tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post5354043995448653924..comments2023-10-17T04:51:08.765-10:00Comments on KauaiEclectic: Musings: Picking through LeftoversJoan Conrowhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00172330100788007499noreply@blogger.comBlogger46125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-79359467890476563522014-11-09T16:56:30.892-10:002014-11-09T16:56:30.892-10:00Anonymous said...
"Can someone explain why th... Anonymous said...<br />"Can someone explain why the people who live on the westside don't elect the people who want to save them?" <br />November 7, 2014 at 10:20 AM<br /><br><br />Answer: Because they're smart enough to know that the Anti-GMO crowd are all a bunch of bullshitters and self-aggrandizers. Westsiders think vs. follow. Baaaaa...!!!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-68822783785130068832014-11-09T16:46:23.840-10:002014-11-09T16:46:23.840-10:00Of course it matters. The zealots could be wrong a...Of course it matters. The zealots could be wrong and the rest of us better off without them. With notable exceptions, they don't add a lot by their presence; think tickets- not votes. We'll find out about correctness when the courts have weighed in, won't we? I guess Maui and Hawaii Island will be making appearances in the federal district court in Hawaii before trooping on to the the 9th Circuit to join Kauai. You might like paying the tab, but I resent it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-7356080280857406592014-11-09T14:55:26.537-10:002014-11-09T14:55:26.537-10:00So I get that most of the yes votes were white. W...So I get that most of the yes votes were white. What does that matter? Does the color of their skin or origin of their birth discount their opinion on this? Was the Maui initiative a victory for the zealots? Could the zealots be correct and Maui is better off without Monsanto? Maybe we should "weight" the votes and give local born nonwhites 1.5 votes and give mainland born .75? Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-42676519852548129462014-11-09T14:32:10.883-10:002014-11-09T14:32:10.883-10:00Maui County’s population is 36% “white alone”- say...Maui County’s population is 36% “white alone”- say 58,000 and not a whole lot of them are Hawaii born- just like the north shore of Kauai. About 23,000 Maui voters voted for the initiative and 22,000 voted against it. Anyone looking at video of Kauai and Maui’s council hearings, and by the way Maui’s were quite decorous compared to ours, would justifiably come away with the impression that this issue was a primarily haole issue as is borne out by the precinct vote on Kauai where red-shirt candidates ran up impressive majorities but collapsed outside those precincts of concentrated whiteness. You simply cannot dispose of race and short duration of tenancy as drivers in this issue. If I had the time or the inclination, my guess is that the votes for the initiative came from the Haiku, Makawao, Kula, Kihei and Lahaina precincts. Maui has “tipped over” into an offshore enclave of suburban mainland values and Kauai is lamentably fast on the way there. When the turnout is low as was the case this time, single issue, motivated voters tend to be over-represented. However, the slog through the federal courts may teach us all a lesson on mainland versus Hawaii ways of doing things. You can talk about malama and ‘aina and aloha all you want, but if you do not start there, you are pissing into the wind. And we are getting a face full thanks to the Council’s inability to grab hold of the situation and reset the dialogue to include all parties in respectful discussion from the beginning and leaving the rudder in the hands of zealots. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-87167367971137140762014-11-09T11:27:55.464-10:002014-11-09T11:27:55.464-10:00Want to comment on the Maui vote Joan? How is it ...Want to comment on the Maui vote Joan? How is it that over 50% of the Maui voters passed the anti farming initiative? Is there that many crazy people on Maui? Monsanto spends $8,000,000 and loses? How can this be? Facinateing. Regardless of the language of the proposal and its legal viability, it seems pretty amazing that over half of Maui voters chose to send the gmo companies packing. Maybe we will see the fistees and Barca all moving to Maui?