tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post5312217516141578130..comments2023-10-17T04:51:08.765-10:00Comments on KauaiEclectic: Musings: Native Rights UpheldJoan Conrowhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00172330100788007499noreply@blogger.comBlogger28125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-37472656749273106462016-03-07T21:35:29.766-10:002016-03-07T21:35:29.766-10:00Right on Kui ✊🏽Right on Kui ✊🏽Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00032773278696879666noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-18859482200293580172015-12-17T10:26:59.666-10:002015-12-17T10:26:59.666-10:00@December 15, 2015 at 5:03 PM
If the Robinson fami...@December 15, 2015 at 5:03 PM<br />If the Robinson family has never stated that..."their Great Grandmother Eliza Sinclair purchased the whole Island of Niihau."<br />Then you better let them know who ever wrote up their Niihau ranch brochure that they spreading "bullshit"...may I quote from their brochure "Our Story...Niihau ranch is located on the privately owned island of Niihau, 17 miles west of Kauai and is the westernmost ranch in the United States. The 72 square mile island was purchased by Eliza Sinclair from King Kamehameha IV in 1864. Niihau has been passed down through five generations to its present owners, Keith & Bruce Robinson.<br /><br />Link to the brochure see it for yourself:<br />http://www.makawelimeatcompany.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/NR_brochure_email_v1.pdfAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-53629227438578164972015-12-17T05:09:09.750-10:002015-12-17T05:09:09.750-10:00Hawaiians most certainly were farmers! They cultiv...Hawaiians most certainly were farmers! They cultivated every square inch of all the islands in taro, sweet potatoes and banana and built massive irrigation systems to support their fields. They could easily contain livestock with stone walls and wooden pens. <br /><br /> Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-18818250744088916812015-12-16T22:27:14.370-10:002015-12-16T22:27:14.370-10:00Anonymous said... I thought the Hawaiians raised t...Anonymous said... I thought the Hawaiians raised their pigs. Why did they have to hunt their livestock? December 12, 2015 at 10:34 AM <br /><br />Kanaka Maoli had no way to contain any livestock. Every heavy storm would set them free from their pen's. In the wild they increased in numbers. Hawaiians were hunter/gatherers not farmers.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-56173033086122179602015-12-16T09:22:18.278-10:002015-12-16T09:22:18.278-10:00Thanks @2:45.
That explains some things.
I read th...Thanks @2:45.<br />That explains some things.<br />I read the opinion. The State sure did mess it up end the defense took them to school.<br />I read the opinion as saying also that pig hunting with knife is and will stay protected.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-50511719731513642332015-12-15T17:03:23.131-10:002015-12-15T17:03:23.131-10:00@6:16 PM said "but would you trust the Robins...@6:16 PM said "but would you trust the Robinsons who claim that their Great Grandmother Eliza Sinclair purchased the "whole" Island of Niihau when in fact it was their Uncles James McHutcheson Sinclair and Francis Sinclair"<br /><br />The Robinson family has never stated that. It is uninformed journalists who have said that for decades. Obviously, you swallowed that up big time. There's so much bullshit on the web and too many folks like some here treat it like truth. If the shoe fits....Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-2501957051090524822015-12-15T14:55:39.408-10:002015-12-15T14:55:39.408-10:00They do 11:43 and the Robinsons have always suppor...They do 11:43 and the Robinsons have always supported it. But what few know is that in policing the Kauai lands, the Robinsons do not attempt to exclude those with gathering rights but instead attempt to regulate entry for safety reasons. After all it is a working ranch. Read the court's recent 25 page opinion and you will see how the State totally messed up the case in the first trial so that issues of safety, amongst others, could not be brought up in the appeal.<br /><br />http://www.scribd.com/doc/293178018/State-v-Palama-No-CAAP-12-0000434-Haw-App-Dec-11-2015-mem#scribdAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-18892445600500698442015-12-14T11:43:30.385-10:002015-12-14T11:43:30.385-10:00If there are descendants of Native Hawaiians who d...If there are descendants of Native Hawaiians who did gathering and hunting on Niihau prior to the 1892 date - it looks like they would have the right hunt/gather on Niihau today, regardless of what the Robinson's say.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-26317743318400252432015-12-13T18:17:01.686-10:002015-12-13T18:17:01.686-10:00...According to An Act Granting to the people the ......According to An Act Granting to the people the rights of piscary, now belonging to the government...<br />"Whereas, The fish belonging to the government are productive of little revenue; and whereas, the piscary rights of the government, as managed by the fishing agents, are a source of trouble and oppression to the people..."