tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post1223161535549695756..comments2023-10-17T04:51:08.765-10:00Comments on KauaiEclectic: Musings: Naughty and NaughtJoan Conrowhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00172330100788007499noreply@blogger.comBlogger45125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-18802331284044103212015-06-21T07:27:25.495-10:002015-06-21T07:27:25.495-10:00If you are local you must be guilty is racist.If you are local you must be guilty is racist.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-70256216943997962422015-06-21T07:26:37.536-10:002015-06-21T07:26:37.536-10:007:51 says Council speaks in racist code and the to...7:51 says Council speaks in racist code and the top Haole politicians put on a fake local accent so they can "pass as local" - signs of an institutionalized racist culture. <br />You are so wrong, it is like adopting an accent, not racist at all. If you around people from the south, you start taking with a bit of a twang or if you are in NY, you might start talking with that east coast accent, but it is not an insult to talk local style unless you are trying to act local when you are not.In the case of the council, they are local, all but garyh.Your comments are like wanting a black person to loose his accent and sound white. Now that's a bit racist.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-29453586759301853042015-06-19T11:37:16.941-10:002015-06-19T11:37:16.941-10:00This is a criminal issue. Nothing more. This is a criminal issue. Nothing more. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-74637347742419828132015-06-19T09:00:54.776-10:002015-06-19T09:00:54.776-10:00June 18 at 12:11 and June 19 at 7:51 to equate the...June 18 at 12:11 and June 19 at 7:51 to equate the racism experienced by slaves and their descendants with the isolated incidents of frustration and anger felt and expressed by a few born and raised here is beyond ignorant. Signs of an institutionalized racist culture? When the cops start shooting unarmed whites with regularity or start pulling people over for driving while white or white kids are segregated into crappie schools then you can bitch about institutional racism.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-52597982106347097432015-06-19T07:51:42.399-10:002015-06-19T07:51:42.399-10:00Another race-based NS incident.
Thinks are getti...Another race-based NS incident. <br />Thinks are getting bad. <br />Sometimes jail is necessary. <br />Council speaks in racist code and the top Haole politicians put on a fake local accent so they can "pass as local" - signs of an institutionalized racist culture. <br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-41258415544056990302015-06-18T18:48:54.560-10:002015-06-18T18:48:54.560-10:00In response to Robin Clark (8:32pm)....from Wikipe...In response to Robin Clark (8:32pm)....from Wikipedia- <br /><br />"The Mayerson law firm, with Sgt. Charles E. Hartz as their principal client, filed the first U.S. Agent Orange class-action lawsuit, in Pennsylvania in 1980, for the injuries military personnel in Vietnam suffered through exposure to toxic dioxins in the defoliant.[78] Attorney Hy Mayerson co-wrote the brief that certified the Agent Orange Product Liability action as a class action, the largest ever filed as of its filing.[79] Hartz's deposition was one of the first ever taken in America, and the first for an Agent Orange trial, for the purpose of preserving testimony at trial, as it was understood that Hartz would not live to see the trial because of a brain tumor that began to develop while he was a member of Tiger Force, Special Forces, and LRRPs in Vietnam.[80][81] The firm also located and supplied critical research to the Veterans' lead expert, Dr. Ronald A. Codario, M.D., including about 100 articles from toxicology journals dating back more than a decade, as well as data about where herbicides had been sprayed, what the effects of dioxin had been on animals and humans, and every accident in factories where herbicides were produced or dioxin was a contaminant of some chemical reaction.[76]<br /><br />The chemical companies involved denied that there was a link between Agent Orange and the veterans' medical problems. However, on May 7, 1984, seven chemical companies settled the class-action suit out of court just hours before jury selection was to begin. The companies agreed to pay $180 million as compensation if the veterans dropped all claims against them.[82] Slightly over 45% of the sum was ordered to be paid by Monsanto alone.[83] Many veterans who were victims of Agent Orange exposure were outraged the case had been settled instead of going to court, and felt they had been betrayed by the lawyers. "Fairness Hearings" were held in five major American cities, where veterans and their families discussed their reactions to the settlement, and condemned the actions of the lawyers and courts, demanding the case be heard before a jury of their peers. Federal Judge Julius Weinstein refused the appeals, claiming the settlement was "fair and just". By 1989, the veterans' fears were confirmed when it was decided how the money from the settlement would be paid out. A totally disabled Vietnam veteran would receive a maximum of $12,000 spread out over the course of 10 years. Furthermore, by accepting the settlement payments, disabled veterans would become ineligible for many state benefits that provided far more monetary support than the settlement, such as food stamps, public assistance, and government pensions. A widow of a Vietnam veteran who died of Agent Orange exposure would only receive $3700.[84]<br /><br />In 2004, Monsanto spokesman Jill Montgomery said Monsanto should not be liable at all for injuries or deaths caused by Agent Orange, saying: "We are sympathetic with people who believe they have been injured and understand their concern to find the cause, but reliable scientific evidence indicates that Agent Orange is not the cause of serious long-term health effects."