tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post1587563595934739775..comments2023-10-17T04:51:08.765-10:00Comments on KauaiEclectic: Musings: On Pre-EmptionJoan Conrowhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00172330100788007499noreply@blogger.comBlogger43125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-49163144232837928562014-07-26T23:10:51.441-10:002014-07-26T23:10:51.441-10:00Human beings are a flash in the pan in terms of th...Human beings are a flash in the pan in terms of the history of the earth. Enjoy yourself, it's later than you think.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-52741715225798694192014-07-26T21:08:57.820-10:002014-07-26T21:08:57.820-10:00@ 1:29 pm,
Is that you Juan? Islandbreath is the ...@ 1:29 pm,<br />Is that you Juan? Islandbreath is the only place Peak Oil Doom by Nat Hentoff is kept on life support after 10 years of waiting and actually finding out we have more oil than we ever dreamed of having!<br /><br />Pete AntonsonAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-19176663320799367862014-07-26T13:29:27.547-10:002014-07-26T13:29:27.547-10:00Gee Luke, I guess you know oil is not renewable an...Gee Luke, I guess you know oil is not renewable and has peaked. The low hanging fruit has been picked. The world will soon be going back to the necessary of using human labor to provide our food. Industrial agriculture will be just a flash in the pan in terms of the history of this earth. We will be going back to full employment along with a rapid population reduction more in line with the preindustrial agricultural methods. We have just been eating the oil and poisoning the environment so we don't have to work so hard and some people can get rich.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-39786517871220506332014-07-26T11:58:16.621-10:002014-07-26T11:58:16.621-10:00We need a charter amendment that requires mayoral ...We need a charter amendment that requires mayoral candidates to graduate from high school. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-68713429849742812592014-07-26T11:30:56.654-10:002014-07-26T11:30:56.654-10:00The fistee mob action is what's undemocratic. ...The fistee mob action is what's undemocratic. If people are foolish enough to vote for Barca on a single issue for which he was merely used as a pawn that will be a true blow to democracy. But that isn't going to happen. Barca is going to fail spectacularly, just like 960.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-7721931894594348962014-07-26T11:06:38.026-10:002014-07-26T11:06:38.026-10:00"The companies would work toward mitigating d..."The companies would work toward mitigating drift if they weren't in the cross hairs of a segment of the population and Hooser fistees. "<br /><br />And THERE you have it. Seed Co. people telling you that they would fix the problem if Kauai local government was not telling them to fix the problem. Fundamentally, the Seed Co. view is anti-democratic. "Oh yeah Kauai and Big Island - you think you can tell US what to do?" <br /><br />I think many will be surprised at how many votes the otherwise unqualified Barca gets from single-issue voters.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-37978561599558542622014-07-26T10:39:49.176-10:002014-07-26T10:39:49.176-10:00"Gee, how did farmers ever manage before the ... "Gee, how did farmers ever manage before the chemical company started selling them their poisons."<br /><br />Here's how they managed: in 1910, agricultural workers made up 31 % of the US workforce. Before effective herbicides existed, countless people spent their days pulling weeds by hand. On modern organic farms in the US, poor migrant laborers do most of this work, helped by gas-guzzling, soil-damaging mechanized tilling. And before insecticides and fungicides, some farmers *didn't* manage. <br /><br />Not to claim that pesticides are the only reason things changed- mechanization was probably the biggest factor. And the way that insecticides were used early on was definitely flawed. But with all the talk about the real or imagined human cost of pesticides, most of which are now carefully engineered for low off-target toxicity, there needs to be some recognition that their absence would also have a human cost. <br /><br />It's absolutely mind boggling to hear hippie "permaculturalists" here pushing for a return to the era of stoop labor, while they collect EBT because it was too much trouble to keep up with the wainaku grass in their bean patch.Luke Kambichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01961053492165298697noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-85367317847841231202014-07-26T08:46:10.140-10:002014-07-26T08:46:10.140-10:003:01 Why Joan does not block your name calling com...3:01 Why Joan does not block your name calling comments is incomprehensible. You must have something better to say or do. Gee, how did farmers ever manage before the chemical company started selling them their poisons. Lucky for us our ancestors did not starve. DDT was hailed as a miracle until vectoring insects developed resistance and non target creatures like fish and birds started to be wiped out. Bald eagles and brown pelicans were nearly eliminated. No testing needed, us spray away all your problems, until oops. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-87619109364567445342014-07-26T08:24:28.686-10:002014-07-26T08:24:28.686-10:009:27 PM
