tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post9034734321618292456..comments2023-10-17T04:51:08.765-10:00Comments on KauaiEclectic: Musings: Dead in the WaterJoan Conrowhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00172330100788007499noreply@blogger.comBlogger20125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-38992239428041487462015-09-24T08:14:32.013-10:002015-09-24T08:14:32.013-10:00ever see the chevron commercial about how humans a...ever see the chevron commercial about how humans are the funniest creatures....people go through great lengths to prove a point even if it almost kills themAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-27039767141479517002015-09-23T20:22:26.767-10:002015-09-23T20:22:26.767-10:00Yes, you are confused. The Mahaulepu dairy is als...Yes, you are confused. The Mahaulepu dairy is also planned for AG land. There is no such thing as the "Hyatt district.". It's also a very different design than the Moloaa dairy. But both would have wealthy neighbors doing no ag in the AG district who would be watching their every move and making their lives miserable. Joan Conrowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00172330100788007499noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-55506644054231608142015-09-23T20:08:06.092-10:002015-09-23T20:08:06.092-10:00anyways people, I live in Moloaa, and have been sm...anyways people, I live in Moloaa, and have been smelling manure, or dairy waste, or something foul all day today. Tell me one thing, IF the OLD Moloa Dairy, in a zoned AG land did not work, why will the NEW AND ImpROVED dairy in The Hyatt district will? I AM confused,except 4 the concept of doing the same old thing while expecting different out comes is the meaning of insanity... <br />Only on Kauai, with our inept council, destroying our aina, did they swallow the pill? Just me, wanting 2 know, what is the reason, for the seeds they sow???? Stop the insanity..... NOW.........Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-71492379399883614182015-09-23T10:52:33.415-10:002015-09-23T10:52:33.415-10:00Oh great Masters in Education...it's Manuahi; ...Oh great Masters in Education...it's Manuahi; not Manuwai. They're two different words the latter being a Maori word. Details are important in most fields. But then to malahini they all look alike.Manuahihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10935756151568533081noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-72491168373629199072015-09-23T08:47:05.023-10:002015-09-23T08:47:05.023-10:007:48, I could care less about educating you. For b...7:48, I could care less about educating you. For better or worse that's your job.<br />Joan is doing a very good job of penetrating the phony fog laid down by Hooerites, Lukenites and their accolytes in her blog. It's an insult to the effort to educate to have comments like those of the MA Ed creep in. The comments weren't worth a pitcher of wam spit, and strayed from the topic into feelings which are the province of HAPA. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-21579542377721221402015-09-22T19:38:56.913-10:002015-09-22T19:38:56.913-10:00So, 6:18 educate us the uneducated! And why you g...So, 6:18 educate us the uneducated! And why you gotta get so mad? Be tolerant---we are not as smart as you are! Why do you think MAEd's opinions mean "jack shit"? Do only your opinions count as meaningful and truthful? I guess if people agree with you than it will be okay!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-84421774777058994102015-09-22T18:18:52.472-10:002015-09-22T18:18:52.472-10:00I do not have a Masters in Education, thank the an...I do not have a Masters in Education, thank the angels. I can't think of anything more useless and that case is made by the comments of 8:44. So, to answer the question posed by 8:44 ... who (sic) do you consider uneducated?" my list would start with people holding MAEd's who give us their opinions on things they they don't know jack shit about. It really presses hard on tolerance for freedom of speech. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-71028093918255984752015-09-22T10:49:31.511-10:002015-09-22T10:49:31.511-10:00@8:44.
First, you may have a masters in education,...@8:44.<br />First, you may have a masters in education, but clearly not chemistry. If it was "very different" from natural caffeine, then it would not be caffeine...whether or not it was made by Monsanto.<br /><br />Second, you sound "fearful" rather than "wary". That's fine but fear is not a good basis for rational policy making.<br /><br />Third, scientific consensus is not achieved by having scientists on "both sides of the issue" (whatever that means) come to an agreement. Rather, it is about the scientific community agreeing on a body of facts and interpretation of those facts. With regards to the use of genetic engineering in agriculture, almost 90% of scientists see no health or safety issue (the percentage is even higher for those with a degree in the biological sciences). Thus, your fear of "gmo" foods is the intellectual outlier.<br /><br />http://www.vox.com/2015/1/29/7947695/gmos-safety-poll Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-43717812928735332682015-09-22T08:44:41.943-10:002015-09-22T08:44:41.943-10:00Manuwai, I am educated (masters in education) and ...Manuwai, I am educated (masters in education) and am wary of gmo foods and the biotech companies' pesticides. Shouldn't we all be? Reading reports, digesting them and not having consensus from scientist on both sides of the issue should make one cautious. By the way, who do you consider as uneducated? Regarding the dairy---i figure that the people who want the dairy somewhere else are the ones who did research and came up with reasons for their concerns. They are very educated and have a strong sense of who they are. I am sure if we educated the "uneducated" about the pros and cons regarding gmo foods, the pesticides used by the biotech companies, they too would question their choices. I learned that the energy drinks on the market have synthetic caffeine in them---created and manufactured by Monsanto. The caffeine is very different from the natural caffeine---be cautious for your children. Read up on this----it may surprise you! Aloha, eat well, keep healthy!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-17140314637642711272015-09-22T07:33:43.849-10:002015-09-22T07:33:43.849-10:00Speaking of environmental hazards, perhaps the per...Speaking of environmental hazards, perhaps the person who is killing the chickens might want to share the secret. Just for curiosity's sake, mind you.,Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-41286710465551582662015-09-22T04:29:07.045-10:002015-09-22T04:29:07.045-10:00Lepto control for dairy? Control the pig populatio...Lepto control for dairy? Control the pig population. That animal has desecrated scared springs in many valleys. Not to mention the streams and watersheds.<br /><br />BTW Grove Farm has a pig control program in operation.<br /><br />You are spot on concerning the water for hotels and subdivisions issue.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-5332612304411849112015-09-21T17:59:08.610-10:002015-09-21T17:59:08.610-10:001:23 PM wrote:
