tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post4444796723812847782..comments2023-10-17T04:51:08.765-10:00Comments on KauaiEclectic: Musings: Out of the ClosetJoan Conrowhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00172330100788007499noreply@blogger.comBlogger19125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-34612493336052816862009-07-21T09:32:41.706-10:002009-07-21T09:32:41.706-10:00Yah...look how "successful" Obama has be...Yah...look how "successful" Obama has been with his "agenda of change".Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-43004746829137773162009-07-21T08:09:50.138-10:002009-07-21T08:09:50.138-10:00"They" are the legislators, not "us..."They" are the legislators, not "us".<br /><br />"We" elect them.<br /><br />Apparently "we, the people" are getting exactly what "we" (as a voting majority) want.<br /><br />Don't like it? Try to vote them out, if you can find replacements that can push your agenda successfully...an extremely difficult task.<br /><br />Can't vote them out? Complain about it on blogs, then.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-37712152164725511892009-07-21T06:52:27.866-10:002009-07-21T06:52:27.866-10:00If "they" make it a jail offense? "...If "they" make it a jail offense? "They" are us - you want to pay $20,000 a year to keep a jaywalker - or someone who gets high on the weekends, for that matter - locked in a cage? Sorry, I'd rather pay for more textbooks and teachers.Katyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09145011324294730195noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-85452287956037789442009-07-20T18:22:02.689-10:002009-07-20T18:22:02.689-10:00If they make jaywalking an imprisonable offense, I...If they make jaywalking an imprisonable offense, I'd agree!!<br /><br />And, I'll bet the frequency of jaywalking will go down once a number of them hit the slammer!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-87906865941064259952009-07-20T18:17:00.595-10:002009-07-20T18:17:00.595-10:00Let's build new prison cells for jaywalkers, d...Let's build new prison cells for jaywalkers, dammit!Katyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09145011324294730195noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-21657719217154590092009-07-20T18:03:56.041-10:002009-07-20T18:03:56.041-10:00People who commit crimes, imprisonable or not, are...People who commit crimes, imprisonable or not, are criminals. When caught and proved to have committed the crime, they should bear whatever punishment the law dictates.<br /><br />So, yes...don't do the crime if you can't do the time.<br /><br />Obey the law, regardless if you personally agree with it. Most people don't have a problem with this. As to the others....screw them.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-65644428188848792272009-07-20T13:06:04.505-10:002009-07-20T13:06:04.505-10:00Give us back our society by reinstating the the de...Give us back our society by reinstating the the death penalty. Especially for the violent and repeat offenders.<br />Maybe even for some white collar crimanals as well. We can use the money for health care!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-62521097027891734962009-07-20T12:53:24.647-10:002009-07-20T12:53:24.647-10:00"fairly ignorant," arguably much like no..."fairly ignorant," arguably much like noting that "states with more prisons and prisoners do not have lower crime rates than other states" without also noting how a good number of states export most / many of their cons while other states especially invite and build prison operations resulting in a capacity far in excess of the cons they generate interstate (thereby seriously undercutting that quoted stat)<br /><br />as to "Does locking more people up make our communities safe?"<br /><br />-- well of course it does, for a while, as long as they are not let out. but its super expensive to house them, and most do get out eventually (at which point they are more dangerous? less employable? further disenfranchised from society? buddies with more criminals?)<br /><br />and its what, like $20k+ / yr to house a con? pricey. even if the electorate cant be persuaded to spend some of that on kids (prevention)...man, for $20k / yr or whatever that had better be a pretty dangerous person, not some college age small volume weed dealer <br /><br />otherwise i guess im unrealistic to hope white collar crimes will now be further pursued. tho the heats been turned on on big time tax cheats, which is good. we'll see what convictions / peal deals / jail times result<br /><br /><br />dwpsAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-9168856596675716532009-07-20T12:13:48.210-10:002009-07-20T12:13:48.210-10:00Mahalo Katy!