So you say, but your premise is that even ...9:27 PM<br />So you say, but your premise is that even the controlled use of pesticides is inherently bad for people and the environment. I do not accept that premise.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-64419681136953603222014-07-26T08:18:15.333-10:002014-07-26T08:18:15.333-10:00Councilman Hooser has been working on the problems...Councilman Hooser has been working on the problems big ag. creates on Kauai for a long time! He has met with people in Waimea, Kekaha ever since the Waimea Canyon School incident. He has heard the concerns from the local westsiders. In fact, he has been the only one i can think of who has done so---on his own time and with good intentions. So, if people think he has polarized the community, his work has created awareness and brought to light how dangerous/harmful the chem industry can be. Those who don't believe what he has brought to light will bash, minimize his intentions and mock him---so doing they polarize the community! So those who blame Hooser and Bynum for "flaming the emotions", should look at their intentions---if they disagree, than be willing to disagree, but do it without blame. Tell us your truths and try to educate us on your positions--we may buy in to what you have to put on the table!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-24662872335148467862014-07-25T21:27:23.069-10:002014-07-25T21:27:23.069-10:003:01 Farmers reliance on pesticides as their main ...3:01 Farmers reliance on pesticides as their main control strategy is not only unsustainable, but also extracts penalties in terms of human and environmental health. These penalties are sometimes borne by pesticide users themselves, but in many cases, it is other sectors of society who may be adversely affected. These ‘externalities’ result in economic costs which are not reflected in the price of pesticides and there is therefore no direct market incentive for users to change their pest control practice to reduce these costs.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-35722620254034886502014-07-25T20:42:30.088-10:002014-07-25T20:42:30.088-10:00Joan- Even if the court slam dunks the Ag companie...Joan- Even if the court slam dunks the Ag companies and upholds every part of the law, appeals and other legal battles will continue. The law, if put into effect will do nothing to stop dust and drift.<br />The companies would work toward mitigating drift if they weren't in the cross hairs of a segment of the population and Hooser fistees. Right now, they are in a no win predicament. <br />The major problem, in many people's opinion, is the division of the island. Locals vs. Haoles, so to speak. How do we bring a little harmony to the situation? Right now, most people do not even want to talk about GMOs or herbicides, because they are afraid they will be burnt at the stake. I hold Hooser and Bynum responsible for flaming the emotions. Perhaps if these two were no longer on the Council, cooler heads could prevail and meaningful communication would ensue.<br />Of course, Jay or the next Council Chair would have to actually lead and keep all testimony from Council members and public on point. Even the Council members themselves could be calling "point of order" any time any one spoke off topic....but Joan, you are sensitive and have insight into this cultural divide, what are your thoughts on how to bring Kauai back together? If you would share your thoughts, it could be a good thing, your blog is read by many and your opinion is valued.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-71371319166177646552014-07-25T16:44:32.327-10:002014-07-25T16:44:32.327-10:00Dr. Shibai has a PhD, summa cum laude in Shibai.Dr. Shibai has a PhD, summa cum laude in Shibai.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-20260722471359794812014-07-25T15:01:22.404-10:002014-07-25T15:01:22.404-10:00The so-called Dr. Shibai said, “If it takes pestic...The so-called Dr. Shibai said, “If it takes pesticides to grow crops, why not find something else or get some education on how to do it?”