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-7922880216081425732015-06-18T12:11:35.019-10:002015-06-18T12:11:35.019-10:00As even our politicians on Kauai seem to pump raci...As even our politicians on Kauai seem to pump racism, we can predict the results.<br />"Suspect in Charleston church attack detained as nation again confronts race and violence"Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-4268553219914075242015-06-18T12:02:52.863-10:002015-06-18T12:02:52.863-10:008:32 pm- please don't perpetuate the myth that...8:32 pm- please don't perpetuate the myth that Agent Orange was somehow thought to be safe . Agent Orange was a mixture of two commercial herbicides (2,4,5-T and 2,4-D). The problem was that this mixture was contaminated by a by-product in the synthesis, namely TCDD, commonly called dioxin. Dioxin was known even in 1967 to be one of the worst of carcinogens. The dioxin contamination was pointed out to the U.S. military by Monsanto, one of the manufacturers (Dow was the other). The military thought this was even better as they were of course using Agent Orange as a weapon of war (as with Napalm, another sad story). Agent Orange was not used like a normal herbicide, but was applied in massive quantities as a defoliant to kill everything in its wake. So whilst Monsanto and Dow get the blame from the uninformed, it was the US military that was the real culprit. This was a true war crime but has nothing to do with the current discussion about herbicide use.Robin Clarknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-641041656045713582015-06-18T10:41:44.938-10:002015-06-18T10:41:44.938-10:00@9:28 - If you haven't already, you should rea...@9:28 - If you haven't already, you should read "Inferno" by Dan Brown. It is a fictional novel, but it focuses on exactly what you just pointed out. Interesting read, and a possible glimpse into our future.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-10260396185136954112015-06-18T09:28:39.328-10:002015-06-18T09:28:39.328-10:00US Population in 1960 was 180 million.
US Populati...US Population in 1960 was 180 million.<br />US Population in 2014 was 317 million.<br /><br />All this talk about food security and hungry people and against developing residences. It all seems futile when human populations are doubling here in the US every 40 years. <br /><br />If you are 55 years old, it is about twice as crowded now as it was when you were a kid. Maybe as they figure out how to make food for all these people they can build in some GMO contraceptives. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-55554921202544338552015-06-18T09:24:45.933-10:002015-06-18T09:24:45.933-10:00No scolding is necessary -- it's just the anon...No scolding is necessary -- it's just the anonymous trolls who have tried to create confusion.<br /><br />There were two episodes -- one with Gary and the French crew at G&R/Pioneer land, where the photo was taken, and one with just the French crew, and not Gary, at Syngenta.<br /><br />In both cases, folks were caught trespassing in fields and police were called and trespassing reports were made.<br />Joan Conrowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00172330100788007499noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-3850834825455042872015-06-18T09:19:21.335-10:002015-06-18T09:19:21.335-10:00So he wasn't busted?
Time for scold your sourc...So he wasn't busted?<br />Time for scold your source. <br />So confusing - how was there a photo if it did not happen?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-44399713569657162952015-06-18T08:48:29.041-10:002015-06-18T08:48:29.041-10:00I checked in again with the Syngenta folks, and th...I checked in again with the Syngenta folks, and they offered this clarification of what happened with the French filmmakers. Gary was not part of this episode:<br /><br /><i>They showed up in our fields [last] Wednesday without warning. We had no idea who they were and filed a [trespassing] police report. <br /><br />On Thursday afternoon they (French journalist and cameraperson) showed up at our gate asking for an interview. Josh [Uyehara] met with them and spoke briefly “off the record,” then offered to check with our mainland media relations team about an interview. He promised to get back to them on Friday. Friday afternoon, he declined the interview but emailed to them the contact information for our media relations in Washington D.C.<br /><br />On Monday, the French crew showed up at our gate in Kunia on Oahu. They had not contacted our media relations people and asked again for an interview on the spot. They were referred again to our media relations people in Washington D.C.</i><br />Joan Conrowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00172330100788007499noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-21315334152022104982015-06-18T08:19:10.648-10:002015-06-18T08:19:10.648-10:00good/good; good/bad; bad/good; bad/bad. smart/smar...good/good; good/bad; bad/good; bad/bad. smart/smart; smart/dumb; dumb/smart; dumb/dumb. one can go on and on. bad/bad & dumb/dumb. scary combination. they will defend their belief no matter what. if you don't like what they say they want to clobber you. they will not see it any other way but theirs because they do not know they are wrong. smart/smart will accept them as they are. keep up the great work Joan. i had to look in the dictionary what vitriol was. sulferic acid?