tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post5451095082142781913..comments2023-10-17T04:51:08.765-10:00Comments on KauaiEclectic: Musings: Get SmartJoan Conrowhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00172330100788007499noreply@blogger.comBlogger31125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-14693471680984277562010-01-25T21:53:58.888-10:002010-01-25T21:53:58.888-10:00Saimin is Asian in creation, as is the name, "...Saimin is Asian in creation, as is the name, "saimin.". It is not a Hawaiian invention, although other things are, like the modern catamaran, which is a polynesian invention. Sorry to say, on that one, my friend you are sadly incorrect. Saimin noodles were created in asia years ago. Now, local style saimin, such as the deliscious saimin at Hamuras is a speciality, yes, but Saimin, the actual noodles were not created here. Some types of saimin however are manufactured here. Just like we have local portuguese sausage, the Portuguese actually invented the sausage. It is something we just integrated into our eating culture. But nice try. The only things that are Hawaiian, is the original diet which consisted of canoe plants and animals only and fish.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-83254139384651326752010-01-19T16:21:17.303-10:002010-01-19T16:21:17.303-10:00"Why not go back to pre-contact ways where th...<i>"Why not go back to pre-contact ways where the king wins by venture and conquest and war and overthrow."</i><br /><br />For the same reason Whites wouldn't want to go back to pre-industrial society.Dawsonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-22808415476719058282010-01-19T12:31:59.621-10:002010-01-19T12:31:59.621-10:00"Constantly producing the assumption that you..."Constantly producing the assumption that your opposition has to "educate themselves" is the height of intellectual arrogance."<br /><br />"Saimin was invented in Hawaii. It is Hawaiian."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-1983150130923718842010-01-19T12:13:22.195-10:002010-01-19T12:13:22.195-10:00Why not go back to pre-contact ways where the king...Why not go back to pre-contact ways where the king wins by venture and conquest and war and overthrow.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-74174344260107098942010-01-19T11:51:21.659-10:002010-01-19T11:51:21.659-10:00"The people will be voting in a Premier type ..."The people will be voting in a Premier type of individual, with more than likely a traditional Monarchial head, such as Quentin Kawananakoa who is the recognized and sanctioned heir apparent, and still holds the royal tittles."<br />What he wants to keep things status quo. As the ruler would he have that right?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-74964194542835939542010-01-19T11:13:49.999-10:002010-01-19T11:13:49.999-10:00Saimin was invented in Hawaii. It is Hawaiian.Saimin was invented in Hawaii. It is Hawaiian.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-25496111902933601032010-01-19T10:50:28.087-10:002010-01-19T10:50:28.087-10:00OK, so first. Saimin is NOT Hawaiian!! But it is p...OK, so first. Saimin is NOT Hawaiian!! But it is part of the integrated food cornucopia that the Native population has woven into their diets, much like beer, chips, and chocolate chip cookies, spam, vienna sausage, corn chowder and beef stew and chili and sticky white rice. It has become "local style food". Saimin, is of course, an Asian introduction, just like the other canned stuff was a mainland US introduction. Whatever the Hawaiian people have grown accustomed to eating rather than the traditional diet or in addition to,fish, meat, plantains, greens and certain root vegetables such as yams, and taro and poi and ulu as staples.<br />The people will be voting in a Premier type of individual, with more than likely a traditional Monarchial head, such as Quentin Kawananakoa who is the recognized and sanctioned heir apparent, and still holds the royal tittles. This makes Kauai the ruling family. The system, as I imagine it, would run similar to Englands system, with the symbolic Royal Household, the Prime Minister, the House of Nobles and the House of Commons. Much different than the Native American system of Confederation Governments and complicated treaties within clans.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-1046718763525815602010-01-19T08:16:42.780-10:002010-01-19T08:16:42.780-10:00How is saimin not Hawaiian?How is saimin not Hawaiian?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-69983485178441061852010-01-19T08:15:25.631-10:002010-01-19T08:15:25.631-10:00Constantly producing the assumption that your oppo...<i>Constantly producing the assumption that your opposition has to "educate themselves" is the height of intellectual arrogance.</i><br /><br />The real conceit is thinking that if your opponents would just "educate themselves," then they would necessarily come around to your opinion. As if no other point of view could possibly have any validity.