<br /><br><br />This is so typical of a statement from a pseudo-intellectual who of course knows squat about agriculture yet thinks he is so smart and ag people are ignorant so he feels obligated to share some of his great wisdom with them. God will the earth keep creating these nincompoops? <br /><br />I’m surprised with his ego Shibai isn’t running for office himself. But then maybe he’s worried that he'll expose himself for being what he actually is: all mouth and zero thoughtful, original ideas. "Just sayin'"<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-2852639810105844352014-07-25T14:14:17.402-10:002014-07-25T14:14:17.402-10:00"If a good law had been passed it wouldn'..."If a good law had been passed it wouldn't be in court."<br /><br />That is naive. Many controversial laws are challenged in Courts. Some are struck down, some are upheld, some are upheld in part and struck down in part. <br /><br />The third one may be what happens on 2491.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-66862030942979052402014-07-25T13:35:52.926-10:002014-07-25T13:35:52.926-10:00Dr Shibai what new knowledegable conscious people ...Dr Shibai what new knowledegable conscious people are even running ? You may think the lawyers squabbling is BS but that's the reality of the system and the situation. If a good law had been passed it wouldn't be in court. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-58154299601621893252014-07-25T13:31:55.792-10:002014-07-25T13:31:55.792-10:00Where do you think the county is going to get the ...Where do you think the county is going to get the $ to fight big $? Is young Barca prepared to raise property taxes or cut services to get $ for legal battles? Oh wait, isn't he getting campaign contributions from big $ himself ?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-55698725376152896702014-07-25T13:15:19.975-10:002014-07-25T13:15:19.975-10:00Amen to that 10:04 AM. As long as our state and co...Amen to that 10:04 AM. As long as our state and county officials are beholden & afraid to tackle big money and their lawyers, our island and her people suffer big time! <br /><br />Time for CHANGE, let's get younger folks and new blood in government and all those boards & commissions. <br />So much power in the same hands all these years!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-10345789347829037372014-07-25T10:04:50.651-10:002014-07-25T10:04:50.651-10:00This is not so much about laws as common sense.......This is not so much about laws as common sense....it is about the destruction of the soil for future use in more sustainable ways to feed the island ...saturated with Round up and other toxic chemicals, poisoning the water, air, and neighborhoods on a small island.<br /><br />It brings to mind that if we are concerned about the health of people and the island we should also demand responsibility from the State and County as well as the Golf Courses, and citizens who Over Use pesticides and do not look for healthier alternatives for weed control. (make more Money for the pesticide companies)<br /><br />Just because a farm is non GMO does not mean it will be pesticide free. Kauai coffee and others use "heavy pesticides". If it takes pesticides to grow crops, why not find something else or get some education on how to do it?<br /><br />How much can an Island take? What is the saturation point? Will we need to drill into the Mountains to find non contaminated water because our wells and streams are polluted?<br /><br />All the squabbling with lawyers and egos is just BS. Those with ALL the money Always win in court.<br /><br />Lets get some new conscious and knowledgeable people in office! <br /><br />This county stinks with ignorance, egoism, racism,greed, nepotism, and negligence.<br /><br />Nothing gets done, lots to do about something but nothing is being done that helps the land and the People. <br /><br />Big money is here to stay.<br /><br />Dr ShibaiAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-27231242251563164932014-07-25T07:32:45.102-10:002014-07-25T07:32:45.102-10:00Wow 9:02 you make a lot of sense. You've done...Wow 9:02 you make a lot of sense. You've done your research and thanks for sharing.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-40532408485040492492014-07-24T21:30:16.275-10:002014-07-24T21:30:16.275-10:00Mary LNU and 5:46 --More BS- Did the Kauai Doctors...Mary LNU and 5:46 --More BS- Did the Kauai Doctors send any letters with their concerns to the DOH, EPA or CDC? In Honolulu, one Doctor (cover Honolulu Magazine) sends one letter to DOH about a weight loss natural organic pill. And Bammo, the DOH and Feds shut this company down in two shakes. This was an unregulated company, but somehow this single solitary Doc had FACTS to back up her claim. One Doc and FACTS.