelevant to a discussion about the data and interpretations thereof. This is not a popularity contest. I actually have the same question as you regarding per acre useage but, unfortunately, Mr. Koberstein does such a poor job of, among other things, explaining his methodology that it it pointless to spend any time debating it. It remains an open question.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-65253548253818257882014-06-26T23:58:21.150-10:002014-06-26T23:58:21.150-10:00Joan,
I take issue with your last sentence "B...Joan,<br />I take issue with your last sentence "But it's even worse that it seems totally blind to the fact that it is behaving exactly like the chem companies it reviles...". At least here on Kauai, I find the companies and their employees to have behaved professionally and, if anything, too reserved in the face of vicious provocation.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-27518990703543083292014-06-25T00:00:24.538-10:002014-06-25T00:00:24.538-10:00What we really need is some type of regulations an...What we really need is some type of regulations and accountability to address the out of control behavior of some of these anti's. Attacking people just because they disagree with what you are promoting should not be tolerated in a civil society.<br /><br />They systematically attack those who are actual experts in the science as well as government agencies that serve to protect the public by spreading all of these ridiculous lies about corporate bribes and corruption. We really need to adopt zero tolerance and strict accountability for this behavior.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-4768895732643922372014-06-24T19:16:55.839-10:002014-06-24T19:16:55.839-10:003:14 GM knew they had a safety problem for over 10...3:14 GM knew they had a safety problem for over 10 years and did nothing to fix it, cheaper to pay out the lawsuits than recall and fix. life is cheap at GM.<br />On February 7, 2014, General Motors (commonly known as GM) recalled about 800,000 of its small cars due to faulty ignition switches, which could shut off the engine during driving and thereby prevent the airbags from inflating.[1] The company continued to recall more of its cars over the next several months. As of June 16, 2014, GM has issued 44 recalls this year, which have involved more than 20 million cars worldwide and over 17 million in the United States.<br /><br />The fault had been known to GM for at least a decade prior to the recall being declared. Some have suggested that the company actually approved the switches in 2002 even though they knew they might not meet safety standards.<br /><br />The company is facing multiple investigations into why it did not attempt to fix these faulty ignitions sooner, including a federal criminal probe,[4] as well as a probe led by Anton Valukas, the latter of which produced a report which GM made public on June 5, 2014.[5] On March 31, 2014, GM's CEO, Mary Barra, met with the families of some of the people who had died in car crashes as a result of the faulty switches.[6] Barra testified at a House Subcommittee hearing on April 1; in her testimony, filed in advance of the hearing, she told the United States House Energy Subcommittee on Oversight and Investigations that "When we have answers, we will be fully transparent with you, with our regulators and with our customers.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-72295879938278585482014-06-24T15:14:04.165-10:002014-06-24T15:14:04.165-10:00“…anyone that thinks safety comes before profits i...“…anyone that thinks safety comes before profits is delusional.”<br /><br />A common mis-statement of the anti-corporate left. The truth is that safety comes back to bite the crap out of you financially like it has GM and other car manu’s so that safety IS a big concern because lack of it does impact profits heavily. And it’s not just the recalls; it’s the lawsuits. So your statement merely reflects your lack of understanding of the business world. Only places like China and the other communist, or former communist countries, is that true where their legal systems are government controlled as it appears this country is moving towards with Eric Holder and the judicial system’s ignoring of government lawlessness.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-69741778979970314292014-06-24T11:55:09.461-10:002014-06-24T11:55:09.461-10:00Suggestion: Find a way to get "like/dislike&...Suggestion: Find a way to get "like/dislike" feature on your comment boards Joan! Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-6116988063409852512014-06-24T11:36:57.562-10:002014-06-24T11:36:57.562-10:00read the NYTimes article. Doesn't say that po...read the NYTimes article. Doesn't say that poor people are dying earlier. Just says their life expectancy isn't increasing as fast as rich people. You simply read into it what you want it to say. <br /><br />The example they have is a girl who dropped out of high school and started drinking/smoking/drugs at age 16, then had a stroke at age 21. You want to blame that on money, or life choices? It sure wasn't the cheap GMO foods that caused her stroke and early death. That article has no business being brought up in this context.