tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post3301616141333065309..comments2023-10-17T04:51:08.765-10:00Comments on KauaiEclectic: Musings: Bully PulpitJoan Conrowhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00172330100788007499noreply@blogger.comBlogger38125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-81370770100969551782015-11-12T10:10:28.334-10:002015-11-12T10:10:28.334-10:00When you tried to box me into one of two fallacies...When you tried to box me into one of two fallacies -- bad writer or poor reasoner -- it became personal.Joan Conrowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00172330100788007499noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-81808409992649355762015-11-12T08:24:15.986-10:002015-11-12T08:24:15.986-10:00I don't think disagreeing with someone's i...I don't think disagreeing with someone's ideas amounts to "picking a fight". No need to take an exchange of discourse personally. That said, it is pretty clear you were taking a position in you post, and thus, my original analysis stands. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-27833769207176084632015-11-12T03:27:06.889-10:002015-11-12T03:27:06.889-10:00Except this was an expository essay. So are you m...Except this was an expository essay. So are you misinformed or just trying to pick a fight? For a black-or-white thinker like you, it has to be one or the other. Joan Conrowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00172330100788007499noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-55758612382950769622015-11-11T20:56:35.996-10:002015-11-11T20:56:35.996-10:00If you give two examples of bullying, then you are...If you give two examples of bullying, then you are, regardless of your assertion to the contrary, suggesting one is akin to the other. That is just how argumentative writing works. If you don't think they function as parallels but still include them together in the same post, then you are a bad writer for just providing a random assemblage of bullying tales without any metaphorical connection between the two. So are you a bad writer or just a poor reasoner? It's one or the other. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-56448289324114174742015-11-10T08:09:43.597-10:002015-11-10T08:09:43.597-10:00@ Joan (4:30AM) - As you've often revealed, th...@ Joan (4:30AM) - As you've often revealed, the underlying reason the Anti's attack only the seed companies is not because of their pesticide use. It's because of the perceived threat of G.E. produce to organic farming. But since there is absolutely zero evidence that there is anything harmful in G.E. produce itself, the Anti's have found it more beneficial to their cause to attack the use of pesticides in large scale agriculture. However, their argument withers in face of the fact that the seed companies only use about 15% of all the pesticides imported to this island. So they must ignore the blazing fact that 85% of the pesticides sprayed around Kauai without regard for homes and schools are for residential, non-ag commercial and governmental purposes. Add to this that it feeds their fear of "corporations" and you have the perfect neo-hippie crusade. Who cares about facts when fear is more persuasive to the uninformed or incapable thinkers.<br /><br />The Emperors of Anti certainly love their new clothes!Manuahihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10935756151568533081noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-29667961138518149722015-11-10T04:30:23.662-10:002015-11-10T04:30:23.662-10:00To 3:06 & 3:42 -- Though you say you're &q...To 3:06 & 3:42 -- Though you say you're "not against GMOs broadly," it seems your own biases — e.g., "bathed in pesticides" — have dulled you to my points.<br /><br />First, the domestic assault is not meant to be a metaphor for the larger GMO debate. It's meant to serve as yet another example of bullying. Second, the point of the post is simply this: bullying is wrong, in all its ugly manifestations.<br /><br />As for your other comments, no I'm not suggesting no one should care about ag pesticides, nor am I saying there is no evidence that ag pesticides are harmful to humans. I'm asking why there is virtually no concern on Kauai about other known causes of harm, and so much concern about ag pesticides, disproportionate to its harm. Because there isn't even any indication of pesticide drift, much less people being "bathed in pesticides." Nor can you compare Kauai to ag on the mainland, where they have much larger operations and engage in aerial spraying.<br /><br />If you desire more nuanced conversations, perhaps you should examine your own extremism.Joan Conrowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00172330100788007499noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-33746443716574664862015-11-10T03:42:34.850-10:002015-11-10T03:42:34.850-10:00I want to comment on the following statements:
&q...I want to comment on the following statements:<br /><br />"While I'm hopeful that this process will defuse some of the hysteria associated with biotech crop production on Kauai, I still can't help but wonder why GE crops have been singled out for scrutiny, in terms of measuring impacts on human and environmental health. Not tourism, not termite treatment, not petroleum-based transportation, not health care, not substance abuse, not domestic violence, not residential use of pesticides. Only agriculture.<br /><br />Automobile accidents, medical malpractice, drownings, drugs, alcohol and random violence kill and maim people each and every year on Kauai, while kids are regularly sickened in their homes by improper pesticide use. Yet the focus is solely on possible harm caused by a very specific component of agriculture, which thus far doesn't have a body count of even one."<br /><br />The above quote suggests by way of a laundry list of red herrings that we shouldn't care about pesticides in agricultural usage because there are plenty of other issues to worry about--not a sound argument. What is more concerning, though, is the claim that ag pesticide usage "doesn't have a body count of even one". Is this statement meant to suggest that no death on Kauai can be traced causally to ag pesticides so therefore we should not be concerned? Certainly that cannot be the reasoning. Perhaps it was meant to suggest there is no evidence that ag pesticides are harmful to humans, which also seems an untenable position given the mountains of epidemiological evidence of high cancer rates in agricultural communities on the mainland.<br /><br />I'm not against GMO's broadly, but these statements about pesticides are concerning and (it appears) aimed at misleading readers. I wouldn't live adjacent to any of the ag areas and be bathed in pesticides, and my guess is neither would the writer of this blog. I wish there could be a more nuanced conversation about this stuff.<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-78488168901403465202015-11-10T03:06:58.108-10:002015-11-10T03:06:58.108-10:00I just happened on this blog, and I am a little co...I just happened on this blog, and I am a little confused by the logic of this post. It suggests the assault committed by the young man on his family functions as a metaphor for the way the anti-GMO activists bully GMO supporters. You write:<br /><br />"And that's exactly what the bullies who started this war wanted. The bullying, and the effort to silence all discussion and any opposition, prompted me to leave the ranks of the anti-GMO groups. The bullying is wrong, and it needs to be stopped.<br /><br />Which leads me to an article in today's newspaper. I commend Prosecutor Justin Kollar for rightly pursuing felony charges against Kaeden Palmeira, who punched his mom in the face — breaking numerous bones and shattering her eye socket — and kicked his girlfriend in the head, all in front of his 3-year-old kid and 13-year-old sister."<br /><br />I just can't see the beaten mother as a viable symbol for the vastly wealthy GMO companies. Is the metaphor meant to make readers feel sympathy for the downtrodden GMOs? I'm not an activist; I'm just really not seeing your logic here. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-49302657746403150472015-11-09T20:28:35.860-10:002015-11-09T20:28:35.860-10:00Objectifying women in the name of a movement is al...Objectifying women in the name of a movement is always justifiable. Who would pay attention otherwise? And Babes against Domestic Violence doesn't have the same ring.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-19830967199076535502015-11-07T19:52:43.227-10:002015-11-07T19:52:43.227-10:00The Babes have zero ethics. They're like the K...The Babes have zero ethics. They're like the KKK of the anti-science movement. Ignorant, evil and afraid. They talk about goddess power when they would be the ones pointing fingers and calling witch in Salem. pure evil. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-87471429470233576172015-11-07T19:34:31.116-10:002015-11-07T19:34:31.116-10:00Thank you 12:58 PM.
Thank you 12:58 PM.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-32874660910455706222015-11-07T12:58:15.930-10:002015-11-07T12:58:15.930-10:00Here's proof that Joan writes for Rodale's...Here's proof that Joan writes for Rodale's Organic Life. Does that make her a shameless mouthpiece for big organics? lol<br /><br />http://www.rodalesorganiclife.com/author/joan-conrowAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-15686533705524800672015-11-07T12:51:11.360-10:002015-11-07T12:51:11.360-10:00The Babes are full on hypocrites. They comment on ...The Babes are full on hypocrites. They comment on other people's money but hide their own donors. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-43442084868530967752015-11-07T11:01:30.717-10:002015-11-07T11:01:30.717-10:00Why won't you disclose your funding Nomi? Asha...Why won't you disclose your funding Nomi? Ashamed to admit you're giving $5 head?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-32744376719893772692015-11-07T10:53:36.009-10:002015-11-07T10:53:36.009-10:00uh, sorry to break it to you but I've already ...uh, sorry to break it to you but I've already publicly acknowledged numerous times that I proudly work for the Cornell Alliance for Science. Such clever sleuths you are. NOT!Joan Conrowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00172330100788007499noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-34198753307713656762015-11-07T10:44:31.155-10:002015-11-07T10:44:31.155-10:007:36 - We blew the whistle on that "tremendou...7:36 - We blew the whistle on that "tremendous educator" Folta, now here is proof that Joan is also a shameless mouthpiece for the Cornell Alliance for Science although she denies being paid. <br /><br />http://allianceforscience.cornell.edu/blog/Joan-ConrowAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-21211770560659125582015-11-07T07:36:44.030-10:002015-11-07T07:36:44.030-10:00Nomi Carmona is emblematic of one of the Anti-GMO ...Nomi Carmona is emblematic of one of the Anti-GMO activists major problems. With a few manipulative exceptions its most frenetic promoters are people of modest educational and intellectual attainments who are glib, energetic and strenuous flacks for things they don't really understand very well. But they never fail to take an opportunity to scare or threaten people. In Nomi's case, she apparently studied the politics of activism under Tom Berg, the one term Councilman at C&C of Honolulu. Not much more needs to be said on her basic background; there is none- either in Hawaii or where she came from. She, like others of her type, is a shrill and shameless self-promoter, and she has a lot of company in her crowd. Kevin Folta, on the other hand, is a tremendous educator with a trainload of accomplishments who stands head and shoulders over the likes of Ms. Carmona and her big ignorant mouth. Over time, we all figure things like this out, and I hope the Joint Fact Finding Group helps us all along by sifting the wheat from the chaff like Nomi. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-74916020900646061402015-11-07T06:57:38.875-10:002015-11-07T06:57:38.875-10:003:29 You're bragging about your behavior? Jack...<br />3:29 You're bragging about your behavior? Jackbooted thuggery and you don't see anything wrong with that?<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-57860990233163782312015-11-06T19:39:46.478-10:002015-11-06T19:39:46.478-10:00"While I'm hopeful that this process will..."While I'm hopeful that this process will defuse some of the hysteria associated with biotech crop production on Kauai, I still can't help but wonder why GE crops have been singled out for scrutiny, in terms of measuring impacts on human and environmental health." You answer your own query. Hysteria associated with biotech crop production.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-24619882514884156172015-11-06T19:29:54.962-10:002015-11-06T19:29:54.962-10:00It's the height of hubris for a gal like Nomi,...It's the height of hubris for a gal like Nomi, with no job or education, to demand a distinguished professor be fired!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-44433795987518394082015-11-06T19:11:04.241-10:002015-11-06T19:11:04.241-10:00With all that domestic violence in one night of ra...With all that domestic violence in one night of rage, one can only imagine what would have happened if nobody intervened.<br /><br />Surely someone would have died or possibly everyone including the child could have been killed so don't give me that it's time to heal BS.<br /><br />We have seen on Kauai that the root cause of the horrific violence against women on island has been while people were high on meth and other drugs or suffer from mental illness caused by these drugs.<br /><br />6 months with time served and 5 years probation is a light sentence.<br /><br />That women beater should have been waterboarded for his Meth or whatever drug he was on supplier. <br /><br />If he wasn't on drugs then this guys has shown that he is a danger to the community and especially women, elders, and possibly children.<br /><br />There are some really sick people in this world and that boy has shown that he has those traits.<br /><br />If he beats and most study shows that he will beat and or kill someone then all this falls on that dirty corrupt Judge Valenciano.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-14287985764441932422015-11-06T18:41:51.088-10:002015-11-06T18:41:51.088-10:00Yeah he scared of the family. That dirty rat Judge...Yeah he scared of the family. That dirty rat Judge Valenciano is a poster boy with a scared napoleonic complex that bows down to the families that think that they are untouchables.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-24525864729182899242015-11-06T16:28:31.442-10:002015-11-06T16:28:31.442-10:00301 PM, Perhaps you should seek counseling with al...301 PM, Perhaps you should seek counseling with all that pent up anger. Certainly I do not advocate violence for anything. As I stated, the defendant's family and mother should judge him, not you nor I, nor our lord and good woman Joan as well. IF all things right themselves as hoped, them we all can go back into our little caves and be well. If he fails probation, the leash gets tighter and he serves more punitive time. All is well. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-19460339586311519242015-11-06T16:24:33.156-10:002015-11-06T16:24:33.156-10:00It is easy to blame the judge for what seems like ...It is easy to blame the judge for what seems like a light sentence when you don't have all of the facts. Guarans there is a back story here that the reporters don't know about.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-89461431164790155742015-11-06T16:18:02.674-10:002015-11-06T16:18:02.674-10:00Oh, and thanks for underscoring yet another exampl...Oh, and thanks for underscoring yet another example of your hypocrisy. You demand that I post your comment when you refuse to allow any opposing view on your FB page. Guess you're the ones who are afraid -- of the truth!!Joan Conrowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00172330100788007499noreply@blogger.com