tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post8754331896300846129..comments2023-10-17T04:51:08.765-10:00Comments on KauaiEclectic: Musings: Opt for FairJoan Conrowhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00172330100788007499noreply@blogger.comBlogger42125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-64939703514572697332013-12-13T12:32:15.520-10:002013-12-13T12:32:15.520-10:00What KIUC does in the future cap or no cap is up t...What KIUC does in the future cap or no cap is up to KIUC and the Board we elect but the Two Waiahi Hydro's that have been in service since the turn of the century produces energy at 5 cents a Kwh. Fact!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-90483232079334700132013-12-13T10:09:02.716-10:002013-12-13T10:09:02.716-10:00December 11, 2013 at 9:13 PM
We'll you sound ...December 11, 2013 at 9:13 PM<br /><br />We'll you sound a bit irritated, your number 5 comment says it all though " board members are filthy rich so they shouldn't be on the KIUC board" quote/ unquote! All I see is jealousy, the rest is pure gibberish drivel.<br /> <br />If all of what is said has no actually meaning then prove that 1) KIUC does not have a cap on PV home installations. 2) There is no hydroelectricity that will or is available for less than half of KIUC $.44 per Khr. 3) KIUC did not attempt to secure water/dam rights through PLDC. 4) There is no alternate way for KIUC to read those analog meters. (customers could take and send pictures through smart phones) instead of paying the extra costs. 5)Prove that smart meters have saved its rate payers. Them box is never green and is rarely yellow. 6) KIUC is going to use the extra 300k + to pay for their new solar farm. 7) KIUC did not over pay for the utility company by 50 million dollars that the rate payers are footing the bill for with the highest Khr in the nation.<br /><br />Now if you can answer those questions with FACTS then maybe you are worth something in this discussion.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-12213089472697167602013-12-12T09:32:51.396-10:002013-12-12T09:32:51.396-10:00Aloha Steve,
Re: 12/7/13 7:12pm.
I appreciate you...Aloha Steve,<br /><br />Re: 12/7/13 7:12pm.<br />I appreciate your technical correction on generator spin. In my<br />limited 3 minute testimony before the KIUC board that was picked up<br />by 8:22, I kept it simple so people could understand the fact that<br />our generation is completely responsive to load.<br /><br />True the spin stays the same as we use more fuel when the load<br />increases to prevent a slowing of the generator spin. <br /><br />The frequency of the power output of most generators is dependent on<br />rotational speed of the engine (or other source of rotary motion).<br />When the electrical load increases, this increases the load on the<br />engine, which will slow it down if the fuel supply remains constant.<br /><br />Thus, strictly speaking, when a light is turned on the monitoring<br />system at KIUC will increase fuel supply to the generator in order to<br />maintain a constant rotational speed.<br /><br />Debates about technicalities of generator operation vs. simplifications<br />for laypeople and time constraints aside, the end result is the same:<br /><br /><b>Data coming from the smart meters arrives long after the load has been<br />responded to by the generator control systems</b> (according to KIUC's<br />literature, as much as 4 <i>hours</i> after), <b>thereby rendering it useless<br />for managing generators.</b><br /><br />So I should have said that when you turn on a light, more fuel is<br />burned. The sun comes out, less fuel is burned. If a cloud covers<br />the PV panels more fuel is burned. It has nothing to do with any<br />management by smart meters or the smart grid. We've been<br />integrating renewables like hydro since the beginning of<br />electrification.<br /><br />Many thanks, <br />Neal ChantaraNeal Chantaranoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-72504479885311050092013-12-11T21:13:13.813-10:002013-12-11T21:13:13.813-10:00We'll you sound a bit irritated, your number 5...We'll you sound a bit irritated, your number 5 comment says it all though " board members are filthy rich so they shouldn't be on the KIUC board" quote/ unquote! All I see is jealousy, the rest is pure gibberish drivel.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-47421338675679675612013-12-11T18:40:40.128-10:002013-12-11T18:40:40.128-10:00a lot of you are sheep and Bissell is your master....a lot of you are sheep and Bissell is your master.<br /><br />1) smart meters hasn't prove to saved anyone any money on their monthly bill.<br /><br />2) there is a cap on PV solar systems that can be installed on homes and businesses. then after that no one else can install pv because KIUC will be losing money.<br /><br />3) red and reread TGI letters to the editor december 1, 2013 by Arruda. he makes valid points.<br />4)there is a hydroelectric company trying to sell KIUC green energy for less than half of what KIUC is charging people per kilowatt hr.<br /><br />4) KIUC has tried to claim dam/water rights to build hydro electricity in which they were in cahoots with pldc and the mainland company.<br /><br />5) those board memebers are filthy rich they dont need to be on KIUC board. just another elitist group of power hungary people.<br /><br />6) KIUC is playing the GMO tactics of dividing and conquering the community. <br /><br />7)KIUC is discriminating against its own rate payers which is in violation of a coop.<br /><br />8)Fire, ready, aim is KIUC's motto.<br /><br />Greed is what KIUC is all about and their monopoly is sickening.<br /><br />Now there is storage batteries available for your PV system so you can be totally off the grid.<br /><br />Screw those evil dirty old men of KIUC.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-72631713375879567192013-12-10T16:44:48.208-10:002013-12-10T16:44:48.208-10:00Re 9:11 am post
