tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post4324220249103058941..comments2023-10-17T04:51:08.765-10:00Comments on KauaiEclectic: Musings: FakersJoan Conrowhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00172330100788007499noreply@blogger.comBlogger41125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-59806579711125518792016-03-14T02:35:36.424-10:002016-03-14T02:35:36.424-10:00Fear sells. Fear and porn drive the internet.Fear sells. Fear and porn drive the internet.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-29422266160312099172016-03-13T09:45:02.857-10:002016-03-13T09:45:02.857-10:00I agree with John Kauai that I am in conflict with...I agree with John Kauai that I am in conflict with people who do not want to find out or insist that all studies have been completed but i don't think that there are many of them. I have farmed for most of my life and know that studies about the effects of pesticides on our lives are ongoing and extensive. I think that where there is a disagreement is who should be conducting the studies. I think that our county leaders priority now should be the roads, sewage and waste systems and leave the pesticides to the Federal Government and as designated state systems for review. <br /><br />Joan's point about our county leaders that use the public's fears and their positions on the Council as a bully pulpit that further their political careers is a disgusting abuse of their positions. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-40789771629687892762016-03-13T07:20:57.509-10:002016-03-13T07:20:57.509-10:0012:27, my comment was on both GMO and the use of g...12:27, my comment was on both GMO and the use of glyphosate and the issue of wheat got bound up in that context and was not clear.<br /><br />Wheat is sprayed with glyphosate before harvest. There are several web sites that explain this. This one may be the most neutral I've found.<br /><br />http://www.nurselovesfarmer.com/2014/11/the-truth-about-glyphosate-and-wheat/<br /><br />This one expands on the possible negative effects and includes statements from people in the wheat business that it is impossible to find wheat not sprayed with glyphosate just before harvest.<br />https://ecowatch.com/2016/03/05/glyphosate-sprayed-crops-before-harvest/<br /><br />I believe I've been clear enough on my positions that folks would not believe I would come out against the development of gluten-free wheat. But, I also point out that it may not be the gluten causing the problem, but the glyphosate or perhaps a combination of the two. Funding for a thorough study of the question is lacking.<br /><br />The Accord report stated several times that there is a lot of missing data so coming to a conclusion that GMO is safe and/or that the pesticides being used on the West Side are totally safe is irrational. Likewise, it is irrational to assume the opposite. So, I advocate finding out. <br /><br />Which places me in conflict with those who don't want to find out or insist that all the studies have been completed.<br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br />John Kauaihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16709115908711629306noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-79642084251923211002016-03-13T00:27:07.566-10:002016-03-13T00:27:07.566-10:00Hey, John, there is no biotechnology enhanced whea...Hey, John, there is no biotechnology enhanced wheat on the market. So if you have a problem with wheat or with gluten (the protein in several grains including wheat that must be eliminated by people with celiac), it has nothing to do with modern science. However, biotech scientists are working on the development of gluten-free wheat, which will be a blessing to us who have family coping with celiac disease. Go science! <br /><br />And btw people who claim to have a reaction to wheat in general and/or gluten protein need to give up beer and other grain based alcohol. Gosh, that might improve the level of discussion on some blogs!<br /><br />Big mahalo to Joan for her thoughtful and informative blog. I look forward to every post.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-91610141699663051722016-03-12T21:23:43.621-10:002016-03-12T21:23:43.621-10:00You are our hero Joan! Don't let those former ...You are our hero Joan! Don't let those former fair weather friends get you down. Just cause the lefties and greens have turned their back on you, doesn't mean your not loved! Those of us that appreciate science appreciate you!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-17745248486400078032016-03-12T21:14:01.153-10:002016-03-12T21:14:01.153-10:00Then buy organic. Then buy organic. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-90909616836355550762016-03-12T20:57:44.412-10:002016-03-12T20:57:44.412-10:00Ugh, 1:55, what a snot you are.Ugh, 1:55, what a snot you are.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-53878259350426019562016-03-12T17:19:28.672-10:002016-03-12T17:19:28.672-10:00 Mahalo, Joan. Shine some light and the roaches sc... Mahalo, Joan. Shine some light and the roaches scurry for cover. John Kauai, you really need to read more than 10 pages before commenting and calling bullshit on people, but thanks for being honest about it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-87927239173706934802016-03-12T14:51:22.610-10:002016-03-12T14:51:22.610-10:00Nice retort, Joan, to that Hooser-loser @ 12:03. ...Nice retort, Joan, to that Hooser-loser @ 12:03. He doesn't stand a chance trying to argue logic with you. What's the matter 12:03? No more brains?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-60344646362900907172016-03-12T14:30:55.519-10:002016-03-12T14:30:55.519-10:00Gosh Joan,