Do you think tourism is a new plagu...<br />1:23 PM wrote:<br /><i>Do you think tourism is a new plague?</i><br /><br />What do you mean, "new?"<br /><br />Read <i>Devil's Bargains: Tourism in the Twentieth-Century American West</i> by Hal K. Rothman.<br /><br />Be warned, it's a rigorously researched, heavily footnoted, 425-page, college level study of what tourism does to places and cultures.<br /><br />And if you love Kauai it will make you weep.<br /><br /><br />Dawsonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-11757498708326496042015-09-21T15:37:34.683-10:002015-09-21T15:37:34.683-10:00What bothers me is ever since the Anti's craw...What bothers me is ever since the Anti's crawled out and made all sorts of unfounded claims about GMOs sowing fear in the minds of the uneducated, everything has become an issue of opinions about what MIGHT happen (fear of the unknown) as opposed to what our centuries of jurisprudence uses....events that actually have happened. If the law were like how the Anti's want it, we'd be putting all Muslims in jail along side any person who possesses a gun because they MIGHT kill someone. All of these recent blow ups by the malahini activists are based on their belief that something MIGHT happen rather than any facts or evidence that it has happened or is happening now. This includes the fright fest over the dairy.Manuahihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10935756151568533081noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-73172727795618622092015-09-21T15:16:16.196-10:002015-09-21T15:16:16.196-10:00@1:23 pm - what about all the anti-GMO groups and ...@1:23 pm - what about all the anti-GMO groups and fanatics who claim that the seed companies doing business on Kauai are going to drive tourism away? Most of these folks - including Gary Hooser - mostly hate tourism and its impacts. But its convenient to hold up the tourism banner when it suits your needs. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-19450525914135305542015-09-21T13:37:57.645-10:002015-09-21T13:37:57.645-10:00No, it's not just FOM and the Hyatt. . Re-read...No, it's not just FOM and the Hyatt. . Re-read what I wrote and please don't mischaracterize my views. We're speaking generalities here, and the stances of movements and groups. I don't profess to know the mindset of everyone who self-describes as an environmentalist. Joan Conrowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00172330100788007499noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-7064859272077335842015-09-21T13:23:03.472-10:002015-09-21T13:23:03.472-10:00So, one group is in alignment with the Hyatt over ...So, one group is in alignment with the Hyatt over 1 issue, and you have decided that "enviros are supporting tourism over AG". Wow. Quite a stretch. You have given the Friends of Mahaulepu the right to speak for all the various environmental concerns and groups. <br /><br />I consider myself an environmentalist; please do not speak for me or align me with any group speak. <br /><br />Do you think tourism is a new plague?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-14452535848757620882015-09-21T13:04:21.105-10:002015-09-21T13:04:21.105-10:00The Ku'ia-Waita tunnel is what some (Don Heaco...The Ku'ia-Waita tunnel is what some (Don Heacock) call the Huleia diversion. <br /><br />What is your source that more water is being diverted from Huleia now than during sugar?<br /><br />As for my source that enviros are supporting tourism over AG, we see it in their alliance with the Hyatt against the dairy and their claim that seed crops shod be booted because they're bad for tourism, among other examples. If you agree tourism is an unconscionable replacement for AG, you'd best chat with FOM, Gary Hooser and the anti-GMO groups, because that's where they're taking us. <br /><br />With all the current fallow land, no AG uses are displacing food crops. That's a major fallacy. And IAL allows food and/or fuel crops to be grown. Joan Conrowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00172330100788007499noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-65019369279541268962015-09-21T12:38:56.523-10:002015-09-21T12:38:56.523-10:00I believe your article refers to the Hule`ia River...I believe your article refers to the Hule`ia River diversion as being created in 1957, not the Waita Reservoir. You date many ditches, but not the Hule`ia diversion that is being referred to. Makes no sense.<br /><br />After sugar went pau, all water leases were supposed to be re-negotiated. Diversions must state the purpose of the water diverted (what kind crop), and the quantity needed. Cattle take way less water than sugar. Furrow flooding cane lands took massive amounts of water. More water is being diverted from the Huleia now. Why? <br /><br />It's not about "wrestling water away from ag" as you state, it's about truthful reporting of water need and use. Do you think it's OK to use surface flow water in ditches, which was intended for agriculture, for all the new Puhi shopping center and subdivisions? Ag water being sold to cruise ships? Is tubing the flume a viable agricultural public use? Is the water for growing bio-diesel trees displacing water and land that would have been used to grow food?<br /><br />You have confused and layered many issues. <br />What is your source that "environmental activists embrace tourism over agriculture"? Replacing agriculture with tourism is unconsionable as well as you making that assumption.<br /><br />So what's the lepto conrol plan for the dairy? Vaccines? Antibiotics?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-38484852229746325752015-09-21T11:27:16.627-10:002015-09-21T11:27:16.627-10:00I can't live on kale at all, what ever that we...I can't live on kale at all, what ever that weed is. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-84727004235664368742015-09-21T09:56:24.373-10:002015-09-21T09:56:24.373-10:00Thanks, Joan. You pull away the heavy curtains of...Thanks, Joan. You pull away the heavy curtains of distraction and obfuscation so we can see more clearly.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com