<br />"Sec 2. All fishing grounds appertaining to any government land, or otherwise belonging to the government, excepting only ponds, shall be, and are, hereby, forever, granted to the people for the free and equal use of all persons.."<br />"Sec 4. No person, living without the kingdom, shall take any fish within the harbors, streams, reefs, or other waters of the same, for the purpose of carrying them for sale or otherwise, to any place without the kingdom..."[SLH 1851]<br />Followed by,<br />An Act to Protect the people in certain fishing grounds...<br />"Whereas, certain persons to whom Government lands have been sold, have assumed exclusive rights of fishing in the sea adjacent to said land, without the justification of law; and whereas the people in numerous instances, have been unjustly deprived of their rights to fish on the grounds long since made free to them by law"...<br />"Sec 1. That no person who has bought, or who may hereafter buy, any Government land, or obtain land by lease or other title form any party, has or shall have any greater right than any other person, resident in this kingdom over any fishing ground not included in his title although adjacent to said land. The fish in said fishing ground shall belong to all persons alike, and may be taken at anytime, subject only to the taboos of the minister of the interior." [SLH 1851]<br />As a family who continues to claim to preserve the native culture, wildlife, and kanaka, the Robinsons continue to do some damage by diverting waters in major watersheds, trash lands they occupy with metals and chemicals from sugar and now the GMO industry. The practice of mass eradication where wild game is brutally shot multiply times and are left in its place to rot. Not to mention, the little-publicized relationship with the US military, that has conduct special-operations, research and development on top-secret military defense systems, along with the Navy's radar-surveillance installation on Paniau Ridge on the island that said income from military contracting activities provides for steady revenue to support the maintenance and residents of the Ni'ihau.<br />The Robinsons may be great people to some, but not to many who are able look beyond the propaganda...there's always more to a story...it is up to you to seek the truth...with no disrespect to anyone...AlohaAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-20898565096767980842015-12-13T18:16:08.528-10:002015-12-13T18:16:08.528-10:00@9:44 AM - Supreme Court of Hawaii - Ter. v Gay &a...@9:44 AM - Supreme Court of Hawaii - Ter. v Gay & Robinson, 25 Haw. 651. Through the legal history of the Kingdom of Hawaii this court lacks jurisdiction upon the case at hand and it was not intended to be looked at based on the courts opinion, but to served as a bases for further research by which one could do a simple title search by examining actual archival documents of both laws, titles, privy council minutes, and get insights from others whom earned their doctoral or master degrees on the unique land tenure system that we all live in today.<br />It doesn't mean anyone person is absolutely correct or truthful, but would you trust the Robinsons who claim that their Great Grandmother Eliza Sinclair purchased the "whole" Island of Niihau when in fact it was their Uncles James McHutcheson Sinclair and Francis Sinclair, that assumes to purchased the government land of Ni'ihau with the exception of two lands granted to Konohiki Koakanu LCA 20MA RP 5573 and the land of Papapa RP 1615, and the pieces of land that was set apart for church and school lots.<br />The Land Grant that James and Francis Sinclair received was RP 2944 on Jan 23 1864 for the purpose of raising sheep. And again by law, that is still in effect today, all lands in Hawai'i continue to have permanent encumbrances: 1/3 undivided vested rights in the Dominium, native tenants rights(Proprietary interest), and hoa'aina rights(usage rights), as seen in this case.<br />Have the Robinsons violated the rights of many kanaka and hawaiian nationals as they deny access to the "Forbidden Island" without permission as self-declared konohiki of Ni'ihau? Since Abrey Robinson closed Ni'ihau (Forbidden Island) during the "Territory of Hawaii" in 1915, and how about not allowing fishing near Ni'ihau and confiscating persons catch...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-31440212465002319772015-12-13T16:40:01.338-10:002015-12-13T16:40:01.338-10:0010:21 - "heirs and assigns of the holder of t...10:21 - "heirs and assigns of the holder of the original award." This includes people (anyone) whom the heirs of the original holder sold the land to. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-73203571903628271722015-12-13T15:46:45.333-10:002015-12-13T15:46:45.333-10:00Or free fish for stolen county gas.Or free fish for stolen county gas.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-66191426995905456252015-12-13T15:04:50.658-10:002015-12-13T15:04:50.658-10:00Mauna Kea and now this.
