tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post6102291143107543579..comments2023-10-17T04:51:08.765-10:00Comments on KauaiEclectic: Musings: It Ain't Over YetJoan Conrowhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00172330100788007499noreply@blogger.comBlogger22125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-53856114301793681842009-04-02T12:55:00.000-10:002009-04-02T12:55:00.000-10:00Mo`o..... not moo....:)Mo`o..... not moo....:)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-25001189069691379992009-04-01T17:11:00.000-10:002009-04-01T17:11:00.000-10:00"lizard with an unpleasant bite"-- ha. i love it. ..."lizard with an unpleasant bite"<BR/><BR/>-- ha. i love it. that is awesome. very colorfulAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-29745301890946106892009-04-01T17:09:00.000-10:002009-04-01T17:09:00.000-10:00Oh well Joan, time to sign off on this post. Looks...Oh well Joan, time to sign off on this post. Looks like the white rot found your post again and wants to make a day of deciding the difference between ig and stupe.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-66747096480992123262009-04-01T16:22:00.000-10:002009-04-01T16:22:00.000-10:00Ah, the good old days of the peaceful, loving Hawa...Ah, the good old days of the peaceful, loving Hawaiians...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-39772659680373242012009-04-01T16:02:00.000-10:002009-04-01T16:02:00.000-10:00"I'll bet - without any researched knowledge - tha..."I'll bet - without any researched knowledge - that plenty of "old hawaiians" didn't own land but were basically serfs on alii-owned property."<BR/><BR/>Not only that but if they walked up to an alii to say something about it they'd have their head cut off.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-49607129129983110282009-04-01T15:33:00.000-10:002009-04-01T15:33:00.000-10:00I'll bet - without any researched knowledge - that...I'll bet - without any researched knowledge - that plenty of "old hawaiians" didn't own land but were basically serfs on alii-owned property.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-7498579501946749282009-04-01T15:32:00.000-10:002009-04-01T15:32:00.000-10:00"1st, ignorant and stupid pretty much are the same..."1st, ignorant and stupid pretty much are the same thing."<BR/><BR/>No. Ignorant simply means lack of factual knowledge. We are all ignorant in many areas. Stupid means the inability to learn, thus staying relatively ignorant regardless of effort.<BR/><BR/>In other words, ignorance can be fixed, but stupid is forever.<BR/><BR/>"There is no excuse for a single kanaka not having a home in their own lands."<BR/><BR/>There are a multitude of reasons, just as there are a multitude of reasons people don't own real property on the mainland...no money...taxed out of it...had to sell to pay debt...etc.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-67490334154710143492009-04-01T15:26:00.000-10:002009-04-01T15:26:00.000-10:001st, ignorant and stupid are not the same thing. (...1st, ignorant and stupid are not the same thing. (thinking they are is ignorant, but not necessarily stupid.)<BR/><BR/>2nd, kanakas do not serve as token recipients with the rest of the recipients being Abercrombieʻs military beneficiaries. Everyone below a certain income qualifies and benefits. Thinking otherwise is ignorant, probably stupid. <BR/><BR/>3rd, and this is the most important so pay attention...can you do that? Nobody should be homeless in our society, kanaka or not. Were you paying attention? Do you get that? Programs like affordable housing are meant to help solve that problem. In case you didn't notice, social problems can be hard to solve.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-26679336177448954552009-04-01T15:04:00.000-10:002009-04-01T15:04:00.000-10:00lizard with an unpleasant bitelizard with an unpleasant biteLoFhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17790755800889443785noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-58737089459543769622009-04-01T14:44:00.000-10:002009-04-01T14:44:00.000-10:00"the idea that affordable housing programs don't b..."the idea that affordable housing programs don't benefit kanakas is ignorant. and stupid."<BR/><BR/>April 1, 2009 12:42 PM<BR/><BR/>1st, ignorant and stupid pretty much are the same thing.<BR/><BR/>2nd, kanakas serve as token recipients with the rest of the recipients being Abercrombieʻs military beneficiaries.<BR/><BR/>3rd, and this is the most important so pay attention...can you do that? There is no excuse for a single kanaka not having a home in their own lands; the fact that they make up the largest percentage of homeless/houseless in Hawaii is a repugnant and criminal failure on the part of the state to itʻs priority beneficiaries.<BR/><BR/>No. 3 should make my case in and of itself.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-72805605349984313202009-04-01T13:25:00.000-10:002009-04-01T13:25:00.000-10:00line of flight wrote: I thought Lilikala's comment...line of flight wrote: <EM>I thought Lilikala's comments were quite disappointing. Name calling (and it wasn't even very clever) seems to petty.