tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post1346494977859373007..comments2023-10-17T04:51:08.765-10:00Comments on KauaiEclectic: Musings: Burial ObfuscationsJoan Conrowhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00172330100788007499noreply@blogger.comBlogger30125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-39069770609556934182009-12-16T16:35:04.663-10:002009-12-16T16:35:04.663-10:00You people should really check the two other blog ...You people should really check the two other blog posts: musings on the path", and Cipping Away, and also Hope Springs Eternal.<br /><br />I literally took a beating on the musings on the path blog post right here on Joans blog.<br /><br />For any of you that think it may be a really bad idea to put the path on the sand due to many concerns, you should go and see how crazy the posting got on those posts.<br /><br />I posted a lot on those ones, so I really don't want to repeat myself here, And Joan did a great job with her original, creative and beutiful writing.<br /><br />There is a lot more debate on those posts as we.. I would recommend checking them out.<br /><br />AlohaPunohu's Politics,Environment and Culturehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14855749379420613725noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-89464863108784135332009-12-11T15:12:30.343-10:002009-12-11T15:12:30.343-10:00Remember it was Chandler who recieved a monthly ch...Remember it was Chandler who recieved a monthly check from DLNR to do nothing out on the north shore...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-89713262735256220382009-12-09T12:12:08.243-10:002009-12-09T12:12:08.243-10:00I guess its okay to call Maunakea Trask Ian Jung &...I guess its okay to call Maunakea Trask Ian Jung "Saturday Night Live spooof" and "Two twits," but saying the same about Jeff Chandler is out of bounds?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-33970382134532045722009-12-08T16:00:50.040-10:002009-12-08T16:00:50.040-10:00Maunakea Trask and Jung jr are a full blown Saturd...Maunakea Trask and Jung jr are a full blown Saturday Night Live spooof.<br /><br />Two twits, still wet behind the ears, acting cocky, arrogant and like theyʻre ʻin the leagueʻ. It was really quite sad and sickening at the same time. If they only knew what they look like to everyone theyʻd be wearing a frown of humble pie.<br />Guess Jung jr is following in footsteps of father to pursue a safe salary because the apple donʻt fall far from the tree when it comes to nothing special in the lawyering skills. Canʻt imagine him in a legal environment that didnʻt have daddy government to nurture his inadequacies.<br />Same goes for the Trask character.<br />No wonder this county gets sued so much. And Tagupa. What a prize!<br /><br />Shaylene did good cleaning out her department.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-58160582989612956712009-12-08T14:53:19.437-10:002009-12-08T14:53:19.437-10:00It was a circus, with the County clowns stealing t...It was a circus, with the County clowns stealing the show. From the beginning, with Mayor Bernard addressing the crowd in Hawaiian, then reading a speech written by Asst. Mayor Beth Tokioka, to Maunakea Trask stating that there are no burials on Wailua Beach, and to Doug Haigh being exposed as a liar, it was a wonderful and entertaining circus. Thanks for the show.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-68147969282650235542009-12-08T08:47:57.326-10:002009-12-08T08:47:57.326-10:00Anonymous said...
I;m sure it was a circus.
Perh...Anonymous said... <br />I;m sure it was a circus.<br /><br />Perhaps if your butt showed up you might have learned a thing or two. Looks like the consultants, county, state and feds have dropped the ball in many places through the "process".Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-73586486765110307692009-12-08T07:00:01.012-10:002009-12-08T07:00:01.012-10:00I;m sure it was a circus.I;m sure it was a circus.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-87194143658179854022009-12-07T21:48:58.238-10:002009-12-07T21:48:58.238-10:00heard there were 350 in attendance...heard there were 350 in attendance...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-60876537188300033492009-12-07T20:11:50.012-10:002009-12-07T20:11:50.012-10:00RE: HOOSER, MORITA,ET ALL....