The courts sending a messa...Mauna Kea and now this.<br />The courts sending a message to the law enforcement.<br />Smoke meat for everyone!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-78489151141536409562015-12-13T09:44:35.613-10:002015-12-13T09:44:35.613-10:00@ 10:21 PM – If you’re going to google stuff and c...@ 10:21 PM – If you’re going to google stuff and copy and splice it as a comment, then you should actually read and understand what you’re copying before you do it. Here, I’ll help you.<br />https://books.google.ca/books?id=r5g0AQAAMAAJ&pg=PA663&lpg=PA663&dq=%22Ter.+v+Gay+%26+Robinson,+25+Haw.+651%22&source=bl&ots=r6MYqTZGYi&sig=MU8FkbqWZFuvdNVFqS-_sUbEqnk&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiNhNKzxtnJAhUP-mMKHbdlDMcQ6AEIHTAA#v=onepage&q=%22Ter.%20v%20Gay%20%26%20Robinson%2C%2025%20Haw.%20651%22&f=false<br />Supreme Court of Hawaii - Ter. v Gay & Robinson, 25 Haw. 651.<br />Opinion of the Court<br />Page 654 of the document you copied recounts 4 questions the circuit court put forth. These are answered by the Hawaii Supreme Court on page 666. It is questions 3 and 4 that are relevant and support the ownership of Manuahi and Koula by G&R. I’m sorry if all those words confuse you, but you’ve got to read (and understand) the entire opinion. <br />La Fin<br />PS – @ 11:27 - You’ve got to take whatever convicted felon David “Keanu” Sai says with a full shaker of salt as he picks and chooses bits of verbiage rather than the whole story so his conclusions are inaccurate as they are based on only partial information and can’t be trusted. That’s why he has never, ever won a lawsuit and why he has personally caused Native Hawaiians to lose their homes in his Perfect Title scams. <br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-68843120536150639072015-12-12T23:27:50.445-10:002015-12-12T23:27:50.445-10:00ALL Lands ROBINSON currently claim to own in Hanap...ALL Lands ROBINSON currently claim to own in Hanapepe...<br /><br />LCA 387 RP 1942 to ABCFM (Mission) - TMK180020020000<br />AP. 1 Liber 19 PgS. 436-438 Kam IV to Aihoi - TMK210010100000<br />LCA 11068:1 RP 6932 to Aimoo/Wailele - TMK180040070000<br />LCA 11068:1,2 to Alaiki/Makua - TMK180040070000<br />LCA 8077:4 RP 7703 to Hii Kumu Pope - TMK190010080000<br />LCA 8123:1 RP 4758 to Holeka - TMK190120030000<br />LCA 5309 RP 5270 to Kaenalii/Kanakamaikai - TMK180030080000<br />LCA 7928:1,2 RP 7046 to Kahakuhananui - TMK180030030000<br />LCA 7928:3 RP 7046 to Kahakuhananui - TMK180030270000<br />LCA 7919 to Kaiahauna - TMK190020050000<br />LCA 9135:1 to Kalepona - TMK180030050000<br />LCA 9135:2 to Kalepona - TMK180030280000<br />LCA MA29 RP 1151 to Kalunu/Kanunu - TMK180020030000<br />LCA 3654:1 RP 7776 to Kamae - TMK180080210000<br />LCA 19BMA to Kanehiwa - TMK180040080000<br />LCA 9142:1 RP 7938 to Kapekue - TMK190120400000<br />LCA 8020:1 RP 7925 to Kapoi - TMK190120120000<br />LCA 8020:2 RP 7925 to Kapoi - TMK190020100000<br />LCA 9185 RP 1150 to Kekaua - TMK180020030000<br />LCA 9283:2 to Keliinui/Namaielua - TMK190120270000<br />LCA 9265 RP 7947 to Kipani - TMK180040020000<br />LCA 9190 RP 4186 to Kupia - TMK190120010000<br />LCA 9190 RP 4186 to Kupia - TMK190020080000<br />LCA 9190 RP 4186 to Kupia - TMK190020090000<br />LCA 9190 RP 4186 to Kupia - TMK190120300000<br />LCA 10010 RP 7946 to Lopailani - TMK180030030000<br />LCA 8559B:41 to William Lunalilo - TMK180010010000<br />LCA 11011b to Makaiku - TMK190010060000<br />LCA 10274 RP 6933 to Manienie - TMK180040090000<br />LCA 10069 to Manua - TMK190030080000<br />LCA 10349 RP 8035 to Nakapa - TMK180030230000<br />LCA 10526 RP 7987 to Naloheelua - TMK180040080000<br />LCA 10312:1 RP 6450 to Namaielua - TMK190120120000<br />LCA 10457 RP 3855 to Namoki - TMK180010020000<br />LCA 5447:1 RP 5041 to Nuanua - TMK180030060000<br />LCA 5447:2 RP 5041 to Nuanua - TMK180030290000<br />LCA 5447:3 RP 5041 to Nuanua - TMK180030120000<br />LCA 6578:1 to Paele - TMK190030090000<br />LCA 6578:2 to Paele - TMK190030080000<br />LCA 7993:1 to Pala - TMK190020170000<br />LCA 7993:1 to Pala - TMK190020180000<br />LCA 55MA RP 6998,1108 to Paniani - TMK180020020000<br />LCA 10678 RP 7726 to Pua - TMK180030140000<br />LCA 3284:2 RP 7452 to Wahineaea - TMK190010120000<br />LCA 3284:2 RP 7452 to Wahineaea - TMK190010130000<br /><br />INFO above found on Kauai County TMK maps of Hanapepe, Reg. Map No.2657, ULUKAU.ORG MAHELE DATABASE, AVAKONOHIKI.ORG, AND WAIHONA.COM and to learn about the above read "The Emperical Writes Back: Re-Examining Hawaiian Dispossession Resulting from the Mahele of 1848" by Donovan C. Preza and MUST WATCH Video Dr. Keanu Sai, lecture on "Kamehameha III and the Transformation of the Land Tenure System." Part 1 and Part 2<br />http://vimeo.com/10781602 and http://vimeo.com/10797711Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-18605523861566995842015-12-12T21:37:08.771-10:002015-12-12T21:37:08.771-10:003:47 PM - A stray bullet from some other hunter do...3:47 PM - A stray bullet from some other hunter doesn't care that you only have a knife.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-7688507075653384042015-12-12T19:48:26.374-10:002015-12-12T19:48:26.374-10:00I personally know Kui Palama and his family.....th...I personally know Kui Palama and his family.....they truly live off the land. This is a young Hawaiian who cultivates kalo has a mala (garden), fishes and hunts to feed his family. There are many hawaiians and non hawaiians who still hunt, fish, and grow our own food. Traditions that have been passed down to us by our parents and grandparents. 2:06pm You probably wouldn't know this because it sounds like you are not friends with very many people of not only hawaiian decent, but people who have spent generations growing up in Hawaii. This is a way of life that absolutely needs to be protected. There are hunters and fisherman out there who make poor decisions but it shouldn't ruin it for the rest of us. You should keep your mouth shut if you don't personally know the people you are talking about. Mahalo.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-8995940469637844672015-12-12T15:47:16.200-10:002015-12-12T15:47:16.200-10:00He was hunting with a knife, not a gun. Stick to ...He was hunting with a knife, not a gun. Stick to the truth.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-83876102919505489662015-12-12T14:06:19.764-10:002015-12-12T14:06:19.764-10:00The State was worried about their own management o...The State was worried about their own management of unimproved State lands. I think this case was severely mishandled by the State. The real issue wasn't about trespassing, but land and resource management. How can safety be insured if all these entitled hunters feel they can go anywhere at any time without checking in or know who else is there hunting and shooting. What about ranchers who are concerned that their livestock or even employees will be shot by bozo's who don't know the land and what's going on there. I'm sure that if the Palama's merely coordinated their use of the valley, G&R would make arrangements for their hunting and keep other hunters and cowboys out on that day. One has to wonder about just how pono these hunters are if they aren't decent enough to coordinate with the landowner. Like always, a few self-centered assholes ruin it for everyone. Kui Palama speaks bullshit trying to tug at our hearts that he's only trying to feed his family. This is sport pure and simple and flexing of one's antiquated rights in a truly dangerous manner. It'll be too bad if he gets shot by accident by another hunter. Then, of course, he or his family will sue the landowner for not protecting their sorry asses.