Fact: The smart grid / smart met...Re 9:11 am post<br /><br />Fact: The smart grid / smart meter program cost was $10.5 mil. Of that total 50% was paid for by a Federal Stimulus Grant. Leaving KIUC with a $5.5 mil balance. The elimination of 7 full time meter readers and support would save KIUC enough to have the balance paid off in a few years.<br /> The additional fees as you state will be because of the remaining three meter readers that will work exclusively for those members requiring an opt-out.<br /> Regarding the PUC, All Coop's on the mainland offering an opt-out charge a set up fee and monthly charge as our PUC has approved. The only difference is and you can thank our PUC for that is the monthly $10.20 is probably the cheapest of all.<br /> Also noted is whatever financial overages that hit the balance sheet at the end of the year as a profit are returned to our members as patronage capital. This information has been disseminated dozens of times by KIUC.<br /> <br />Note: Roof tops solar project outputs were calculated manually prior to smart meters. Now it's real time data. In some instances line repair technicians had to physically drive up a street to see if any roof top solar was existing. <br /><br />Steve RapozoAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-41502314929164476002013-12-09T09:11:47.392-10:002013-12-09T09:11:47.392-10:00http://gettingsmarteraboutthesmartgrid.org/press_r...http://gettingsmarteraboutthesmartgrid.org/press_release.html<br />Nieghbors, <br />I found above link rational. It sounds true to me…Astounding that 90% of the members bought in to this "canard—a story or hoax based on specious claims about energy benefits…” That Mina Morita and the PUC supported this rationale is troubling. I suppose, people will calculate that if they are not charged the $10.27 fee, they are making money with their smart meter. What was the hidden fee we all payed and are continuing to pay? Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-69017944414150743302013-12-08T23:18:12.571-10:002013-12-08T23:18:12.571-10:00Anyone putting the flyers to stop the fees from KI...Anyone putting the flyers to stop the fees from KIUC on telephone poles along Kuhio Hwy in Kapaa might just want to know it is against the law.<br /><br />Reason if a worker needs to climb the pole with spikes it causes a hazard.<br /><br />Might think twice on how the actions of some reflects on the causeAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-91502093585562706842013-12-07T21:32:35.225-10:002013-12-07T21:32:35.225-10:00Karen Chun, Here's the scientific facts about ...Karen Chun, Here's the scientific facts about Smart Meter negative affects on red blood cells and the central nervous system:<br /><br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y4JDEspdx58<br /><br />http://aaemonline.org/docs/SMCS.pdf<br /><br />http://www.austinsmartmeters.com/home/smart_meter_mechanismsAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-51332176876166885652013-12-07T19:12:51.199-10:002013-12-07T19:12:51.199-10:00Regarding 8:22
Generators don't speed up and ...Regarding 8:22<br /><br />Generators don't speed up and KIUC I believe, doesn't do spinning reserve. They have strict generation management guidelines based on efficiency. If KIUC needs additional generation a standby unit will begin it's start up process. When cloud cover causes intermittences KIUC has Battery Energy Storage Systems (BESS) to mitigate outages and premature startup's. When the Koloa BESS came on line it eliminated 18 outages in the first month. KIUC will also be adding another large BESS system with the Anahola solar project. In my opinion, Solar, BESS, and Hydro managed by a Smart Grid (smart meters ) are the most favorable combination for Kauai.<br /><br />Note: KIUC has one 27.5mW generation unit in Kapaia that runs almost constantly. They have an additional twelve units at Port Allen ranging from 2mW to 23.7mW. <br /><br />Steve RapozoAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-15216929434947004412013-12-07T02:35:19.805-10:002013-12-07T02:35:19.805-10:00So if smart meters are going to decrease fossil fu...So if smart meters are going to decrease fossil fuel consumption, I have no problem with the people who refuse to help save fuel use by refusing to allow a smart meter having to pay an extra ten dollars. To me it's about reducing greenhouse gasses and pollution, and the anti-smart meter crowd is on the wrong side of this one. Silly cause. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-83422528267985161182013-12-06T21:14:03.009-10:002013-12-06T21:14:03.009-10:00National Institute for Science, Law & Public P...<br />National Institute for Science, Law & Public Policy<br />November 2012 Report on the Smart Grid<br />http://gettingsmarteraboutthesmartgrid.org/press_release.htmlAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-83374789480233582512013-12-06T20:22:27.062-10:002013-12-06T20:22:27.062-10:00As more solar comes online, the generator slows do...As more solar comes online, the generator slows down. A cloud comes over, the generator speeds up. What happens when we get to and exceed our demand during the sunny hours? The generator will have to keep spinning to be ready for backup. (This isn't very efficient, but the smart grid won't change this.) What the smart grid will allow is for KIUC to remotely shut off PV systems THEY choose, to keep their own centralized PV systems operating at peak (and the cheapest power for KIUC). <br /><br />More info here: http://stopsmartmeters.org/why-stop-smart-meters/smart-meters-green-or-greenwash/<br /><br />If anyone has alternate views, please support them with links to research done by independents with no industry money/influence behind them, thank you.