tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post3240168191125875515..comments2023-10-17T04:51:08.765-10:00Comments on KauaiEclectic: Musings: Many Questions, Few AnswersJoan Conrowhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00172330100788007499noreply@blogger.comBlogger23125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-64995020595232624662011-12-18T17:06:31.306-10:002011-12-18T17:06:31.306-10:00Again, Grove Farm does not own the land.
All of t...Again, Grove Farm does not own the land.<br /><br />All of this is an illusion.<br />People must change their plantation mentalities and I say that because, like it not, many of us who protest against this sort of thing and all the other stuff that goes on...we are guilty of plantation mentalities, deep down weʻve got some of that shit and need to recognize it in order to stand up to the ones that keep stirring the foul gruel.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-55674481937148608802011-12-18T12:08:08.171-10:002011-12-18T12:08:08.171-10:00"Support a corrupt administration"
Nai..."Support a corrupt administration"<br /><br /><br />Nailed it!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-29341092860596703172011-12-18T11:30:02.489-10:002011-12-18T11:30:02.489-10:00In defense of KipuKai, he made that comment becaus...In defense of KipuKai, he made that comment because he <em>doesn't</em> believe this project is affordable.Joan Conrowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00172330100788007499noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-45701557791556684582011-12-18T11:01:19.528-10:002011-12-18T11:01:19.528-10:00Grove Farm is merely perpetuating its long history...Grove Farm is merely perpetuating its long history of getting rich off the backs of cheap labor. Mission hasn't changed just method. The disparity between the haves and have nots in Hawaii is a direct result of greedy Plantation owners who turned leases from the Kingdom into their own land after the overthrow. Kanaka were dying off from introduced diseases so they had to bring in cheap labor from Asia to slave in the hot sun for low wages. Camps were created to segregate workers to keep them from joining forces to protest against cruel conditions which worked for a time.<br /><br />Today as they tear down these symbols of the past they're still using cheap labor in China to build a modern day camp minus the chickens & vegetable gardens mixed in with rich newcomers who will pay top dollar and will make sure the other 30% don't lower their property values w/ their local lifestyle.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-5134058615318655512011-12-18T09:16:03.583-10:002011-12-18T09:16:03.583-10:00Why does Kipukai believe the purpose of the develo...Why does Kipukai believe the purpose of the development is to provide affordable housing? The purpose is to make a profit. <br /><br />Wake up, stop believing the lies.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-73789403052166078902011-12-18T08:03:19.725-10:002011-12-18T08:03:19.725-10:00GF is just giving a small example of what they can...GF is just giving a small example of what they can do with 514A. Unfettered growth is permissible under this state law with no developer ramifications. A real planning department's function is to protect and regulated growth, unless it is to sit in the back pocket of the plantation owners and to support a corrupt administration.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-22663335929441170732011-12-18T05:56:27.545-10:002011-12-18T05:56:27.545-10:00Grove Farm = AOL = Case Bros.= Punahou = Kamaina H...Grove Farm = AOL = Case Bros.= Punahou = Kamaina HaoleAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-77005181449201917962011-12-17T22:15:43.091-10:002011-12-17T22:15:43.091-10:00Grove Farm is not subdividing the property and the...Grove Farm is not subdividing the property and the project does not require a public hearing. The Planning Department's role in the condominium process is minimal. All they do is verify density and notify the Real Estate Commission if there are any County violations associated with the property. If you have a concern about the abuse of the condominium law, go tell it to your state legislators, because it's a state law, not a county law.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-21548024767871800402011-12-17T18:07:39.036-10:002011-12-17T18:07:39.036-10:00Kolea, these are all longtime residents. Some are ...Kolea, these are all longtime residents. Some are seniors who have lived in the Camp their entire lives. <br /><br />For more information, check out my <br /><a href="http://kauaieclectic.blogspot.com/2011/12/musings-losing-lifelong-homes.html" rel="nofollow">original post</a> on the issue.Joan Conrowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00172330100788007499noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-68563082284041231002011-12-17T17:22:24.613-10:002011-12-17T17:22:24.613-10:00I am surprised to learn about the planned eviction...I am surprised to learn about the planned evictions. In the aftermath of the resistance developers encountered at Waiahole-Waikane on Oahu, Niumalu-Nawiliwili and other communities in the late 1970s, most developers learned long ago to avoid evicting people if they could help it.<br /><br />Since I live on Oahu and no longer visit Kauai regularly, I am unaware of how Koloa has evolved over the years. Are the people facing evictions longtime "local" residents or are they more recent arrivals to Kauai? If they are "local," it should be relatively easy to organize broad opposition to their evictions throughout the community, IF people are willing to do the step-by-step work necessary.