this is a county is...RE: HOOSER, MORITA,ET ALL....<br /><br />this is a county issue......do not touch w/ten foot poleAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-90567451226552467252009-12-07T19:32:10.091-10:002009-12-07T19:32:10.091-10:00"Path on Wailua Beach — the possible presence..."Path on Wailua Beach — the possible presence of Hawaiian burials"<br /><br />-- "possible" seems a pretty reasonable description<br /><br /><br />"How come we haven't heard from Hooser or morita. They will claim support of kauai but are missing when there are real issues to comment on."<br /><br />-- what?...you would put this in your top 5 list? would hope poor, hungry, and uneducated people are in that list<br /><br /><br />"Note: historical photographs of the area show there is NO WAY any bones are buried on the north end of Wailua Beach - why - BECAUSE THERE WAS NO BEACH."<br /><br />-- we dont do fancy pants evidence here<br /><br /><br />otherwise, should be some good reports from the bike path party. we need another fiasco of a town meeting. find out if anti SF people stiff got their mojoAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-55518910060636924032009-12-07T16:38:14.842-10:002009-12-07T16:38:14.842-10:00"I tell you one thing: When the Hawaiians get..."I tell you one thing: When the Hawaiians get whatʻs rightfully theirs...there wonʻt be any more squabbling."<br /><br />---adorable <br /><br />;)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-48470261525364927122009-12-07T16:23:00.876-10:002009-12-07T16:23:00.876-10:00Yes but ʻMayorʻ Tokioka should be there.Yes but ʻMayorʻ Tokioka should be there.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-89939789576193415422009-12-07T16:19:02.111-10:002009-12-07T16:19:02.111-10:00Hooser, Morita, Tokioka, and our councilmembers ar...Hooser, Morita, Tokioka, and our councilmembers are all silent. They don't have the guts to take a stand in a controversial issue.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-74908332969774991882009-12-07T16:11:30.102-10:002009-12-07T16:11:30.102-10:00"Assumptions about a hypothetical future do n..."Assumptions about a hypothetical future do not justify the status quo -- except to those interested in maintaining it.<br /><br />Your argument smacks of the ancient "we have to govern them because they can't govern themselves."<br /><br />December 7, 2009 2:51 PM<br /><br />Thatʻs a good reply.<br /><br />And itʻs not about ancient vs modern. Only the foreigners (haoles) think that way and infect Hawaiians with their self-serving mentality.<br />Itʻs about JURISDICTION. POLITICAL AUTHORITY.<br /><br />I tell you one thing: When the Hawaiians get whatʻs rightfully theirs...there wonʻt be any more squabbling.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-89496785712968200482009-12-07T15:42:19.628-10:002009-12-07T15:42:19.628-10:00I'm totally for the status quo.
If it tips an...I'm totally for the status quo.<br /><br />If it tips any way, tip it towards mainland mentalities.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-66085375176056685262009-12-07T15:16:32.064-10:002009-12-07T15:16:32.064-10:00How come we haven't heard from Hooser or morit...How come we haven't heard from Hooser or morita. They will claim support of kauai but are missing when there are real issues to comment on.<br />Is there an election out in the future...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-12301909395079788842009-12-07T15:05:52.817-10:002009-12-07T15:05:52.817-10:00Assumptions about a hypothetical future do not jus...<i>Assumptions about a hypothetical future do not justify the status quo -- except to those interested in maintaining it.</i><br /><br />The idea that there is anything wrong with the status quo (path along the beach) is one opinion out of many and one that not all, or maybe even not most, Hawaiians share. So don't get your nose out of joint.<br /><br /><i>Your argument smacks of the ancient "we have to govern them because they can't govern themselves."</i><br /><br />Huh?! You completely missed the point. You gotta follow the thread of the conversation.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-62635402682741250762009-12-07T14:51:34.005-10:002009-12-07T14:51:34.005-10:00"why do you think a Hawaiian government would...<i>"why do you think a Hawaiian government wouldn't be dealing with the same controversy? The Hawaiian government isn't going to be a stone age government. It's going to be a modern government governing a modern country. There will be the same controversies of tradition vs. modernization that we have today. Hawaiians are all over the map on iwi. Do you suppose they will all of a sudden join together and be of one mind about it when there is a Hawaiian government? Of course not."</i><br /><br />Assumptions about a hypothetical future do not justify the status quo -- except to those interested in maintaining it.<br /><br />Your argument smacks of the ancient "we have to govern them because they can't govern themselves."Dawsonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-27935234470061362932009-12-07T13:52:22.810-10:002009-12-07T13:52:22.810-10:00why do you think a Hawaiian government wouldn'...why do you think a Hawaiian government wouldn't be dealing with the same controversy? The Hawaiian government isn't going to be a stone age government. It's going to be a modern government governing a modern country. There will be the same controversies of tradition vs. modernization that we have today. Hawaiians are all over the map on iwi. Do you suppose they will all of a sudden join together and be of one mind about it when there is a Hawaiian government? Of course not.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-65265347608972932892009-12-07T13:31:32.641-10:002009-12-07T13:31:32.641-10:00Thanks Dawson.