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-67762101203561149672015-06-18T07:19:48.047-10:002015-06-18T07:19:48.047-10:00Oh, quit hiding behind that and man up. I identif...Oh, quit hiding behind that and man up. I identify myself every time I write a post, and yes, I get vitriol, but so what? I don't care if people post anonymously, but if they're asserting that I'm lying and they're telling the truth, it comes down to credibility. And how much credibility can an Anonymous claim?Joan Conrowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00172330100788007499noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-82680290418719351542015-06-18T07:15:43.572-10:002015-06-18T07:15:43.572-10:00With all the vitriol that appears so often in thes...With all the vitriol that appears so often in these comments, why on earth would anyone in their right mind want to identify themselves?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-2180761036225655832015-06-18T07:15:18.979-10:002015-06-18T07:15:18.979-10:00@6:37, no evidence of pesticide drift, poisoning o...@6:37, no evidence of pesticide drift, poisoning or contamination from pesticide applications performed by the seed companies, but you believe and insist it happened/happens; photographic evidence available of Gary Hooser and other trespassing, and you believe and insist it did not happen. Sad. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-38406904108373865482015-06-18T06:50:14.234-10:002015-06-18T06:50:14.234-10:006:37 -- You are terribly misinformed. I did talk w...6:37 -- You are terribly misinformed. I did talk with the Syngenta folks. The French film crew showed up at the front gate last Wednesda, with no appointment, and asked to do interviews. They were told to contact corporate HQ in Honolulu for permission. They didn't seek permission, but instead trespassed into one of the Syngenta fields to do filming. Syngenta called police and made a trespassing report.<br /><br />But again, this just shows how you folks will flat out lie to advance your agenda and cover your tracks. Oh, and if you want to be accepted as a credible source, you should start by identifying yourself.Joan Conrowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00172330100788007499noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-62756940114800235202015-06-18T06:37:32.311-10:002015-06-18T06:37:32.311-10:00@5:54 mark my words. We will never see any pictur...@5:54 mark my words. We will never see any picture of Hooser standing in the fields. Cause it didn't happen. French film crew were not busted trespassing at Syngenta either. They went there to meet and interview the manager which they did. Ask SYNGENTA manager Joshua if you want confirmation. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-23650234234410096072015-06-18T06:27:36.950-10:002015-06-18T06:27:36.950-10:00Society has many types of people and businesses.
W...Society has many types of people and businesses.<br />We need builders and realtors for our housing.<br />We need Ag, tourism, offices, stores etc to provide for our needs.<br />And we need Government to make all of the processes more expensive, complicated and impossible.<br />The government on Kauai is not for the people, the laws that Council passes are against the people. Try name one law that gave more freedom? No can. Only higher fees, more rules, complicated laws and preferential enforcement.<br />And now Da Hoos trespasses. Laws are for some but not others.<br />Bynum costs the County over a million and hits a personal 300K jackpot (gift from the Council0, Jay runs the worst Council in history is denied re-election and gets a high paying poofy job from his political allies, Gary uses his Council prestige and acts as if he was anointed by Council to act as representative of the Island, Gary Trespasses....all a bunch of BS. <br />Our political leaders have become a clique. Isolated from the people and are ONLY for themselves. Kauai a "government of the Council, by the Council, for the Council, shall not perish from the providing big pensions, power, income and glory to the Council."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-9986140387809048712015-06-18T06:05:09.940-10:002015-06-18T06:05:09.940-10:00Get real, development does not support Aloha Aina ...Get real, development does not support Aloha Aina and all the real estate land developers trying to get rid of agriculture on this island via no cows, no corn, no nothin except tourists is not aloha aina. <br />How much restricted use pesticides are used at the resorts and the golf courses ? Aloha aina more like aloha more dollars. Please tell me any issue the real esnakes have ever cared about besides themselves?If they really cared about poison use, not the eventual sale and development of the land, princeville would be the topic of their angst.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-32797934945568263362015-06-18T05:54:49.964-10:002015-06-18T05:54:49.964-10:00June 17 @6:24, you must think that Joan Photoshopp...June 17 @6:24, you must think that Joan Photoshopped the picture of Gary standing on Pioneer property. Yeah, that's the ticket!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-90108142358283169252015-06-18T05:47:36.768-10:002015-06-18T05:47:36.768-10:00"What do kanaka maoli cultural practitioners ..."What do kanaka maoli cultural practitioners think of these westside seed companysʻ methods of farming and caring for the land?"<br /><br />Do they even know what the companies' methods are???Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-29455568525557614582015-06-18T05:38:36.418-10:002015-06-18T05:38:36.418-10:00@8:40 - could you provide more detail on those pra...@8:40 - could you provide more detail on those practices? Then they could be compared to current practices of all farmers. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-48114386448378192332015-06-18T00:04:36.158-10:002015-06-18T00:04:36.158-10:00@ 8:40 you are asking questions that you already k...@ 8:40 you are asking questions that you already know the answer to.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com