tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post1608660604907027543..comments2023-10-17T04:51:08.765-10:00Comments on KauaiEclectic: Musings: Getting ItJoan Conrowhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00172330100788007499noreply@blogger.comBlogger27125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-73207927411452675512013-04-03T09:24:12.382-10:002013-04-03T09:24:12.382-10:00"You folks sure love to dress up your issues ...<i> "You folks sure love to dress up your issues with overdevelopment and mis-use of the rules with BS side issues.<br /><br />Like the idea that once every 50 years or so a handful of people who ignore tsunami warnings might drown is really an important concern?"</i><br /><br />Now where have we heard that head-in-the-sand defense of the status quo before?<br /><br />Oh yeah -- from Larry Vaughn, the mayor of Amity Island in <i>Jaws.</i><br /><br />HOOPER: Mr. Vaughn, what we are dealing with here is a perfect engine - an eating machine. It's really a miracle of evolution. All this machine does is swim and eat and make little sharks, and that's all. Now why don't you take a long, close look at this sign. Those proportions are correct. <br /><br />VAUGHN: Love to prove that, wouldn't ya. Get your name into the National Geographic.Dawsonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-81140067180207479862013-04-03T06:01:20.526-10:002013-04-03T06:01:20.526-10:00I get it that some people don't get your point...I get it that some people don't get your point , but guaranteed those are not the people who lived through the tsunami, had loved ones die, or that experienced the reality of the 46 and 57 tsunami's.<br /> No building would be possible in the tsunami and flood zone without the flood insurance program provided by the gov. that allows building in the hazard zone only above the flood hazard. The Federal gov insure the buildings as long as they meet the height requirements.Now it seems pretty clear from your abuse chrons, the county has allowed many to completely abandon the requirements and has increased the hazards .<br />Tsunami's come from many directions, and warnings don't always allow for the hours of time to evacuate. Some people may be fooled since we have had several warnings and events that did not come to pass, but historically speaking, time is not on our side.My vote is the county needs to investigate this abuse and correct it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-32751334035456380392013-04-02T22:55:59.490-10:002013-04-02T22:55:59.490-10:00You folks sure love to dress up your issues with o...You folks sure love to dress up your issues with overdevelopment and mis-use of the rules with BS side issues.<br /><br />Like the idea that once every 50 years or so a handful of people who ignore tsunami warnings might drown is really an important concern? In this day and age, tsunami alerts come hours in advance of the waves. Even in way out Haena, there's time to get out or get up hill. <br /><br />All this is angst is similar to the flap about the trees in Koloa. The issue was too rapid development, but the emotional hook was some trees, many of which were unhealthy in the first place. It discredits those making these silly arguments. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-6122330064106069772013-04-02T21:29:51.036-10:002013-04-02T21:29:51.036-10:00April 1, 2013 at 9:23 PM, his realtor told him, &q...April 1, 2013 at 9:23 PM, his realtor told him, "Yeah, the property comes with the beach, which is always really wide, and it's safe for swimming all year 'round". Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-84328446905042121792013-04-02T20:45:12.010-10:002013-04-02T20:45:12.010-10:00It's all about the money. Ain't that Ameri...It's all about the money. Ain't that America?<br /><br />"Lawmakers in New York Tied to Bribery Plot in Mayor Race"<br /><br />The two men sat in the state senator’s parked car in suburban Rockland County, but New York City was at the front of their minds and the focus of their conversation. <br /><br /> What the senator, Malcolm A. Smith, wanted to do, the other man explained, was going to cost “a pretty penny.”<br /><br />“But it’s worth it,” replied Senator Smith, a Democrat, according to a transcript of the January meeting. “Because you know how big a deal it is.” <br /><br />http://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/03/nyregion/state-senator-and-city-councilman-accused-of-trying-to-rig-mayors-race.html?hp&_r=0Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-92026331775435884802013-04-02T13:38:13.818-10:002013-04-02T13:38:13.818-10:00Thanks Joan- I just keep thinking "can you ev...Thanks Joan- I just keep thinking "can you even fathom the liability?" It's almost incalculable with all the gross- and active- negligence multipliers. And we're sooo overdue. Andy Parxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15398587036690312685noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-89041077951338128012013-04-02T12:36:45.385-10:002013-04-02T12:36:45.385-10:00You ask: "What exactly is IT that people have...You ask: "What exactly is IT that people haven't "gotten"?"<br /><br />I'll spell it out: An area where 14 people died in a tsnuami, an area that is frequently cut off from outside help, an area that regularly experiences high waves and flooding, isn't an appropriate place to house hundreds of unsuspecting visitors.