Thatʻs the point and the problem.
...Thanks Dawson.<br />Thatʻs the point and the problem.<br /><br />Until the proper political authority has been transferred and is in place, the ragtags will continue the free-for-all on Hawaiian lands.<br /><br />So when we discuss ʻwhose lawsʻ that can only be addressed by the proper claimants stepping forward: Hawaii Nationals. (And yes they can be of all races) <br /><br />This is about...!!! <br />CITIZENSHIP!!! NOT RACE!!! AND YES THESE ARE DEFACTO LAWS OF A DE FACTO GOVERNMENT ILLEGALLY OCCUPYING THE LANDS OF HAWAII!!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-55922055068359455842009-12-07T12:49:28.605-10:002009-12-07T12:49:28.605-10:00Note: historical photographs of the area show ther...Note: historical photographs of the area show there is NO WAY any bones are buried on the north end of Wailua Beach - why - BECAUSE THERE WAS NO BEACH. <br /><br />And the south end - totally descreated by the installation of the cane bridge.<br /><br />get over it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-80995974142423945662009-12-07T12:11:40.341-10:002009-12-07T12:11:40.341-10:00"I hope all of the empassioned people can kee...<i>"I hope all of the empassioned people can keep your emotions in check and listen to facts, laws, and logic in the meeting tonight."</i><br /><br />Whose "facts, laws and logic?"<br /><br />You mean the spin doctored facts, stacked-deck laws and self serving logic of the power mongers who play games with the truth.Dawsonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-92197236094010362092009-12-07T11:55:11.300-10:002009-12-07T11:55:11.300-10:00"Pua Aiu is Hawaiian but has no clue either.&..."Pua Aiu is Hawaiian but has no clue either."<br /><br />I don't meant this to be insulting, but this is what I need help understanding ...<br /><br />I keep reading that the proposed beach route will offend the Hawaiians, but then it seems that the Mayor (Hawaiian) favors the beach route, one of the County Attorneys (Hawaiian), favors the beach route, apparently Paua Aui (Hawaiian) is predicted by someone to favor the beach route, and there are a bunch of Hawaiians with the same view - and there are a bunch of Hawaiians with an opposite view. They then dismiss those Hawaiians who favor the path as "not having a clue".<br /><br />Is there some sort of heirarchy of Hawaiians, that says the ones who oppose the path are the true Hawaiian voice, or should have more clout than those who favor the path? I mean, the mayor, attorneys, educated Hawaiians telling us the path is good, and its been in planning since 2006 (where was the opposition then, before everyone put so much effort in PLANNING it) - but now, way after its all planned, other Hawaiians (and their "followers") saying its all wrong. Who is a girl to believe?<br /><br />It reminds me of the world thinking bad about all americans because Bush was president. <br /><br />Are Hawaiians race traitors if they support the beach route? Is that the accusation? <br /><br />As more and more Hawaiians seems to be saying they support the beach route, and more are also coming out on the other side, its seems more and more to simply be a situation of you can't please all of the people (or Hawaiians) all of the time - and waiting till its all been planned and is ready to be built before mobilizing a big oppositions seems ineffective and unfair.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-60474846632029106732009-12-07T09:45:44.961-10:002009-12-07T09:45:44.961-10:00I hope all of the empassioned people can keep your...I hope all of the empassioned people can keep your emotions in check and listen to facts, laws, and logic in the meeting tonight.<br /><br />Yes, let's also add to that list the kapu or sacred laws of nature and the land.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-14575210929979304582009-12-07T09:08:46.625-10:002009-12-07T09:08:46.625-10:00I hope all of the empassioned people can keep your...I hope all of the empassioned people can keep your emotions in check and listen to facts, laws, and logic in the meeting tonight.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com