</EM><BR/><BR/>What does moo niho awa'awa mean, anyway?Joan Conrowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00172330100788007499noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-37424023993680778712009-04-01T13:16:00.000-10:002009-04-01T13:16:00.000-10:00I thought Lilikala's comments were quite disappoin...I thought Lilikala's comments were quite disappointing. Name calling (and it wasn't even very clever) seems to petty. Bennett and Lingle and the mainstream media have totally blown the ruling out of proportion. SCotUS said: "You can't use federal law to cloud title to state land." But they didn't address the issue of the state constitution doing that since 1978 -- since its not a federal issue.<BR/><BR/>I do think the point that a treaty was not ratified between the US and the Republic of Hawai'i has some weight. The problem, however, is that such an argument necessarily implies that the Republic of Hawai'i was a legitimate entity. The U.S. has declared dominion over other territories through domestic law. And, Congress does have a right to admit new states. The problem is that the question of who had title to crown and government lands begins before all of these questions appear. How did the Republic acquire title to the crown and government lands?<BR/><BR/>The state Supreme Court's intuition on the issue of these lands is right, and now they have another opportunity to make it the law.LoFhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17790755800889443785noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-85901613310722643422009-04-01T12:42:00.000-10:002009-04-01T12:42:00.000-10:00the idea that affordable housing programs don't be...the idea that affordable housing programs don't benefit kanakas is ignorant. and stupid.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-37406086876238286372009-04-01T12:28:00.000-10:002009-04-01T12:28:00.000-10:00The whole affair reeks of mediocre players on the ...The whole affair reeks of mediocre players on the U.S. side: <BR/>Bennett (law equivalent of 1st year student) <BR/>Lingle (grabby climber with no background or degrees) <BR/>U.S. Supreme court justices (appointed by Bush with enough attention span to fit on a thumbnail)<BR/><BR/>I agree with Joan. Itʻs not over and OHAʻs attorneys were handed some material Iʻm sure they can work with. Or shred some mountain size holes in.<BR/><BR/>One thing they are unquestionably wrong about: there was never a treaty to cede lands. The land in Hawaii was stolen and still is. <BR/>Without that treaty it is all moot.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-68969001991945192452009-04-01T12:20:00.000-10:002009-04-01T12:20:00.000-10:00"Actually it was going to be affordable low income..."Actually it was going to be affordable low income housing."<BR/><BR/>April 1, 2009 10:37 AM<BR/><BR/>And? So what? Affordable housing for all the GI families transplanting over here and other transplants because no matter how they spin that laughable terminology: affordable housing, it still does not include the aboriginal inherent owners of the land...the kanakas.<BR/>Through obstructionist american policies, they have been strategically sliced out of the pie.<BR/><BR/>Bubba will get first dibs on a house. Period.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-16380989353522136552009-04-01T11:20:00.000-10:002009-04-01T11:20:00.000-10:00-..."the issue is far from settled, and not even c...-..."the issue is far from settled, and not even close to being over."....well said joan. mahaloAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-53235102357849829002009-04-01T11:12:00.000-10:002009-04-01T11:12:00.000-10:00"I'm not buying it. It's window dressing."That's u..."I'm not buying it. It's window dressing."<BR/><BR/>That's up to you, but that's really what it was going to be used for. Affordable housing.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-31568782154899952422009-04-01T10:44:00.000-10:002009-04-01T10:44:00.000-10:00That's the rap - affordable housing. We're suppos...That's the rap - affordable housing. We're supposed to see that as indisputable proof that selling the lands is in everyone's best interest.<BR/><BR/>I'm not buying it. It's window dressing.Katyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09145011324294730195noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-43121999722447629082009-04-01T10:37:00.000-10:002009-04-01T10:37:00.000-10:00"selling the seized lands to the highest bidder"Ac..."selling the seized lands to the highest bidder"<BR/><BR/>Actually it was going to be affordable low income housing.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-53581867490393671372009-04-01T10:25:00.000-10:002009-04-01T10:25:00.000-10:00There is a link to the decision in the sixth parag...There is a link to the decision in the sixth paragraph that reads "In fact, what the decision actually says is:"Joan Conrowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00172330100788007499noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-92154643777793008712009-04-01T09:58:00.000-10:002009-04-01T09:58:00.000-10:00I think it's important that we make the case that ...I think it's important that we make the case that selling the seized lands to the highest bidder is not in our best interest as a society - even for non-Kanaka Maoli.Katyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09145011324294730195noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-5800307059504950692009-04-01T09:47:00.000-10:002009-04-01T09:47:00.000-10:00the decision is a pretty easy read and understand,...the decision is a pretty easy read and understand, perhaps a link to it so people can take a full look? and note the decision was pretty narrow in scope, and unanimousAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com