tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post6301990329865956807..comments2023-10-17T04:51:08.765-10:00Comments on KauaiEclectic: Musings: Continuing ConversationsJoan Conrowhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00172330100788007499noreply@blogger.comBlogger31125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-90014256303875872642017-04-18T19:57:41.604-10:002017-04-18T19:57:41.604-10:00http://americanloons.blogspot.com/2014/01/864-jona...http://americanloons.blogspot.com/2014/01/864-jonathan-latham-allison-wilson.html<br /><br />enough said.... Literally the first google search result. Next time, use some critical tickings skills prior to posting<br /><br />second red flag, he's on Robin Obrein's website. Bet Mom Across America too. <br /><br /><br />https://robynobrien.com/author/jrlatham/<br /><br />Those familiar with scientific method laugh half way through trying to read his stuff. <br /><br /><br />Anybody that passed QPS in 9th grade wouldn't believe what he writes.<br /><br />Literally makes my head hurt.<br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11553534513992452534noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-3676675904700623792017-04-14T05:56:16.723-10:002017-04-14T05:56:16.723-10:004/13 @ 11:02, there are so many kinds of wrong wit...4/13 @ 11:02, there are so many kinds of wrong with your statement it's hard to know where to begin. Same for 11:48 AM. No wonder the antis are losing.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-17963790707324919302017-04-13T11:48:23.349-10:002017-04-13T11:48:23.349-10:00Sounds like the experiments are being conducted up...Sounds like the experiments are being conducted upon the environment, kind of like roulette. Make a promise that they will be confined, break the promise and allow them to escape, and then wait and see what happens. Is this really the cautious and scientific way to determine safety? If so, we may be in for a world of trouble.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-55127149165312029982017-04-13T11:21:10.044-10:002017-04-13T11:21:10.044-10:004/13 @ 10:23 AM, please provide specific documente...4/13 @ 10:23 AM, please provide specific documented instances of the "broken promises" to which you refer.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-40237471839497205132017-04-13T11:04:11.923-10:002017-04-13T11:04:11.923-10:00Monsanto has claimed that roundup was biodegradabl...Monsanto has claimed that roundup was biodegradable and environmentally friendly. Do you have an opinion on this, Joan?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-35385231784236363352017-04-13T11:02:21.448-10:002017-04-13T11:02:21.448-10:00So it seems that there are no long term studies co...So it seems that there are no long term studies confirming that the escape of GMOs into the wild are safe and good for the ecosystem. Am I correct in making this assumption?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-1526876532333595522017-04-13T10:50:42.790-10:002017-04-13T10:50:42.790-10:00@10:23 I was referencing human health.
Part of ...@10:23 I was referencing human health. <br /><br />Part of the process of deregulating GM crops is examining their potential to become noxious weeds. The only GM fishes that have been deregulated are the glo-fish, an aquarium novelty, and the salmon, which is raised in inland pens. As I've previously mentioned, AquaBounty did extensive studies that showed the salmon would be unable to survive long enough to mate, even if it were inadvertently introduced into the wild. The GM mosquitoes are intended to be introduced into the wild, and to the best of my knowledge, there's been no indication they pose any ecosystem threat, though studies continue.Joan Conrowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00172330100788007499noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-12915389749822196102017-04-13T10:23:51.287-10:002017-04-13T10:23:51.287-10:00Joan, When speaking about GMO health safety, are y...Joan, When speaking about GMO health safety, are you referring only to human health, or also to the health of the ʻāina? Gmo companies have broken their promise that GMOs would be contained and prevented from escaping into the wild environment. Could you provide us with information about long term studies showing that the spread of GMOs into the wild is safe for the environment with no negative effects on the health of the ʻāina. Talking about both plants and animals here, since GMOs also include fish and mosquitoes. Is our ecosystem threatened at all by the escape of these GMOs?