tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post2618348847921284456..comments2023-10-17T04:51:08.765-10:00Comments on KauaiEclectic: Musings: Karma's a BitchJoan Conrowhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00172330100788007499noreply@blogger.comBlogger43125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-32617484830151129582014-08-23T16:35:30.521-10:002014-08-23T16:35:30.521-10:007:48 said "Remove the Refactoring"
What...7:48 said "Remove the Refactoring"<br /><br />What in the world is "refactoring"? You failed to mention whomever "we" is that they can increase the military by conscription (drafting people against their will) and then use RIF boards to kick those drafted out all without any "contract". and now you know the rest of the story.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-51058966199433691822014-08-20T07:48:01.844-10:002014-08-20T07:48:01.844-10:00Remove the Refactoring and your statement reads, t...Remove the Refactoring and your statement reads, the government can reduce the military by not renewing contracts. Exactly what we said.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-70638981645324092622014-08-18T11:25:46.990-10:002014-08-18T11:25:46.990-10:00Mahalo Joan.
Joan 10:43 said "However, it doe...Mahalo Joan.<br />Joan 10:43 said "However, it does not seem to me that offering soldiers incentives to retire early and not to re-enlist, nor barring re-enlistment due to stricter standards, is the same as laying off workers at will."<br /><br />True however the Reduction in Forces (RIF) board review process is the stick "a tightening of <b>retention</b> (my emphasis) standards and RIF boards that short-circuited the careers of many thousands of soldiers." As one might imagine going before a RIF and a variety of other punitive administrative measures get people going for the carrot to avoid the stick. Conveniently these tightening of standards and increased scrutiny on performance typically occurs during "peacetime" (no major conflicts). During major conflicts they lower enlistment requirements (IQ, felony convictions etc.) after the conflict they raise retention standards.<br /> Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-76139428228436858572014-08-18T10:43:36.901-10:002014-08-18T10:43:36.901-10:00Thanks, Ed, that was interesting, and I apologize ...Thanks, Ed, that was interesting, and I apologize for mischaracterizing your request as a demand.<br /><br />However, it does not seem to me that offering soldiers incentives to retire early and not to re-enlist, nor barring re-enlistment due to stricter standards, is the same as laying off workers at will.<br /><br />Joan Conrowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00172330100788007499noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-39100118154221475242014-08-18T09:56:43.868-10:002014-08-18T09:56:43.868-10:00Joan wrote, "What confuses me, Ed, is that in...Joan wrote, "What confuses me, Ed, is that initially you were claiming the government could lay off soldiers at will, but now you're saying they can extend their tours of duty at will. Since you demand documentation from others, it seems only fair you should provide it to back up your claims."<br /><br />Joan, Fair enough, however, I did and do not "demand documentation" as you characterized my request. Kind of hard to demand something from anonymous commenters. Perhaps your confusion lies in the fact that the government can and does do both. <br /><br /><b>Proof of involuntary service</b><br />The proof that the government can compel involuntary service is the Gov has in the past and can again at anytime use the draft to compel military service as they did in Vietnam. <br /><br />“Almost all male U.S. citizens, and male immigrants living in the U.S., who are 18 through 25, are required to register with Selective Service. It's important to know that even though he is registered, a man will not automatically be inducted into the military. In a crisis requiring a draft, men would be called in sequence determined by random lottery number and year of birth. Then, they would be examined for mental, physical and moral fitness by the military before being deferred or exempted from military service or inducted into the Armed Forces.<br />Source: U.S. Selective Service System http://www.sss.gov/FSwho.htm<br /><br /><b>“Kerry says U.S. now has ‘backdoor draft’”</b><br />“Democratic presidential challenger John Kerry said Thursday that the Bush administration has instituted a “backdoor draft” by requiring thousands of soldiers to stay in the military if their units are ordered to Iraq or Afghanistan.<br /><br />Kerry said the Pentagon’s announcement of the “stop-loss” program Wednesday may have increased the forces by 30,000 troops. “But this has happened on the backs of the men and women who’ve already fulfilled their obligation to the armed forces and to our country — and it runs counter to the traditions of an all-volunteer Army,” he said during a speech on modernizing the military at the Truman Presidential Library.<br />“They have effectively used a stop-loss policy as a backdoor draft,” he said.<br />Source: Associated Press/NBC News http://www.nbcnews.com/id/5129079/ns/politics/t/kerry-says-us-now-has-backdoor-draft/#.U_JUYrxdUwI<br /><br /><b>Proof of people being forced out of service.</b><br /><br />“Earlier drawdowns give idea of what's to come”<br /><br />"After Vietnam, the Army slashed end strength from 1.3 million soldiers to 780,000 in just a few years.<br /><br />Some unpopular methods were used to cut the force: sharp cuts in the timing and selection rates for promotion, a tightening of retention standards and RIF boards that short-circuited the careers of many thousands of soldiers.