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-57744887829406991852013-12-06T20:08:02.672-10:002013-12-06T20:08:02.672-10:00https://doc-0g-7g-docsviewer.googleusercontent.com...https://doc-0g-7g-docsviewer.googleusercontent.com/viewer/securedownload/dsn1aovipa7l846lsfcf94nedj8q2p4u/9ssjjikbcnaojc7id6q10gh2jsoiv7ek/1386392400000/c2l0ZXM=/AGZ5hq8BgbJY1gwaOYx83cPOdNw6/WkdWbVlYVnNkR1J2YldGcGJueHlkMjlzWm5OdmJqRXdPSHhuZURveU0yUTBNRFV6TTJRd09USTFZVFk1?sec=AHSqidYZuIopE0-8lc8rxB0TSUfhuTdKLmLE7vSV-j-LHSIOpP2lKljaMeVW6qGh30ZpPHO6uriG&a=dl&filename=Smart+meter+presentation8.pdf&nonce=202815ron0tl0&user=AGZ5hq8BgbJY1gwaOYx83cPOdNw6&hash=rncjhqaj9919anrfkskdnqerf08a7mt7Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-18447784794963212042013-12-06T14:34:48.389-10:002013-12-06T14:34:48.389-10:00No, it's too late to re-visit the opt-out in a...No, it's too late to re-visit the opt-out in a ballot. A petition has to be submitted within 20 days of the Board action.Joan Conrowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00172330100788007499noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-18461046928921717722013-12-06T13:24:10.511-10:002013-12-06T13:24:10.511-10:00Joan,
Do we need another petition to approve the ...Joan,<br /><br />Do we need another petition to approve the opt-out by a ballot vote or can we add it to this ballot?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-81071362149560242542013-12-05T20:47:11.225-10:002013-12-05T20:47:11.225-10:00I respect your opinion but scientific evidence is ...I respect your opinion but scientific evidence is not based on paranoia.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-1278060619358655712013-12-05T19:26:28.166-10:002013-12-05T19:26:28.166-10:00FYI: All the comments submitted to this post were ...FYI: All the comments submitted to this post were published. Comment moderation has been on for a couple weeks now. Joan Conrowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00172330100788007499noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-89994087269658704092013-12-05T19:11:14.947-10:002013-12-05T19:11:14.947-10:00It is not true that we need a smart grid to utiliz...It is not true that we need a smart grid to utilize renewable energy.<br />And if those that choose to retain a safe, time-tested analog meter, rather than submit themselves and their children to radiation 24/7 (yes, I know KIUC's version is different, pls do the research for yourself) should be charged for that choice, then so should the folks who choose to live far from the electric utility and require many miles of poles and power lines and the additional maintenance for those.....<br />The whole point of a coop is that it shares the cost burden equally between all members.<br />Interesting that comment moderation has been enabled, and that 99% of the comments are supportive of Joan's views....mmmmm.....and that I know people whose comments are not shown here, like this one likely will not be shown.....Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-88354639129624067342013-12-05T18:47:55.769-10:002013-12-05T18:47:55.769-10:00"Take Back Your Power" is propaganda "Take Back Your Power" is propagandaAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-45568171983680073332013-12-05T15:48:15.627-10:002013-12-05T15:48:15.627-10:00Thanks Luke,
For your intelligent explanation of ...Thanks Luke,<br /><br />For your intelligent explanation of the benefits of smart meters and why we need a smart grid for peak shaving, load management and a sustainable energy future for Kauai.John Wehrheimnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-75502704950085121162013-12-05T14:16:15.298-10:002013-12-05T14:16:15.298-10:00If the issue was addressing costs rather than puni...If the issue was addressing costs rather than punishing those who value their health, privacy or who are concerned about long term costs of the smart grid and grid security, KIUC could slash the cost of meter reading by implementing a post card system, a phone in system or an on online reporting system. <br /><br />Rather than criticizing those who bothered to look past industry propaganda and question the wisdom of this grid, please do some research. Watching the documentary: "Take Back Your Power" would be a good start. <br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-85535298620067228982013-12-05T12:06:03.376-10:002013-12-05T12:06:03.376-10:00An issue I have not seen addressed is the fact tha...An issue I have not seen addressed is the fact that KIUC allowed anyone with an account, including renters, to opt out if they chose. It did not require the consent of the owner. Those renters who opted out have now burdened future renters of that property with monthly fees for manual meter reading. Crazy and unfair! KIUC should have required owners to approve any opt out requests.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-4761031393501303372013-12-05T11:33:01.396-10:002013-12-05T11:33:01.396-10:00No.No.Joan Conrowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00172330100788007499noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-36198173428264110472013-12-05T11:30:09.087-10:002013-12-05T11:30:09.087-10:00Does the use of smart meters necessitate the use o...Does the use of smart meters necessitate the use of smart appliances and other electricals?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com