There are reasons to not want to inge...Gosh Joan, <br /><br />There are reasons to not want to ingest GMO crops.<br /><br />That does not mean all GMO is bad.<br /><br />Being a consumer, I want to know what it is I'm eating so that -IF- I eat GMO wheat and find myself suffering from Gluten Intolerance, I'll be able to purchase a loaf of bread that isn't GMO and/or isn't sprayed with glyphosate. <br /><br />I do not (believe) I have gluten intolerance and so I consume whatever bread. But I have friends who do have the problem and so avoid all bread. <br /><br />I am NOT saying glyphosate or GMO is the cause, but gluten intolerance is rising among Americans. Why? <br /><br />Given the failure of the Accord negotiations to provide an answer (neither the Blues or the Reds are satisfied), why is it so important that the DARK act be passed? Let consumers know what it is they are eating. If you want to eat glyphosate, go for it. If you don't, then you can pay more. Where's the problem of finding a compromise?<br /><br />John Kauaihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16709115908711629306noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-86660705373011076252016-03-12T14:20:58.465-10:002016-03-12T14:20:58.465-10:0011:53 Bernie is a "Democratic Socialist"...11:53 Bernie is a "Democratic Socialist". This is a very important distinction that should not be so easily dismissed as you do in your post. Social Security is "socialist". Medicare is "socialist". Unemployment insurance is "socialist". The police and fire departments are "socialist".<br /><br />These are responsibilities that are assumed by the government because they are "natural monopolies" (which I'll explain) or because society (meaning you and me and everyone else) recognize that "we are all in this together" and we don't want to leave anyone behind. The motivation for this could be as crass as just not wanting to see homeless people walking down the street. Or it could be because it is the "Christian" thing to do. (Depending on which Christian sect you support.)<br /><br />"Natural Monopolies" include services such as the Fire Department. Do you really want to have the Fire Department run by "market forces" where you purchase service from any number of fire companies that might be distributed around the island? You have heard of homes that did not have the proper medallion burning to the ground because the wrong fire company was called or because the subscriber was a week late with his last payment, right? <br /><br />KIUC is another example. Do you really want two (or more) sets of power lines distributing electricity across the island?<br /><br />The point is that some services make more sense if the government runs them. That is Democratic Socialism and FDR was a Democratic Socialist.<br /><br />On the other hand if your goal is to scream at the "others", "You're stupid" so that they can scream back, "No, you're stupid", then certainly you should not support a Democratic Socialist, but rather a Fascist like Trump.<br /><br />I would prefer to find some way of compromising since I belong the Church of the Rodney King with the catechism "Why can't we all, just get along?"<br />John Kauaihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16709115908711629306noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-5577080104814769352016-03-12T13:55:14.696-10:002016-03-12T13:55:14.696-10:00Uh, no, 12:03, I didn't know the exact number,...Uh, no, 12:03, I didn't know the exact number, or I would have used it. But I am very relieved by your assurance that you're not in my circle of friends.Joan Conrowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00172330100788007499noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-88205851974939752492016-03-12T12:03:19.363-10:002016-03-12T12:03:19.363-10:00"Some of the 10 were contract field workers f..."Some of the 10 were contract field workers from California who had been employed under a fixed term." How many of the 10 Joan? You are avoiding this question because you know the answer is 9 of the 10. You frame every word to protect your masters. You are a miserable fake. To think that I used to think of you as a friend.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-80486741946081113932016-03-12T11:53:40.443-10:002016-03-12T11:53:40.443-10:00But aren't ALL the politicians self serving li...But aren't ALL the politicians self serving liars? OK, maybe the Bernster is authentic but he is a socialist.<br />But on Kauai everyone in elected office even the Prosecutor are about keeping their asses in a government chair.<br />The days of higher calling seem remote.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-72654532931300342372016-03-12T09:55:48.906-10:002016-03-12T09:55:48.906-10:00Thanks, 8:22 and 9:16! I appreciate it.