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-64728544078729458712015-12-12T11:26:55.978-10:002015-12-12T11:26:55.978-10:00What is Lisa Arin's position on this I wonder?...What is Lisa Arin's position on this I wonder?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-458038700395951702015-12-12T10:34:26.925-10:002015-12-12T10:34:26.925-10:00I thought the Hawaiians raised their pigs. Why did...I thought the Hawaiians raised their pigs. Why did they have to hunt their livestock?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-8133146366821968752015-12-12T10:01:09.757-10:002015-12-12T10:01:09.757-10:00@6:13 Supporting Hawaiian rights is drinking Kool...@6:13 Supporting Hawaiian rights is drinking Kool Aide?<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-44228792677217221092015-12-11T18:13:45.152-10:002015-12-11T18:13:45.152-10:00Perhaps this is a good thing. The devil is in the ...Perhaps this is a good thing. The devil is in the details and G&R is always a target.<br />The flip side to all the kool-aide drinkers regarding this issue is that G&R may be the foremost environmental land holder in the State.<br />With the exception of the Navy at Niihau and some corn growers, G&R has left their land pretty much untouched. The are not developing.<br />But, Da Hoos, JoAnn, Mason and former Councilman Furfaro did their doggone best to shut G&R down with the anti-Ag law. If the anti-ag people get their way..... look out, all the big land guys will be forced to do Ag sub-divisons etc. I can just see beautiful homes at A&B's Camp Six, some marvelous Kilauea type Ag buildings at Mahaulepu, Kilohana, etc. Eh Gary, the land is ripe for plucking and all your new friends at Hawaii Life and all your old friends at your former employer Bal Hai are a frothin' at the money trough. <br />Kauai should thank big land for not plowing ahead with development. Err, just like when Kilauea Sugar and LP went down...now look at the Moloaa, Kilauea etc. If you want an island cut up into thousands of li'l 5 acre Ag properties, keep Da Hoos, JoAnn and Mason in office. They are the bomb. (JoAnn's hubby took mauka Kilauea Tycoon Dyer's land to Ag condos in about 5 minutes)<br />Big Land will make Billions, legacies will be lost. And Kauai will be LA, there will be no mo' GMO, every one will be skinny and the locals will have a lot of lawns to mow. And all of G&R's birds and plants will be trod over as the rich Hippies invade the interior. <br />Where are my Birkenstocks? <br /><br /> <br /> Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-61150714168970960082015-12-11T18:11:15.099-10:002015-12-11T18:11:15.099-10:00The public can listen to the argument in the appea...The public can listen to the argument in the appeals court. If preservation of Kanaka culture interests you, listen to the hour long hearing here. The judges seemed skeptical of the state from the beginning and the attorney general didn't help much.<br /><br />http://state.hi.us/jud/oa/15/ICAOA_041715_caap_12_434.mp3<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-83442116551015169372015-12-11T17:53:09.175-10:002015-12-11T17:53:09.175-10:00And to Judge Watanabe who upheld the law for a Kan...And to Judge Watanabe who upheld the law for a Kanak even against the Robinsons. Brave in this new world where billionaires usually rule.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com