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-24895226265704748362014-11-09T10:09:45.244-10:002014-11-09T10:09:45.244-10:00Joan, your suggestion that Dustin might have won a...Joan, your suggestion that Dustin might have won a council seat and would have learned much from the experience was excellent. I know you think poorly of Felicia, but wasn't she doing exactly what you suggested for Dustin? As humans we are all flawed. I think it takes courage to be willing to endure a political campaign. I believe most people stepped forward well intended. Personally I am glad that people care so much that they show up for demonstrations, hearings, campaigns, and elections. It's democracy. And Joan, you are an important part of that process. I turn to you for information I cannot get anywhere else. I want to be as informed as I can. I think we are the better for all that has happened. I celebrate our voices, all of them. I am grateful for everyone who cares. What is that old saying about apathy?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15981462771099667486noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-47644457474929399832014-11-09T08:10:07.676-10:002014-11-09T08:10:07.676-10:00Crips, Blood, MS13, and Barca. Let's be hones...Crips, Blood, MS13, and Barca. Let's be honest and call a thug a thug. When your supporters are surfing thugs like Chava Greenlee and the anti-GMO eco terrorists, you voter base isn't much different from the candidate. I can't imagine that 34% actually supported Barca. My unscientific estimate is that half of those who voted from Barca were anti-Carvalho not pro-Barca. The rest were simply following this northshore "Jim Jones" and his mission from God, or identified with his subculture persona. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-65802079395204311982014-11-08T21:16:28.814-10:002014-11-08T21:16:28.814-10:00November 8, 2014 at 5:30 PM
LOL! I LOVE your comme...November 8, 2014 at 5:30 PM<br />LOL! I LOVE your comment. Simple and straight forward way to explain this whole GMO/Pesticide issue. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-87424577237614756282014-11-08T17:56:32.468-10:002014-11-08T17:56:32.468-10:00Votes in a one-on-one mayor's race do not tran...Votes in a one-on-one mayor's race do not translate into equivalent votes in a free-for-all council race where people are far more selective with their votes. Note how many unused votes in council races. In a council race, Barca wouldn't get those voting against his opponent, he would only get those who believed in his ideas and character, both of which are zilch.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-87726085269825059032014-11-08T17:30:14.031-10:002014-11-08T17:30:14.031-10:005:06 pm. "Barca got more than 8000 votes.&quo...5:06 pm. "Barca got more than 8000 votes." He got 5000 of those by threatening to hit them in the head with a glass if they didn't vote for him. <br /><br />Of course I can't prove it but it's his responsibility to prove it's not true. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-68407418933438942312014-11-08T17:06:26.024-10:002014-11-08T17:06:26.024-10:0011:26am Barca got more than 8000 votes. More than ...11:26am Barca got more than 8000 votes. More than enough to land in the top 7. It was surprising that the mayor did not win in a landslide...he got the political machines behind him and huge campaign funds. The mayor cannot claim he has a mandate.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-42655980819753770612014-11-08T11:36:12.444-10:002014-11-08T11:36:12.444-10:00Or better yet why don't we require all non gmo...Or better yet why don't we require all non gmo to be labeled, lot less costly in the long run. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-29172709827174261882014-11-08T11:28:03.087-10:002014-11-08T11:28:03.087-10:00Barca has zero support outside the north shore and...Barca has zero support outside the north shore and for that reason alone he would not win a council race. He was fortunate to benefit from a protest vote that would have gone to any potted plant who put his or her name on the ballot. He wouldn't get that in a council race.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-16169258244500973802014-11-08T10:13:24.351-10:002014-11-08T10:13:24.351-10:00It's a Win, win!!