<br /><br />If folks CHOOSE to live in the flood zone, that's their choice. But to lure unsuspecting, unaware, unassisted visitors to commercial properties in one of the most dangerous spots on the island — especially housing them in illegal ground floor units in violation of federal flood laws — is a very different story, both ethically and legally.<br /><br />But I'm glad you at least "got it" that these places create a serious environmental impact — one that extends well beyond their wastewater treatment.Joan Conrowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00172330100788007499noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-85258189351163405162013-04-02T12:10:17.929-10:002013-04-02T12:10:17.929-10:00"Fourteen lives were sacrificed in '46, n..."Fourteen lives were sacrificed in '46, no doubt some of them only begotten sons. Yet people still haven't gotten it, all these years later."<br /><br />A little dramatic even for you Joan, although I understand your need for the Easter reference.<br /><br />What exactly is IT that people haven't "gotten"? The entire island is at risk for any number of natural disasters, including devastating hurricanes that could wipe us all out. Should the entire island be roped off and off-limits?<br /><br />Whether they have an illegal 1st floor structure or not, whether it's a lavish TVR or the kind of one room shack that you seem venerate in your articles - these homes are driftwood when the sea comes-a-knockin like it did in '46. I'm just not buying the doom and gloom argument you've tried to make here. <br /><br />The most compelling point you've made is the environmental impact these high-capacity TVRs are having in the area. Anyone who's smelled Hanalei after a good flood knows something ain't right. <br /><br />This is not to say people should be allowed to skirt the law. If the planning department wasn't under the control of a plainly corrupt mayoral administration, the county council wasn't filled with politicians instead of public servants, and the D.A. wasn't scared of his own shadow, there would be some enforcement that fined these folks appropriately and then taxed the bejeezus out of them to ensure that there is proper wastewater infrastructure to limit the environmental impact. It's either that, or knock it all down and rope the place off. But, like I said, if we're going to start saying you can't live somewhere inherently dangerous - Kauai, Los Angeles, New Orleans, and Detroit should be evacuated immediately.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-81121207464310256162013-04-02T08:41:43.260-10:002013-04-02T08:41:43.260-10:00good thing da mayor doesn't have control of th...good thing da mayor doesn't have control of the beach...<br /><br />http://www.scd.hawaii.gov/HazMitPlan/chapter_6_appE.pdf<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-50122575848277067542013-04-02T07:16:05.803-10:002013-04-02T07:16:05.803-10:00Re Wailua was it another one of the back room deal...Re Wailua was it another one of the back room deals planners worked out with developers? did they give the coco palms developers the beach?, maybe that is why da dumbfuck mayor needed to build the bikepath there on the beach like a maniac, maybe that is why they say the path is for access, cause they know they gave your beach away.<br /><br />Or is it more likely the developer does not know what he's talkin about, and does not know Hawaii beaches are not private.<br />Seems planning is full of incompetant crooks, so ya neva know...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-74785587687446751862013-04-01T21:23:25.036-10:002013-04-01T21:23:25.036-10:00So Joan...in today's GI regarding Coco Palms.....So Joan...in today's GI regarding Coco Palms....."The issue of project entitlements and control of the beach is central to a project that intends to recreate the Coco Palms as it looked in its prime, Duddy said. If that is lost then the deal is dead because the hotel needs that element for its marketing goals, he added" <br /><br />CONTROL OF THE BEACH??? WTH? What is he saying?<br /><br /><br /><br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-17407992906077512772013-04-01T21:05:09.895-10:002013-04-01T21:05:09.895-10:00incompetence isn't fraud, maladministration mi...incompetence isn't fraud, maladministration might be...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-35251141481275165442013-04-01T18:18:43.898-10:002013-04-01T18:18:43.898-10:00Good idea, Anonymous 12:24 PM.
Go ahead and toss...Good idea, Anonymous 12:24 PM. <br /><br />Go ahead and toss all county departments in--including the FBI investigating the police shooting of the citizen who was on his roof throwing bamboo poles at the cops and KPD Officer Calio opens fire and kills this 60 year old man.<br /><br />Justice won't be served in the Kauai courts. Glad Dan Hempey took this case.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-75471386052239667492013-04-01T12:24:11.229-10:002013-04-01T12:24:11.229-10:00Perhaps if several dozen readers ask the FBI at on...Perhaps if several dozen readers ask the FBI at once to investigate our corrupt planning department for public fraud something would get done.<br /><br />Vida G. Bottom<br />Special Agent in Charge<br />Honolulu FBI<br />91-1300 Enterprise Street<br />Kapolei, HI 96707<br /><br />Tel: 808 566 4300<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-39227688505448891102013-04-01T09:57:42.816-10:002013-04-01T09:57:42.816-10:00I always find it humorous when topics get hijacked...I always find it humorous when topics get hijacked from the intended topic to (pick one):<br /><br />1) Obama is an idiot<br />2) Obama is the savior<br />3) Challenge the existence of God<br />4) etc.