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-8456937132658761472014-06-24T11:35:57.249-10:002014-06-24T11:35:57.249-10:00Froot Loops is 41% sugar! plus all those dyes and ...Froot Loops is 41% sugar! plus all those dyes and GMO corn sounds like child endangerment. Way more than making them walk home from school. But, hey now that the corporations control the government, anyone that thinks safety comes before profits is delusional. Tobacco science will prevail until we all start dropping dead from radiation related illness. The only protection we are getting is from the precautions we take in out personal diet.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-89684225346802446422014-06-24T11:27:20.211-10:002014-06-24T11:27:20.211-10:00That's pretty stupid. Even the poorest in our...That's pretty stupid. Even the poorest in our country live longer today than the life expectancy of the richest in past eras. But hey, ignore what your eyes see and keep reading magazines. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-83177131127108931092014-06-24T08:43:01.921-10:002014-06-24T08:43:01.921-10:00American Association for the Advancement of Scienc...American Association for the Advancement of Science<br><br />“The science is quite clear: crop improvement by the modern molecular techniques of biotechnology is safe.”<br><br />World Health Organization<br><br />“No effects on human health have been shown as a result of the consumption of such foods by the general population in the countries where they have been approved.”<br><br />National Academy of Sciences<br><br />“No adverse health effects attributed to genetic engineering have been documented in the human population.”<br><br />American Medical Association<br><br />“There is no scientific justification for special labeling of bioengineered foods. Bioengineered foods have been consumed for close to 20 years, and during that time, no overt consequences on human health have been reported and/or substantiated in the peer-reviewed literature.”<br><br />European Commission<br><br />“No scientific evidence associating GMOs with higher risks for the environment or for food and feed safety than conventional plants and organisms.”<br><br />French Academy of Science<br><br />“All criticisms against GMOs can be largely rejected on strictly scientific criteria.”<br><br />Union of German Academics and Scientists<br><br />“In consuming food derived from GM plans approved in the EU and in the USA, the risk is in no way higher than in the consumption of food from conventionally grown plants. On the contrary, in some cases food from GM plants appears to be superior in respect to health.“<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-30295733164190622172014-06-24T07:43:05.456-10:002014-06-24T07:43:05.456-10:00I get the feeling that when the anti-GMO movement ...I get the feeling that when the anti-GMO movement first began, Joan was on board, for a while. But then it got crazy, illogical, and turned into something more about votes and less about what's good for this island. <br /><br />I've said it before and i'll say it again: In today's world of genetically modified and pesticide protected foods, we live longer than we ever have in human history. Ask a hungry sudanese orphan if he gives two shits whether his food is genetically modified or was grown with pesticides. <br /><br />My friend worked for a "organic" farm on a work-trade contract where they let her live in a shack in exchange for farm work and help bringing their stuff to market. They mixed their vegetables liberally with what they bought at Cost-Co and sold them as locally grown organic at a %300 mark-up. EVERY WEEK. She told me. I asked her if she'd tell a police officer that and she said no and she was afraid she'd be in trouble for doing it too. <br /><br />I got a family to feed. I'm buying from Cost-Co and Wal-Mart and whatever else comes cheap. Is my kid's fruit-loops made from GMO corn? Yea probably. So were the fruit-loops I've eaten all my life. I'm healthy, fit, and still alive at 33. 150 years ago, that was 3/4ths my life expectancy. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-24369200932519413192014-06-24T06:02:29.115-10:002014-06-24T06:02:29.115-10:00I support buffer zones , unfortunately the buffer ...I support buffer zones , unfortunately the buffer zones Dustin and the Babes got for us, do not allow crops to be grown in them and DOES allow pesticide use with 24 hours notice. If the corn companies cannot grow anything, they will resort to pesticide use in order to comply with the nothing growing there thing.<br />Buffer zones that don't allow pesticide use is what we wanted but not at all what they demanded,just what they said they got, maybe that is where the lack of education comes in. And yes, they have fabulous PR working on this to tell us what they want us to think things say. The reality seems not to matter. <br />Our poorly educated kids here were ripe for the taking. Big egos make it possible. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-8566863958458434752014-06-23T22:50:58.007-10:002014-06-23T22:50:58.007-10:00The internet has everything, good, bad, truths, li...The internet has everything, good, bad, truths, lies, pure hearts and devils. Seriously, who opposes full disclosure and reasonable buffer zones? And what is wrong with the precautionary principle? But using women as window dressing to catch the eyes of teenage boys or psychologically stunted adults? And running a high school dropout as the big ticket candidate? This movement is more bowel than historic. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-45001433921869966962014-06-23T19:11:50.926-10:002014-06-23T19:11:50.926-10:00Barca seems like a thug.