Don't like GMO's m...It's a Win, win!! <br /><br />Don't like GMO's move to Maui and read food labels to your heart's content. <br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-47188187681371056232014-11-08T10:01:05.803-10:002014-11-08T10:01:05.803-10:00November 8, 12:38pm
FWIW, My take-home from Joan&#...November 8, 12:38pm<br />FWIW, My take-home from Joan's recent blogs is simply that we all need to engage in more critical thinking when it comes to these issues. She has an entire article on this. <br />For example, if you state that there are "are real and significant issues with GMO seeds," do you have facts that support your claim? Would you dismiss someone that disagrees as a propagandist?<br /> I respect Joan's writing because even when I disagree, she provides well-reasoned, fact based opinions. She also has the intellectual honesty to adjust her views in light of new factual information. <br /><br />For the record, I consider myself a strong advocate for the environment and I support biotech because research tells me that the technology can aid in environmental stewardship. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-79617746766674769412014-11-08T09:59:03.534-10:002014-11-08T09:59:03.534-10:00That is for sure, the mayor bettah focus more on b...That is for sure, the mayor bettah focus more on both waist and waste management. Barca should run for council in the next two years. He will win!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-37877453405497687692014-11-08T08:52:51.189-10:002014-11-08T08:52:51.189-10:00black is white and white is black and there is gra...black is white and white is black and there is gray everywhere, it's all a muddled puddle.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-79755843846691266562014-11-08T07:12:33.398-10:002014-11-08T07:12:33.398-10:00I can't help but wonder if some of the comment...I can't help but wonder if some of the commenters are seed-company propagandists much as the Hooser/Bynum/Barca folks are anti-GMO propagandists. There are real and significant issues with GMO seeds and very real issues with the way that Monsanto operates and suffocates local farmers.<br /><br />My understanding from reading this blog is that Joan objects to the way that the anti-GMO crowd has hijacked local politics in Kauai, not for the benefit of the island but for the benefit of outside interest groups. One can object to GMO seeds and to the way that these multi-national corporations operate and at the same time also object to the way that the Hooser/Bynum/Barca crowd has run a single-issue campaign while neglecting other issues that have a much greater impact on the health, safety, and environment of the island.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-49889140648459547572014-11-08T07:07:28.924-10:002014-11-08T07:07:28.924-10:00@ 1:26 PM
Agreed -- Hooser must recuse himself fro...@ 1:26 PM<br />Agreed -- Hooser must recuse himself from any potential "conflict of interest" issues that come before the Council.<br />Hope whoever is Chair, will ensure that happens.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-19587829008760866752014-11-07T18:54:50.415-10:002014-11-07T18:54:50.415-10:0010:20am Because westside people smart, they don...10:20am Because westside people smart, they don't listen to mainland and northshore haoles who want to tell them what to do or what's best for them. Idiot, stupid question. Slap yourself.<br /><br />November 7, 2014 at 11:41 AM<br />I was being facetious. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-37801460351417155972014-11-07T15:31:35.837-10:002014-11-07T15:31:35.837-10:00Agree on the dead horse, but better waist manageme...Agree on the dead horse, but better waist management is priceless. <br /><br />But with Jay and Tim losing, didn't we already achieve better waist management? But yes, the Mayor might stand lose a few also.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-22748335770241438422014-11-07T15:05:54.655-10:002014-11-07T15:05:54.655-10:00ok, time to stop beating dead horse.
It's nai...<i>ok, time to stop beating dead horse.</i><br /><br />It's naive to believe that horses like Bynum and Barca die. Defeat just throws them off their stride. They'll be back at full gallop before you know it, more convinced than before of their own self-righteousness.Dawsonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-46707940036913795082014-11-07T15:03:00.476-10:002014-11-07T15:03:00.476-10:00Kauai is too small for districts. It would only cr...Kauai is too small for districts. It would only create more divide.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-1826458873898127572014-11-07T14:32:35.085-10:002014-11-07T14:32:35.085-10:00ok, time to stop beating dead horse.ok, time to stop beating dead horse.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-41414269967102214642014-11-07T14:18:12.607-10:002014-11-07T14:18:12.607-10:00He did not run "around the whole island."...He did not run "around the whole island." He didn't even run around the whole part that has a road. He rode around in a van, stopping periodically to get out and run a few feet for photos.<br />I had to swerve to avoid his photo crew sticking their camera into the road in Hanapepe, less than 10 minutes after my friends saw him flexing his biceps in Waimea, then climbing into the van and riding away.<br />Perplexing that we wouldn't vote for the guy after he came all the way out to save us like that.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com