9:30 -- ...Thanks, 8:22 and 9:16! I appreciate it.<br /><br />9:30 -- Reports of her actions and comments during the JFFG process, especially in regard to the Waimea Canyon School incidents, defined her as a supporter of the bill.<br />Joan Conrowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00172330100788007499noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-43576049944455489972016-03-12T09:30:39.151-10:002016-03-12T09:30:39.151-10:00Kathleen West-Hurd? Never heard of her. What make...Kathleen West-Hurd? Never heard of her. What makes you think she was a redshirted fistee?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-54390850245745441382016-03-12T09:16:48.633-10:002016-03-12T09:16:48.633-10:00We're proud of who you are too, Joan!
You'...We're proud of who you are too, Joan!<br />You're an amazing woman and our community is so much wiser because of you.<br />Thank you.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-46126179413447097342016-03-12T08:25:20.018-10:002016-03-12T08:25:20.018-10:00Doug Wilmore, Lee Evslin, Kawika Winter. Louisa Wo...Doug Wilmore, Lee Evslin, Kawika Winter. Louisa Wooten, Kathleen West-HurdJoan Conrowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00172330100788007499noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-41493060902821099142016-03-12T08:22:01.729-10:002016-03-12T08:22:01.729-10:00To 6:17, I hope Joan is proud, because I certainly...To 6:17, I hope Joan is proud, because I certainly am proud of her, an thankful for her work. Clearly, the voice of truth makes some people profoundly uncomfortable.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-46197585060352879922016-03-12T08:15:34.489-10:002016-03-12T08:15:34.489-10:00Who were the 5? I though was supposed to be balanc...Who were the 5? I though was supposed to be balanced? Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-2462230144839916752016-03-12T06:22:16.565-10:002016-03-12T06:22:16.565-10:006:17 -- Only someone who knows absolutely nothing ...6:17 -- Only someone who knows absolutely nothing about me as a person would ask that question! Yes, I'm very proud of who I am, how far I've come and the rewarding, happy and satisfying life I've created. <br /><br />John Kauai -- It's not surprising that you find sentences that support the county passing Bill 2491/Ordinance 960. Five of the eight JFFG members were active in supporting Bill 2491, so their beliefs are reflected in both the language and recommendations of the report.Joan Conrowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00172330100788007499noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-10087452868592830662016-03-11T19:34:03.662-10:002016-03-11T19:34:03.662-10:00Trust fund babies all over Kauai are the meth, cra...Trust fund babies all over Kauai are the meth, crack, heroin, cocaine, pilligers, and weed addicts.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-4928975620240420122016-03-11T19:28:36.207-10:002016-03-11T19:28:36.207-10:00Well, having read the report only through page 10,...Well, having read the report only through page 10, most of the comments here are Bullshit.<br /><br />I'm not saying that the report supports Hooser, but it is a long, long, long way from refuting him.<br />It all depends on which sentence and maybe which punctuation mark the reader depends on.<br /><br />There are many sentences (and I'm afraid that I do mean just that small of a fragment of the report) that suggest the county was NOT wrong to pass 2491/960 and to demand that the state do more.<br /><br />There are also many sentences that try to suggest that there is no problem.<br /><br />In other words, $100,000 was pretty much wasted in generating this report if people are going to pick out only those fragments of the report that support their "side". <br /><br />Perhaps the "Accord" process is crap, but I have no good suggestions on where to turn to get better information.<br /><br />Anyway, I'd suggest commenters try to wade through this. I know it will take me several more days.<br />http://www.accord3.com/docs/GM-Pesticides/draft-report/JFF%20Full%20Report%20-%20DRAFT.pdfJohn Kauaihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16709115908711629306noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-36509464877219137742016-03-11T18:26:34.008-10:002016-03-11T18:26:34.008-10:008:51am...I agree...Can we do it in the PRIMARY????...8:51am...I agree...Can we do it in the PRIMARY???? If only..Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-29530374438076143162016-03-11T18:17:55.968-10:002016-03-11T18:17:55.968-10:00Joan are you proud of who you have become?Joan are you proud of who you have become?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com