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-69006287804968701572010-01-19T07:17:35.234-10:002010-01-19T07:17:35.234-10:00Constantly producing the assumption that your oppo...Constantly producing the assumption that your opposition has to "educate themselves" is the height of intellectual arrogance. If you really are trying tp persuade others to join your point of view, why would you deliberately offend them.<br />Many among your opposition regarding this, and other issues, have graduate degrees in research based professions and have spent years reading different perspectives.<br />"Educating yourself" on an issue doesn't mean you attend to every meeting, film, speech, or radio broadcast that reinforces just one point of view.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-27089016866613109152010-01-18T18:48:45.812-10:002010-01-18T18:48:45.812-10:00"the broader international community that wil..."the broader international community that will recognize it"<br />Who cares about the international community.<br />It can only be effective if the broader local community accepts it. So we wait for a plebiscite for the residents of Hawaii to vote??<br />The world awaits that comedy of errors. R. Pa for Mayor!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-39496978519852415812010-01-18T17:59:33.278-10:002010-01-18T17:59:33.278-10:00So how many trees will have to be taken out to acc...So how many trees will have to be taken out to accomodate the path?<br /><br />Wailua beach is beautiful as it is. Why do we have to pave over it?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-33120062635256375732010-01-18T16:06:13.970-10:002010-01-18T16:06:13.970-10:00Dear Anon January 18, 2010 3:33 PM
That is the pr...Dear Anon January 18, 2010 3:33 PM<br /><br />That is the process that is now under way. The US govt is trying to direct it through the Akaka Bill, while the various independence groups are taking different approaches. Eventually an entity/model will emerge that has the strongest support — although unanimous support is unlikely — among both Hawaiians and the broader international community that will recognize it. <br /><br />It seems most likely that entity will be in place before the US presence here wanes/is ousted, so it will be clear to anyone living here who to "follow." <br /><br />That's why it's important for non-Hawaiians to also familiarize themselves with the various independence groups and models, because while this process should rightfully be directed by Hawaiians, non-Hawaiians will most definitely be a part of it.Joan Conrowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00172330100788007499noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-14380131931236495692010-01-18T15:33:32.540-10:002010-01-18T15:33:32.540-10:00I am not doubting the ability of Native Hawaiians ...I am not doubting the ability of Native Hawaiians to self govern and if my question seems to imply that, I apologize. I'm just asking because I read Joan's article and I know that besides Henry Noa, there are others who claim to be the legitimate government. What if Hawaii declined in importance to the United States both militarily and economically to the point that sovereignty became more than theoretical? I can't see that happening in my lifetime or my children's lifetime, but who knows? Who do we follow if that happened and we wanted to stay here?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-52432552634943717582010-01-18T13:58:46.437-10:002010-01-18T13:58:46.437-10:00"It still leaves the question unanswered. If ...<i>"It still leaves the question unanswered. If the Hawaiian Kingdom is reinstated, who governs? It's nice to have competing points of view but at the end of the day, someone has to make the call.</i>"<br /><br />This is not to mock your post, but to note that the British monarchy used the same argument, and the anxiety it invoked, against those of its citizens who supported the American bid for independence. The conceit was that the British were competent to rule themselves but Americans were not.<br /><br />A hundred years later, the United States government used the same argument against those of its citizens who supported Native American self-government. The conceit was that Americans were competent to rule themselves but Native Americans were not.<br /><br />Then and now, the question of what form of self-government native peoples may adopt is specious: by definition of their colonial conquerors, native peoples are never intelligent enough, educated enough and unified enough to govern themselves. <br /><br />The real issue is property and the power that derives from it -- who possessed it, who took it, and who will use every technique of diversion, disinformation and paranoia to keep it.Dawsonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-86498727414502853022010-01-18T12:10:35.548-10:002010-01-18T12:10:35.548-10:00It still leaves the question unanswered. If the Ha...It still leaves the question unanswered. If the Hawaiian Kingdom is reinstated, who governs? It's nice to have competing points of view but at the end of the day, someone has to make the call.