<br /><br />If, on the other hand, they are largely haoles, their "right" to remain will have less credibility, making organizing more difficult.<br /><br />Good luck!Koleanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-14786671896838416432011-12-17T16:25:13.564-10:002011-12-17T16:25:13.564-10:00Another appalling example of the cold-hearted gree...Another appalling example of the cold-hearted greed of Grove Farm.Dawsonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-29978694195900913602011-12-17T11:52:36.793-10:002011-12-17T11:52:36.793-10:00How many bottles of liquor does it take to get a p...How many bottles of liquor does it take to get a permit?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-10310043749745774332011-12-17T11:25:30.357-10:002011-12-17T11:25:30.357-10:00How many golf outings, fee paid events or other sm...How many golf outings, fee paid events or other small favors has GF reported or planning department personnel reported to the ethics commission? If it is considered ethical, does it make it morally correct to allow GF to pay the way?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-27111174922416782742011-12-17T09:55:12.123-10:002011-12-17T09:55:12.123-10:00Oh pua ting Mr.Hinazumi had to live w/ his parents...Oh pua ting Mr.Hinazumi had to live w/ his parents temporarily till he could afford a house. Many of us live in multi-family households because the cost of housing has skyrocketed in part due to outside developers/speculators. A lack of truly affordable housing inventory is the problem. Too many McMansions being built. All GF is doing is forcing these tenants into a already tight housing market where they'll end up living in a relatives home or out on the street. <br /><br />US Census is more accurate regarding median income ruling these homes out of afforable range for displaced tenants and most of us.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-89105264507302238782011-12-17T07:59:03.406-10:002011-12-17T07:59:03.406-10:00How is that ethical?How is that ethical?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-69850200107951061302011-12-17T07:56:43.656-10:002011-12-17T07:56:43.656-10:00So let get this straight, the newly official plann...So let get this straight, the newly official planning director, with a thimbleful of experience decides 50 units does not need a public hearing?? Where was Tresler during the meeting? In the planning directors lap, or vice versa?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-55545354429510040832011-12-16T16:45:36.716-10:002011-12-16T16:45:36.716-10:00December 16, 2011 11:50 AM
LOL. Try the whole isl...December 16, 2011 11:50 AM<br /><br />LOL. Try the whole island, ALL shores.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-43824646469172771522011-12-16T16:44:42.561-10:002011-12-16T16:44:42.561-10:00Anonymous Anonymous said...
Crony capitalism ...Anonymous Anonymous said...<br /><br /> Crony capitalism at work! In the end all c(r)apitalism does is destroy. And who foisted this system on Hawaiians?<br /><br /> December 16, 2011 12:51 PM<br /><br />Well I guess it was those godly people, you know, the missionaries. When they decided it was truly a great thing they latched onto, they called in back up...the marines and the US government, the great destroyers of all things.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-48516062886089414832011-12-16T16:41:14.678-10:002011-12-16T16:41:14.678-10:00"Or as KipuKai noted afterward, if Grove Farm..."Or as KipuKai noted afterward, if Grove Farm is truly committed to building housing that is indeed affordable, why doesn't it form a nonprofit and do it?"<br /><br />Uh gee well duhhhhh, kipu, if Grove Farm is truly committed to affordable housing, why donʻt they leave these people in their homes that ARE affordable to them?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-49035594171706468482011-12-16T15:38:00.083-10:002011-12-16T15:38:00.083-10:00class lll permits are at the discretion of the pla...class lll permits are at the discretion of the planning director whether it should go for public hearing or not...per CZOAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-61180933963208351282011-12-16T12:51:20.759-10:002011-12-16T12:51:20.759-10:00Crony capitalism at work! In the end all c(r)apita...Crony capitalism at work! In the end all c(r)apitalism does is destroy. And who foisted this system on Hawaiians?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-63877337841882014212011-12-16T11:50:11.163-10:002011-12-16T11:50:11.163-10:00Tresler and his band of greedy Grove Farm manageme...Tresler and his band of greedy Grove Farm management need to face the music. I can't believe that these "local boys" can really do this to their own people. They've sold out!<br /><br />Why can this project not go through the proper reviews with community input? The Planning Department is way too cozy with developers that's why! The definition of what is "affordable" needs to be re-written. The clause that allows unsold affordable homes at market rates needs to be re-written. We've already seem some affordable homes meant for workers in Nawiliwili go to market rates.<br /><br />The South Shore is turning to a playland for only the rich. Something must be done to stop this kind of exploitation of working people. It has to end now!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-7063176945605593492011-12-16T10:05:47.679-10:002011-12-16T10:05:47.679-10:00How come some Class III permits require public hea...How come some Class III permits require public hearing and some don't? Can the public demand a hearing?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com