<br /><br />Regarding the 'natural selection' comment ... come on people lighten up. It is a manner of speaking, certainly in (modest) jest by the 'anonymous' author. It's always the way ... it isn't real, doesn't cut close until it is personal. I'm one of those tourists that could be 'naturally selected'. It happens. I just intend to be right with God when it happens to me.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-89819416469206647672013-04-01T09:57:11.241-10:002013-04-01T09:57:11.241-10:00Should no one visit the Midwest because tornadoes ...Should no one visit the Midwest because tornadoes there kill dozens of people every year. A tiny chance of a large disaster is the same kind of choice we make every time we get on an airplane. Nothing to see here. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-67409127745346264482013-04-01T09:50:52.055-10:002013-04-01T09:50:52.055-10:00Only a complete lack of history would lead to toda...Only a complete lack of history would lead to today's reality in that area. It is safe to say, there has been NO PLANNING.Thanks for the reminder, it's not a joke.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-81166050784874860892013-04-01T07:46:12.927-10:002013-04-01T07:46:12.927-10:00It would be tragic to see tourists lose their live...It would be tragic to see tourists lose their lives. The county and residents could also lose their flood insurance or see premiums go up if FEMA finds houses were not in compliance.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-18686871230653355982013-04-01T06:41:16.532-10:002013-04-01T06:41:16.532-10:00to the last poster, how would you feel if the tour...to the last poster, how would you feel if the tourist was your mother or brother? Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-43832692121832592662013-03-31T23:13:58.380-10:002013-03-31T23:13:58.380-10:00Who did the math on that "15 min from the Ale...Who did the math on that "15 min from the Aleutians"???<br /><br />That's hugely off.<br /><br />Tsunami speeds are around 500 MPH in deep water and slow down in shallow water. So 15 min would correspond to about 100 miles away....So unless Oahu is in the Aleutians, this statement is BS. <br /><br />And if a few tourists are subject to natural selection it's not the end of the world.<br /><br /><br />As the Xtianity thing, if "God" is all powerful, why does he/she demand trivial creatures worship him/her? Seems a bit odd.Blahblahblahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14555036430493979079noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-83939265504937809002013-03-31T18:18:52.852-10:002013-03-31T18:18:52.852-10:00I want to be a Christian. But I can't get a C...I want to be a Christian. But I can't get a Christian to satisfactorily answer for me this: If God IS all powerful, then why did he have to kill his son to forgive us?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-28487958843620394302013-03-31T18:00:27.712-10:002013-03-31T18:00:27.712-10:00Religion is a farce. It is the most divisive and v...Religion is a farce. It is the most divisive and violent instrumentalities of all time. More people have died in the name of god than for any other reason. Remember your beliefs do not make you a better person your behavior does. There is never a polite way to tell a person their whole life has been devoted to a folly. Since it is incomprehensible that all the religions are correct the logical conclusion is that try are all incorrect. Think about it. If you were born in Israel you would probably be Jewish. If you we're born in Saudi Arabia you would probably be Muslim. If you we're born in India you would probably be born Hindu. But since you we're born in America you are probably Christian or catholic. Your faith is not inspired by some Devine cause or truth but simply geography. Open your eyes. You are welcome. Happy Easter. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-32751029428464700632013-03-31T16:11:54.842-10:002013-03-31T16:11:54.842-10:00If there was a tsunami along the magnitude of '...If there was a tsunami along the magnitude of '46 can you just imagine the possible loss of life in a fully occupied TVR north shore and the ensuing law suits against the county for allowing such blatantly fraudulently permitted and illegally built (in a flood/disaster zone) visitor accommodations. And the county was worried about being sued for denying a lot of those TVR permits. Unbelievable!! <br /><br /> to anon. 2:36... don't forget the landfill ( trash heap) out Mana way.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-45454053898484317892013-03-31T14:36:35.760-10:002013-03-31T14:36:35.760-10:00A massive tsunami or hurricane is what Kauai needs...A massive tsunami or hurricane is what Kauai needs! It'll be the solution to GMO crops, illegal TVRs, the bike path, AND Coco Palms!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-8936630219588840552013-03-31T14:07:12.780-10:002013-03-31T14:07:12.780-10:00Very Christian of you, could be a life saver if th...Very Christian of you, could be a life saver if the county gets a grip. Or they will wait till after the next tsunami and count the death toll of tourists .Stupid county to put the visitors in places with only that stupid phone book recommendation.<br />15 minutes to evacuate when it comes from the Aleutians, the road along the coast is not an option.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com