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-31987381786606088972010-01-18T11:42:42.712-10:002010-01-18T11:42:42.712-10:00"Why is it, healthy democracies world wide ha...<i>"Why is it, healthy democracies world wide have multiple parties, but the Hawaiian people are always chastised for having several entities?"</i><br /><br />For centuries, Native Americans have been chastised for not being "unified." It's one of the many sneers about them you hear in reservation border towns today.<br /><br />The basis of it is the "Primitive Indictment," the formula for which is "_________ (fill in the names of native nations or tribes) are always at each others' throats."Dawsonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-22255725586844037532010-01-18T11:10:49.700-10:002010-01-18T11:10:49.700-10:00"If we wanted to pledge allegiance to the Haw..."If we wanted to pledge allegiance to the Hawaiian Kingdom, which entity has legitimacy?<br />if you want to pledge allegience to the US, which entity has legitimacy.? Why is it, healthy democracies world wide have multiple parties, but the Hawaiian people are always chastised for having several entities? that's healthy democracy"<br /><br />There's difference between political parties and sovereign governments. There are several entities that claim that they are the legitimate Hawaiian Kingdom. They do not function within the same political framework and they do not recognize the authority of the others.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-7101451817245936592010-01-18T11:04:34.933-10:002010-01-18T11:04:34.933-10:00No, most Hawaiians are not talking about becoming ...No, most Hawaiians are not talking about becoming a monarchy again.<br /><br />Educate yourself.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-58278114553953342762010-01-18T10:27:28.146-10:002010-01-18T10:27:28.146-10:00Maybe because the Hawaiians we're talking abou...Maybe because the Hawaiians we're talking about want to again become a monarchy, not a democracy.<br /><br />No "multiple party system" or elections in a monarchy.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-37048179171767224122010-01-18T10:10:13.149-10:002010-01-18T10:10:13.149-10:00" No monitor on site, no archaeology was requ..." No monitor on site, no archaeology was required:<br />What does a monitor look like?<br />Dressed differently then the workers?<br />With the "no Shoot archaeologist t-shirt on?<br />By the way that phase of the project is in the fill red dirt imported fill that ramps up to the bridge. look at the excavated material as you slowly drive by.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-44972889612112883672010-01-18T09:10:10.376-10:002010-01-18T09:10:10.376-10:00"Why is it, healthy democracies world wide ha..."Why is it, healthy democracies world wide have multiple parties, but the Hawaiian people are always chastised for having several entities? that's healthy democracy"<br /><br />-- pretty good point. theyd be smart to adopt it as a response<br /><br /><br />dwpsAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-33284248883111093142010-01-18T07:08:56.521-10:002010-01-18T07:08:56.521-10:00If we wanted to pledge allegiance to the Hawaiian ...If we wanted to pledge allegiance to the Hawaiian Kingdom, which entity has legitimacy?<br />if you want to pledge allegience to the US, which entity has legitimacy.? Why is it, healthy democracies world wide have multiple parties, but the Hawaiian people are always chastised for having several entities? that's healthy democracy<br /><br />and to the person who asked didn't anyone say that the path was still on the beach, yes Judy Dalton did. <br /><br />shows much sense and leadership the Mayor moved it, but still wondering why he didn't move it all the way off the beach, the canal path is already paved?is it coco palms interest?.Wailua is a mess, all these projects were segmented, really piss poor planning, they should have all had an EIS, as they all are in the same area of effect. Notice how quick they are working the bridge now, working saturdays and sundays to get it done quick. No monitor on site, no archaeology was required, showing the county really has no respect for the culture and the KupunaAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-29735060094243511722010-01-18T04:46:01.984-10:002010-01-18T04:46:01.984-10:00"Need to get someone to stake out the propose..."Need to get someone to stake out the proposed 10' concrete path on the beach"<br />The new yorkers were doing that on Sunday. Scurrying around with their tape measures in the their new age uniforms...<br />ugh<br />remember foud deep trenches have been dug along the right a way without finding any iwi. <br />The iwi are on coco palms property.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-33453744790652033332010-01-17T19:08:59.473-10:002010-01-17T19:08:59.473-10:00"will still be on the dunes"
Dune begins..."will still be on the dunes"<br />Dune begins just below the high water matk and continues onto Coco Palms Property.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com