<br />It is an old tactic to bring up cancer and birth defects...it hits hard, BUT-<br />Da Hoos and Jackpot and their furious li'l fistees have NO facts. The Kauai Docs have No Facts, lots of emotion, a large portion of rich, retirees who do not want ANY economic activity on Kauai (except some restaurants and yard/pool services) so they can enjoy their new found EDEN. <br />After Hoos, Chock and Bynum get dumped, the new Council members can go to Big Ag and talk. Big Ag will work to stop dust etc. But they will not do Jack Pack as long as they are targeted by a few Council people who are on a personal vendetta to get National attention for themselves. <br />Da Hoos and Bynum do not care about the Locals. Somehow Mason Chock has become an accomplice. C'mon Mason, man up, stand on your own. <br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-51879864449178031872014-07-24T21:19:08.713-10:002014-07-24T21:19:08.713-10:00it'll go to the 9th circuit soon regardless of...it'll go to the 9th circuit soon regardless of outcome here...next level judges with purge the corrupt disclosures by our mayor with the "unconstitutional" county opinion he let out...its all a big party of deception. Dig into the hierarchy of Syngenta and others and realize they are world wide deceivers. their board of directors are all worth multi millions, never stepped foot on a farm, have zero clue where their sewage is poured into other countries rivers. Plenty to be optimistic for regardless of the hybirid posturing. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-48810431365434643322014-07-24T21:02:31.198-10:002014-07-24T21:02:31.198-10:00"Twenty years ago a fellow attorney was teach..."Twenty years ago a fellow attorney was teaching at a Kauai high school. Born and raised in California, she mentioned that she'd never encountered such a high incidence of autism."<br /><br />Nope. Twenty years ago was 1994. The uptick in autism diagnoses internationally had just begun, but not at all on Kauai. Fourteen years ago, the Kauai rate was about 1 in 1100, while the CDC was reporting a national rate of 1 in 166 children. The rate was even higher in California. Perhaps your friend lost touch with her home state? <br /><br />Some of us suspected that the low rate on Kauai was due to lack of ASD aware doctors. We worked to get kids off island for experts and even to fly some over. The rate did rise, but still well below the national average. <br /><br />The records are available through the DOE as children with disabilities are reported under Federal laws (Voc Rehab and IDEA). There was no epidemic of autism on Kauai 20 ago. And although the rates today are higher than before, they are higher internationally.<br /><br />DOE was under Federal review due to the Felix Consent Decree for 10 years, so there is substantial documentation. Real evidence, not anecdotal. <br /><br />I know a couple of doctors are now talking about the possibility of higher birth defects and cancer, but where is the evidence? Certainly, it doesn't exist for cancer as shown by the state's data. <br /><br />I also know doctors, therapists and hospital personnel on the Westside are majorly po'd about the claims of possible high birth defects and cancer by a couple of doctors, but they can't respond because of HIPAA privacy restrictions. However, DOE reports the number of children with disabilities by category and school, including birth to 3 years old, and that data doesn't support the wishy washy claims of possible Westside problems by two medical people.<br /><br />So, yeah, anecdotal "evidence" can be discounted.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-87946000752547953412014-07-24T20:52:18.056-10:002014-07-24T20:52:18.056-10:00That "legal crapola" may well result in ...That "legal crapola" may well result in the law, passed at 3 in the morning at the insistence of Bynum and Hooser, being tossed out. Which is why Hooser told Joan that he didn't care about enforcement. As long as it passed, he could play the hero to his fisted minions. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-69298107677188894802014-07-24T20:19:14.095-10:002014-07-24T20:19:14.095-10:00There is no scientific proof linking the incidents...There is no scientific proof linking the incidents at WC School with anything other than rapid "common sense" type conclusions. Children are very open to suggestion and will behave as they are led to believe is expected; including being physically ill.<br /><br />The Davis autism study was conducted by a board member of an antichemical advocacy group as wellas an autism advocacy group. It was a survey study, no pesticide measuring of any kind was done, sample was way too small (less than 500, should be 2000+), had a highly questionable study model, and had counter intuitive results (those 1.5 miles from fields had fewer cases than those 2.5 miles away); but, it made a good headline if that's all you read!<br /><br />Legitimate autism research is pointing to a genetic etiology. Chasing vaccines and every evironmental fad that surfaces just wastes the time of those who work in that field. I do, and did so for 14 years on the South and West sides of Kauai. <br /><br />Pete Antonson Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com