Prisons have become the band aid, wh...Mahalo Katy!<br /><br />Prisons have become the band aid, when we could be pouring money into prevention and rehabilitation. Be it drug abuse, crime, etc.....Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-66202607386050554332009-07-20T10:07:57.436-10:002009-07-20T10:07:57.436-10:00"Don't do the crime if you can't do t..."Don't do the crime if you can't do the time" is a fairly ignorant way to respond to the explosion of the US prison population. The fact is that we don't have more crime, we just have more imprisonable offenses and more prisons to fill and more money than ever to go after people for petty stuff like possession. Pat answers and cliches don't help us figure this out as well as questions might:<br /><br />Is this really where we want our social resources flowing? <br /><br />Does locking more people up make our communities safe?<br /><br />What are the long-term social and health consequences of having so many families separated by imprisonment?<br /><br />Do we accept such a vast racial and economic disproportionality in the demographics of imprisonment?<br /><br />etc.Katyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09145011324294730195noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-50241637456810874612009-07-20T09:57:52.320-10:002009-07-20T09:57:52.320-10:00Don't do the crime if you can't do the tim...Don't do the crime if you can't do the time.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-24107239639171403592009-07-20T09:09:28.876-10:002009-07-20T09:09:28.876-10:00Joan, to diverge a bit from the other comments, yo...Joan, to diverge a bit from the other comments, your opening reminded me of how plentiful and enjoyable (although sometimes pretty loud) Hawaiian crickets were when we moved onto our Puna property in 2006. They may still be around, but we haven't heard them much in several years, drowned out now by the cacophony of coqui, which are probably also eating their competition for the predominant night sounds in our little forest. My advice is to enjoy and protect the sounds you have.Dave Smithnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-7859032123187791812009-07-20T03:56:28.802-10:002009-07-20T03:56:28.802-10:00http://criticalresistance.org/
"Studies have...http://criticalresistance.org/<br /><br />"Studies have shown that states with more prisons and prisoners do not have lower crime rates than other states. The Prison-Industrial Complex claims to be about safety and order. In reality, the PIC makes the lives of most people – especially the poor and people of color – less safe and more disordered. For example, poor people and people of color are often targeted by the cops based on the way they look. And even in instances where people call the cops to solve problems, the cops are often more disruptive than the original problem. We cannot build strong communities when people are constantly being taken out of them."Katyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09145011324294730195noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-21389465567211332662009-07-19T14:23:57.989-10:002009-07-19T14:23:57.989-10:00Is there a correlation: California produces the mo...Is there a correlation: California produces the most food and pot? (snicker)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-12771422986656795142009-07-19T13:23:10.473-10:002009-07-19T13:23:10.473-10:00mahalo joan, your's and andy's recent post...mahalo joan, your's and andy's recent post have provided additional insight to the conversation. here is a link to the website of the marijuana policy project -mpp.org- they helped roger christie and the big island community to re prioritize cannabis prosecution.<br />from medical, economical and ,of course, judicial perspectives this aspect of decriminalization makes a lot of sense. <br />mahalo again for stimulating the discussion.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-54504004843662036482009-07-19T13:16:48.749-10:002009-07-19T13:16:48.749-10:00The Lege overrode Lingle's veto of SB 1058
ht...The Lege overrode Lingle's veto of SB 1058<br /><br />http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/session2009/bills/SB1058_CD1_.htm<br /><br />It "establishes a task force to examine issues relating to medical cannabis patients and current medical cannabis laws. Establishes a task force to examine the effects of salvia divinorum."<br /><br />It's a start.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-43857024098182771022009-07-19T12:14:26.547-10:002009-07-19T12:14:26.547-10:00ya walk into any pot shop in NL and you see 2 grou...ya walk into any pot shop in NL and you see 2 groups, more or less: tourists, and the less than the cream of the crop of local society <br /><br /><br />"may be forward thinking, there are a LOT of conservative thinkers in CA...look what happened with the Gay Marriage Issue"<br /><br />-- good point<br /><br /><br />and growing the non thc type is prob a good idea<br /><br /><br />dwpsAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-43570331827949588902009-07-19T09:41:57.159-10:002009-07-19T09:41:57.159-10:00The guests on your show forgot to mention that in ...The guests on your show forgot to mention that in Hawaii, medical pot users also have to consent to allow the police to come to their home and "inspect" the crop. Imagine that. You have to give up a constitutional right to be free from search and seizure in order to get your medicine.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-34185870311619309002009-07-19T09:30:25.690-10:002009-07-19T09:30:25.690-10:00--With a recent poll showing more than half of Cal...--With a recent poll showing more than half of Californians supporting legalization, pot advocates believe they will prevail. And they say other states will follow.--<br /><br />It would be important to know WHERE those polls were taken. Although Northern California and the Southern Urban Metropolis' may be forward thinking, there are a LOT of conservative thinkers in CA...look what happened with the Gay Marriage Issue. They were broadsided with their mission because they thought they "had it in the bag"....<br /><br />I think on the Island of Kaua`i, pushing for decriminalization FIRST and then legalization next would be more palatable to the conservative thinkers and more likely to pass. Ease into it...<br /><br />But I am not so certain that Gov't legalization, control, regulation and taxation over this herb is the best case scenario. But decriminalization would be very beneficial!<br /><br />Now if we could just quit equating the variety of cannabis sativa used to grow industrial hemp plants with the variety of cannabis sativa that is THC laden and revered for its mind altering and expanding qualities, then maybe we could get somewhere with sustainable industry on this island. We could create a thriving sustainable industry of textiles, ropes, nutricious foods which the gov't could regulate, control and tax. Jobs could be created, the aina could be rejuvenated. <br /><br />But we would have to distinguish between the two varieties. And let the herb with THC be left alone, just decriminize it. Shoots, this would be a sure fire way for Chief Perry to deter kids from smoking pot. They try smoke industrial hemp and get one bad headache!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com