<br /><br />Because of the unpopularity of those measures, the Army opted to use a combination of voluntary and involuntary programs in the early 1990s." <br />Source: Feb 12, 2012 Army Times http://www.armytimes.com/article/20120219/NEWS/202190319/Earlier-drawdowns-give-idea-what-s-come<br /><br />These RIF (Reduction in Forces) Boards are convened as needed to pressure people out of the services when a reduction in forces is required. <br /><br />Source: U.S> Air Force http://www.af.mil/News/ArticleDisplay/tabid/223/Article/484610/fiscal-year-2015-reduction-in-force-board-to-convene-oct-1.aspxAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-25581182094195504042014-08-17T10:18:40.241-10:002014-08-17T10:18:40.241-10:00For proving you wrong?For proving you wrong?Joan Conrowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00172330100788007499noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-64050793893966989152014-08-17T10:17:25.403-10:002014-08-17T10:17:25.403-10:00Mahalo 9:49Mahalo 9:49Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-35489488288233876782014-08-17T09:49:56.542-10:002014-08-17T09:49:56.542-10:00Since we are being confused by Ed's fragmentat...Since we are being confused by Ed's fragmentation. <br /><br />Paragraph 10(c) of DD Form 4/1 (The Armed Forces Enlistment Contract) which states: "In the event of war, my enlistment in the Armed Forces continues until six (6) months after the war ends, unless the enlistment is ended sooner by the President of the United States."<br /><br />The additional wording was added to the Enlistment Contract after the Vietnam War. But that would mean that the Enlisting Men are agreeing to their term being extended should there be a war.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-90195157914205274492014-08-17T09:00:46.861-10:002014-08-17T09:00:46.861-10:00What confuses me, Ed, is that initially you were c...What confuses me, Ed, is that initially you were claiming the government could lay off soldiers at will, but now you're saying they can extend their tours of duty at will. Since you demand documentation from others, it seems only fair you should provide it to back up your claims.Joan Conrowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00172330100788007499noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-65283253521858351082014-08-17T08:55:45.910-10:002014-08-17T08:55:45.910-10:004:46 So you are saying that if a person signs up f...4:46 So you are saying that if a person signs up for a 4 year term the government can disregard that contract and force the enlisted man to serve 20 years. I have never seen any enlisted man forced to serve beyond his enlisted term. He may choose and agree to extend his term by choice and usually re signing bonuses would apply. <br /><br />And you are isolating your comments to non union employees only. Which does not apply.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-36352010573515108872014-08-17T07:39:42.259-10:002014-08-17T07:39:42.259-10:00$420. cleaning fee, a bit excessive? Book em Danno...$420. cleaning fee, a bit excessive? Book em Danno-illegal TVR and ripping off the visitorsAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-65192260046132212592014-08-17T07:23:34.771-10:002014-08-17T07:23:34.771-10:00Joan - I read your blog with delight despite havin...Joan - I read your blog with delight despite having no skin in the game (non resident). You write so well and are able to skewer the hypocrites on their own petards. I may not know the nuances in all the players involved but the level of incompetence, chicanery and wannabe do-gooderism makes Irma fun read. Keep it up!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-86625662100876733552014-08-17T07:19:57.060-10:002014-08-17T07:19:57.060-10:004:46 pm - "Prison guards are unionized and ar...4:46 pm - "Prison guards are unionized and are employed if crime prevention is successful or not." and "When you join the military by draft or voluntarily or as a reservist it is for a contracted term."<br /><br />Both of these statements are misleading. Many private prison guards are not unionized and the "contracts" signed by military personnel can simple be ignored by US government's stop loss policy, "federal courts have consistently found that military service members contractually agree that their term of service may be involuntarily extended until the end of their obligated service."<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-82579897491791073712014-08-16T22:46:22.412-10:002014-08-16T22:46:22.412-10:00I know Andrea is not against agriculture, she is a...I know Andrea is not against agriculture, she is against the tons of pesticides being dumped by these chemical companies. They are not in agriculture, they are into pesticides, which have been outlawed in Europe, but are being sprayed by the hundreds of lbs each week into our ground water. If Pioneer or Dow were into agriculture they would be looking into organic growing of vegetables, like ranchers are looking into grass fed beef. This has nothing at all to do with *brown* skins versus *white* skins, or the classes on on how to grow the Hawaiian way would not be packed. This is about living on the aina in harmony. To attack Andrea for supporting a clean environment is ridiculous, or her parents economic status. Do you have something against people who work for a living..like her parents? Because they earned what they have. Andrea has scholarships that pay for her college, because she is an intelligent,young woman with strong values. King of sounds like what you were. Jealous? By the way, many of the workers have had to quit or were fired due to health problems brought on by spraying the pesticides these companies use. Do the companies care that they hurt their workers health? NOPE.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-10835569553950637572014-08-16T16:46:12.332-10:002014-08-16T16:46:12.332-10:00@ 12:06