If he showed up to mow yo...Barca seems like a thug.<br />If he showed up to mow your lawn would you worry? <br />High school drop out with self confessed violent tendencies on a mission from god.<br />He does have a cadre of over educated underemployed rabid anti gmo activist, social media experts. Some great instagram youtube clips <br />He's the anti gmo warrior, just don't let him talk too much away from the accepted sound bites.<br />Never mind the documented delusions on the level of X Files season three,.<br />Chem trails, 9-11 denial, Anti Vaccination, Glen Beck One world-ism.<br />Also thuggish threats on a rogue "anonymous " website.<br />Andy better check Dustin's position on Jews or he may feel a little uncomfortable at the torchlight rallies. Also sad to see the female apologists who feel "attacked" by truly snarky comments calling BS on their hysterical, hyperbolic over the top anti toxin public rants, condoning actual physical threats of violence on a female journalist who "disrespects" them. <br />Welcome to the Taliban mindset. <br />The end does justify the means. <br />We must live chemical free or else.<br />Anyone caught with oven cleaner or Chlorox beware. It IS a poison/ toxin that is a sin to our precious earth mother Aina.<br />Cut/ Paste/ Spin/this Snark. <br />May you reap what you sow.<br />The earth is flat , if you go too far you do fall off the edge.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-78709496364652239012014-06-23T17:42:29.373-10:002014-06-23T17:42:29.373-10:00JoAnn didn't set Tim up, she just played polit...JoAnn didn't set Tim up, she just played politics well. He was being disingenuous demanding his poor tax change pass. Why rush yet another not well thought out piece of crap? Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-59362603991976278542014-06-23T14:03:25.497-10:002014-06-23T14:03:25.497-10:00The Garden Island hasn't been a source of news...The Garden Island hasn't been a source of news for years. <br />I hope that this election will not be purely based on GMOs, there are many issues facing Kauai.<br />The Anono Blog is much ado about nothing. Lots of Vicodin, Booze and a sprinkle of Zoloft in that estrogen fueled dither. It will burn out, but it is a real compliment to Joan Conrow, for a group to target her, steal her name and reach deep for velly velly bad things to say.<br />Sorry Joan, I guess you really are a bogey person. <br />Perhaps someone can help out, the link below,(if this comment gets on Kauai Eclectic) is a short segment of a recent Council meeting. Did Joann Yukimura set Tim up? She certainly is calm, cool and collected. And, will Tim Bynum be made to apologize to the Council for pencil throwing and arm (fistee) waving antics?<br />Copy and Paste<br />https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=859645490730792&set=vb.615389521823058&type=2&theaterAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-39984621343967061282014-06-23T11:26:08.819-10:002014-06-23T11:26:08.819-10:00The "blog with no name" denies anonymity...The "blog with no name" denies anonymity to others while granting anonymity to themselves. "All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others." -George Orwell<br /><br />People that treat themselves fairly but deny such fairness to others are creating an unlevel playing field. They make others out themselves so they have a known target to attack, <br />while preventing attacks on themselves.<br />If you post, you have made yourself a potential target for unfair and unknown people. Priceless!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-55475776372192778072014-06-23T11:15:26.293-10:002014-06-23T11:15:26.293-10:00Counter argument was the wrong wording I guess, my...Counter argument was the wrong wording I guess, my apologies. I really don't think pointing out why people always say you are pro seed is attacking you. Dr Savage makes his living defending biotech. Is there anyone who doesn't work for biotech and doesnt work against biotech who we could look to to give us an analysis. Does anyone else even care? And if they told us one thing or another, would we just discredit it because they don't work in the field? <br /><br />And I just have to say, corralling me into the 'movement" is just as offensive to me as someone calling you a paid shill for biotech is to you. ariajuliethttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09765478185769131382noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-78989354297433668222014-06-23T09:12:26.147-10:002014-06-23T09:12:26.147-10:00seems Andy contributes possibly too. and since th...seems Andy contributes possibly too. and since the writers read this blog, <br /> if you are proud of your work, own itAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-27819455255522190552014-06-23T09:09:20.793-10:002014-06-23T09:09:20.793-10:00To Aria Juliet -- I wasn't offering Dr Savage ...To Aria Juliet -- I wasn't offering Dr Savage as the "counter argument," but pointing out he was disputing the use of his statistics. Deliberately distorting my reference as a way to attack and discredit me is yet another example of how your movement operates.Joan Conrowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00172330100788007499noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-3938094243227146142014-06-23T09:05:34.784-10:002014-06-23T09:05:34.784-10:008:59 -- It's easy to recognize Juan and Nomi&#...8:59 -- It's easy to recognize Juan and Nomi's style.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-31437674089852130072014-06-23T09:00:25.196-10:002014-06-23T09:00:25.196-10:00The Center for Food Safety sponsored a "home ...The Center for Food Safety sponsored a "home rule" concert event in Waimea (Big Island) on Saturday. Pretty bizarre to see a bunch of lawyers from New York intervening in local politics. From one of the ads on their facebook page:<br /><br />"We need to have the power to determine what is right for us on our own islands. We need HOMERULE!<br /><br />Your voter registration is your ticket in!"<br /><br />That ad was posted the day after Kamehameha Day.Luke Kambichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01961053492165298697noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-12500928798979353872014-06-23T08:59:01.939-10:002014-06-23T08:59:01.939-10:00Anon 8:48am: How do you know? Who/what is your sou...Anon 8:48am: How do you know? Who/what is your source?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com