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-70643987621013462722017-04-13T09:05:41.619-10:002017-04-13T09:05:41.619-10:00I was pointing out that Bradley was stating an opi...I was pointing out that Bradley was stating an opinion, which is very different than someone making scientific claims, regardless of what side of any issue they are on. And if you don't think it's juvenile to leave 100 comments in a fit of pique then clearly there's no reason to continue this comment exchange. Btw, Commenting on this blog is not your entitlement. If I don't want to publish any comment for any reason, that's my right. Joan Conrowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00172330100788007499noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-44022743495754818542017-04-13T07:55:28.411-10:002017-04-13T07:55:28.411-10:00"supposedly independent scientist who is actu..."supposedly independent scientist who is actually funded by the organic industry" but it's ok for scientists and universities that get money from the GMO and pesticide industries? Are they shills and liars too? Does that make their research "garbage" as Bradley suggest? Whenever your hypocrisy is pointed out you either have some childish put down or refuse to print it. If you and other commenters are allowed to call people names on this comment section then others should be allowed to. But as usual, you only print what fits your narrative or something you have a juvenile comeback for.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-33519111828464746962017-04-13T07:09:15.439-10:002017-04-13T07:09:15.439-10:00If you can't see the difference between a farm...If you can't see the difference between a farmer expressing his opinion and a supposedly independent scientist who is actually funded by the organic industry, then you're really dense. But then, your denseness was glaringly evident from your incessant commenting.Joan Conrowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00172330100788007499noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-29238717376330086262017-04-13T06:54:52.196-10:002017-04-13T06:54:52.196-10:00Why does Bradley get to insinuate that a person wi...Why does Bradley get to insinuate that a person with a PhD would lie and say "Look at where the man gets his money and you'll understand why he says what all the other organic shills say. His "research" is garbage." But the same can't be said about Bradley's integrity since his livelihood is contingent on GMO crops and pesticides? Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-68551400758735092532017-04-10T07:40:28.616-10:002017-04-10T07:40:28.616-10:00Aloha Dee Morikawa,
Thank you for engaging with Dr...Aloha Dee Morikawa,<br />Thank you for engaging with Dr. Evslin, especially on access to psychological help as the "red shirts" are in dire need of precisely that. Once they have their heads examined they may soon come to the realization that consumption of GMO products has no negative health effects; exposure to low levels of pesticides is akin to moderate alcohol consumption; and organic foods provide absolutely no additional health benefits as compared with GMO foods. But, until psychiatrists and psychologists can undo the northshore brainwashing our islanders have received, we'll need to withstand the barrage of misinformation from these zealots. Keep up the good work at the state legislature and remain even-keeled on these hot topics.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-82373579375052601922017-04-09T09:02:38.013-10:002017-04-09T09:02:38.013-10:00There were circumstances prior to the deaths of th...There were circumstances prior to the deaths of the 4 persons at St Catherine's graveyard that needs attention and a thorough investigation.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-158000643239407942017-04-09T07:32:55.998-10:002017-04-09T07:32:55.998-10:00Thank you Joan. I've had good conversations w...Thank you Joan. I've had good conversations with Dr. Evslin on another issue regarding access to psychological help in rural areas, so I know he cares about the health of our people. On the pesticide issues, he is being fair about how to proceed and you nailed it! The legislature is not necessarily the experts to accomplish this. The legislature needs to properly fund the agencies who do the work on enforcement, education, training and research. The recent demise of SB804, which was a good bill that would have increased the pesticide fund, was caused by a legislator's "gutting and replacing" of initiatives that now included the Health Department, the University of Hawaii and the Consumer Protection agencies. There wasn't enough time for public input and, in my opinion, every bill must be afforded that conversation. After session, the Health committee has committed to hold informational briefings to bring the departments in for current status and next steps. Then we will meet again before next session, to determine what more will be needed to address buffer zones, disclosure and notification.Dee Morikawanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-26040695766225497552017-04-08T13:56:23.539-10:002017-04-08T13:56:23.539-10:00@1:44 Don't play coy. He capitalizes on it bec...@1:44 Don't play coy. He capitalizes on it because it's his group. He started and leads it. Joan Conrowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00172330100788007499noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-83431909249669866462017-04-08T13:44:33.127-10:002017-04-08T13:44:33.127-10:00How is Hooser capitalizing on it? People who work ...How is Hooser capitalizing on it? People who work with HAPA are telling me that he is a volunteer and gets no money. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-2992232260465429402017-04-08T08:35:25.297-10:002017-04-08T08:35:25.297-10:00Jonathan R. Latham, PhD aka shill for big organic,... Jonathan R. Latham, PhD aka shill for big organic, aka co-founder of bioscience resource. Look at where the man gets his money and you'll understand why he says what all the other organic shills say. His "research" is garbage.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11553534513992452534noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-41368320590595669462017-04-08T07:56:47.514-10:002017-04-08T07:56:47.514-10:00@7:01 I don't know of anyone who is arguing th...@7:01 I don't know of anyone who is arguing that pesticides are "safe." The issue has always been, are people being exposed, and at what levels? Because there are thresholds of exposure that are not harmful. <br /><br />There are always some scientists who have a different opinion. We see that now with climate change. But when you have groups like NAS coming out and saying there has been no indication that GMO foods are harmful to health after nearly three decades of consumption, that carries more weight than outliers' views.<br /><br />And yes, this debate preceded Hooser and Lukens and is bigger than them, though the antis have employed the same fear-mongering, deceptive tactics worldwide They're just trying to capitalize on it in Hawaii. Joan Conrowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00172330100788007499noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-43996508941347433392017-04-08T07:01:57.147-10:002017-04-08T07:01:57.147-10:00So how would you describe
T. Colin Campbell, PhD...So how would you describe <br />T. Colin Campbell, PhD , Jonathan R. Latham, PhD, and other scientists and doctors with similar views on pesticides and GMO? They have worked in the field and disagree that pesticides and gmo are safe. And they are way smarter than you. The debate started way before Ashley and Gary and is way bigger than either. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-3788995020462834162017-04-08T06:31:30.801-10:002017-04-08T06:31:30.801-10:00Norman Borlaug should be canonized. Ashley Lukens ...Norman Borlaug should be canonized. Ashley Lukens and Gary Hooser and their puppet masters are from the Eighth Circle of Dante's Inferno. We need more people like Borlaug and even Dr. Evslin and none like Lukens and Hooser.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-68413869223904148152017-04-08T05:36:30.920-10:002017-04-08T05:36:30.920-10:00@7:02 Under the conflict business model, activist ...@7:02 Under the conflict business model, activist groups stir up controversy, which they then use to raise money. That's what this is about. <br /><br />I have no problem folks with giving money to a cause they believe in, though this issue is hardly an "environmental cause." My objection is to people like Ashley and Hooser who create needless conflict through lies and fear-mongering to attract those donations to their groups, especially when they refuse to be transparent about their funding sources and expenditures.<br /><br />This was hardly a diatribe against Hooser. So long as he continues to stir up pilikia and put himself in the limelight, his actions will be called out and criticized. If you don't like it, read something else.<br /><br />@1:16 I was in an elevator in CA a few years back that had a warning sign that materials used in its construction could possibly cause cancer. I'm not sure how meaningful some of their labeling is. A "possible cancer threat" is pretty vague.<br /><br />@1:05 What a stupid question.Joan Conrowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00172330100788007499noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-19804534071521988722017-04-07T21:02:37.215-10:002017-04-07T21:02:37.215-10:001:16 california labels 'may cause cancer'...1:16 california labels 'may cause cancer' is on lotsa stuff. if those products werent available the state would go broke. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-22438558399548297542017-04-07T19:02:13.977-10:002017-04-07T19:02:13.977-10:00"And without a raison d'être to attract d..."And without a raison d'être to attract donors, they've got no cash."<br /><br />Oh look. Another diatribe against Gary Hooser. <br /><br />And honestly, I doubt being In favor of the pesticide notification bill pays any better than being against it. I don't see either you or Gary Hooser getting rich at this at your level. It's not like you're Syngenta lobbyists or highly paid PR firms or chemical executives flying around in private jets. <br /><br />What's it to you if someone want to contribute to an environmental cause they believe in?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-24600524953861694042017-04-07T14:46:16.079-10:002017-04-07T14:46:16.079-10:00Good to see the doctor see the errors in his metho...Good to see the doctor see the errors in his methodology of pursuing the banning of pesticides. It doesn't require confrontational tactics. Seems like the antis have only the chloropyrifos issue now. That's a come down from their anti-GMO stance.<br /><br />DINKYDAOAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com