Another poor analogy, "crime preven...@ 12:06 <br /><br />Another poor analogy, "crime prevention efforts if successful are destroying the jobs of prison guards". Prison guards are unionized and are employed if crime prevention is successful or not.<br /><br />"Reduction in force" is more commonly associated with a lay off. When you join the military by draft or voluntarily or as a reservist it is for a contracted term. Two totally different topics.<br /><br />9:02 is right on.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-58301387568704832892014-08-16T16:45:14.152-10:002014-08-16T16:45:14.152-10:00With your "logic" we make a steady suppl...With your "logic" we make a steady supply of cannon fodder by increasing the number of unemployed. <br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-56273252993328593062014-08-16T12:26:03.171-10:002014-08-16T12:26:03.171-10:009:02 AM - "Soldiers in a voluntary army are e...9:02 AM - "Soldiers in a voluntary army are employed with or without war."<br /><br />An excellent comparison! Between wars they have what is called a reduction in forces and in the downsized soldiers become unemployed at the government's discretion. It is within the governments discretion to reinstate the draft in an emergency. With your "logic" crime prevention efforts if successful are destroying the jobs of prison guards. People have to eat so there will always be jobs growing, selling and serving food or they could "volunteer" to join the army.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-21485766622416275052014-08-16T09:02:09.440-10:002014-08-16T09:02:09.440-10:00Like in an unpopular war, people can oppose the wa...<i>Like in an unpopular war, people can oppose the war without necessarily seeking to destroy the livelihood of the soldiers. </i><br /><br />Another poor comparison. Soldiers in a voluntary army are employed with or without war. If you shut down the seed companies you destroy the livelihood of the farm workers.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-19414760233107822572014-08-16T08:44:24.004-10:002014-08-16T08:44:24.004-10:00Nobody has a problem with Andrea (or anyone else) ...Nobody has a problem with Andrea (or anyone else) going to grad school. It's the breathtaking failure to acknowledge her vast privilege that is offensive to those who DON'T have it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-77267596094733300492014-08-16T08:38:59.777-10:002014-08-16T08:38:59.777-10:008:51 PM - ..."Logic is not based on facts and...8:51 PM - ..."Logic is not based on facts and empiricism is not based on skepticism. So all you're saying is absolutely nothing." Show me the facts.<br /><br /><b>Anonymous did not say these things -- I did and I identified myself. I never said logic, facts, empiricism, and skepticism were "based" on each other you did. Those are the "facts" you asked to be shown.</b><br /><br /><br /><br />August 15, 2014 at 8:51 PMAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-34623913375484838722014-08-16T08:19:51.788-10:002014-08-16T08:19:51.788-10:00August 16, 2014 at 7:38 AM
How else do you expla...August 16, 2014 at 7:38 AM<br /> <br />How else do you explain a complete lack of procedure on the front-end (permits allowed) and zero enforcement until very recently? No payoffs? Seriously?? Lay off the pakaolo.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-5379548846638827112014-08-16T07:38:06.048-10:002014-08-16T07:38:06.048-10:00There never were ANY pay-offs in the TVR fiasco. T...There never were ANY pay-offs in the TVR fiasco. There may have been some enforcement and procedural errors. No payoffs....this I know. The county may be perceived as bad, but they are regular folks, just like you and I. Even Shay, whilst a doin' her job she just bit the wrong banana, Crying Tim found a weird law under which to sue. The County has inspectors crawling all over the place, every day. They all may be a little loose with the 4th amendment, but PAY OFFS- NO F'ing way.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-21955425955649545892014-08-16T07:17:24.925-10:002014-08-16T07:17:24.925-10:00Joan - how much tax revenue is lost if all the ill...Joan - how much tax revenue is lost if all the illegal TVRs are shut down? Do the bribes have to be paid back? Does the county have to admit their incompetence? I'm not the least bit surprised that enforcement has taken so long. Did Shay prosecute even one (forget about Tim) illegal TVR? Was she on the take too?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-76380969917943009352014-08-15T23:30:12.071-10:002014-08-15T23:30:12.071-10:00The comments are confusing. Did Andrea actually &...The comments are confusing. Did Andrea actually "brand farm workers ecoterrorists, demonized them and seek to destroy their livelihoods" as written in the blog? That would be terrible. Or did she only oppose the employer's practices? There is a big difference. I had thought Andrea to be sometimes naive, and genuinely well-meaning, but It is shocking if she said these mean things and wished harm on the farm laborers. <br /><br />Like in an unpopular war, people can oppose the war without necessarily seeking to destroy the livelihood of the soldiers. But if the war protester starts going after the individual troops, I have a problem with that. It is difficult to determine which attitude this future politician holds.<br /><br />The grad school jab was beneath the good reporting typically displayed here. Every time a female or a minority, or even a male majority goes to graduate school - it is a good thing. <br /><br />Keep studying girls. Normally it will not be used against you.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-58143035515173661642014-08-15T20:51:18.179-10:002014-08-15T20:51:18.179-10:00Logic is not based on facts and empiricism is not ...Logic is not based on facts and empiricism is not based on skepticism. So all you're saying is absolutely nothing. Show me the facts.<br /><br />It happens all the time, Oh we consider carpetbagger salesmen scumbags.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com