tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post6612409981606417210..comments2023-10-17T04:51:08.765-10:00Comments on KauaiEclectic: Musings: Ethical MessagesJoan Conrowhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00172330100788007499noreply@blogger.comBlogger33125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-9077612153544824242013-12-31T11:13:09.247-10:002013-12-31T11:13:09.247-10:00My apologies for misspelling your last name, Fern....My apologies for misspelling your last name, Fern. I've corrected it on the post.Joan Conrowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00172330100788007499noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-73219152174288209272013-12-31T09:45:27.135-10:002013-12-31T09:45:27.135-10:00Aloha everyone, first of all Joan my married last ...Aloha everyone, first of all Joan my married last name is Rosenstiel - but I think that was just a typo in your post :)<br /><br />Calling yourself a scientist is a pretty vague statement to be honest and I don't generally do it. <br /><br />For your, and the interest of those who have commented, I have a bachelors of science with majors in marine biology, wildlife management and environmental science. I did every class offered at my university as I am interested in a wide array of the sciences.<br /><br />I have held the titles of Environmental Scientist and Environmental Officer over my 2.5 years professional experience in the field prior to coming home. Through that time most of my experience was based in ecology. I have also worked on some contaminated land projects, marine water profiling and environmental monitoring projects and major environmental impact statements. If you are ever interested in knowing more about my experience or have any questions about me, please feel free to contact me directly either through facebook or email at getinvolved@ohanaokauai.org<br /><br />Mahalo!Fernnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-51666033266868021262013-12-30T11:56:31.934-10:002013-12-30T11:56:31.934-10:00If anyone would like to read Nomi "BAB" ...If anyone would like to read Nomi "BAB" Carmona's long-winded, error-filled, repetitive, tedious, condescending, self-justifying rant in response to this post, it can be found here:<br /><br />https://docs.google.com/document/d/1JFrQmMqbHSsZebvls1AKQG5ZU4Q1PZoKtQE2TBJV8KA/edit?usp=sharing<br /><br />As an example of its idiocy, it starts with this:<br /><br /><i>It is my generation that has been fed GMOs practically since birth, which your generation allowed, and fed to us.</i><br /><br />Uh, Nomi, GMOs were not introduced into commercial farming until 1996. I'm pretty sure you're older than 17. Plenty of folks in my generation, including me, were speaking out against GMOs years before you sashayed onto the scene. So don't be lecturing me on an issue about which I am far better informed than you.<br /><br />If you want to be taken seriously, get your facts straight. Especially since you claim "The bulk of our work is in policy and political research."<br />Joan Conrowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00172330100788007499noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-6967295547126834652013-12-26T14:02:54.541-10:002013-12-26T14:02:54.541-10:00Isnʻt Nomi a Mexican?Isnʻt Nomi a Mexican?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-7796323826100401032013-12-26T14:02:11.699-10:002013-12-26T14:02:11.699-10:00I got turned off to their tactics early on and ref...I got turned off to their tactics early on and refused to post their crap on my facebook page or sign anything they were behind, just on principle. I made a comment about it a while back and was thinking Iʻd get attacked and called jealous.<br /> <br />No, they turned a real and valid debate into a circus and so did the pregnant woman with NO GMO painted on her belly standing on the side of the road. Bunch of hippie transplants and poor ʻlil Kauai is getting pukier all the time, even the ones with money are nothing but a bunch of opinionated old hippies.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-64249438046838567662013-12-24T22:31:26.707-10:002013-12-24T22:31:26.707-10:00This is just gettin' started, folks! You ain&...This is just gettin' started, folks! You ain't seen nothin' yet!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-2768820157653538062013-12-24T10:25:14.685-10:002013-12-24T10:25:14.685-10:0012/23/13, 6:02PM, yes, precisely, you are right--w...12/23/13, 6:02PM, yes, precisely, you are right--we ALL just blindly consume. If you drive a car, you are burning GMO derived ethanol. If you have any health issues, you will likely be taking a GMO derived drug. The issue is not chemicals/pesticides used by just five chemicals. It is the ubiquitous use of chemicals for our convenience. Indeed, we have met the enemy, and he is us. <br />And if we do not see this, then yes, we are myopic. Nothing wrong with that, except ignorance and hypocrisy. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-45461902366165880982013-12-24T05:48:47.341-10:002013-12-24T05:48:47.341-10:00Myself, I'd have you fight for a worthy bill, ...Myself, I'd have you fight for a worthy bill, not one that will make bad law and be indefensible in court. I have a higher standard than you, and believe the red shirts got played or are playing , the pass the bill group got a lousy bill passed.lAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-25051571011620126592013-12-23T18:02:47.162-10:002013-12-23T18:02:47.162-10:00Whom am I to judge? What would you have us do, jus...Whom am I to judge? What would you have us do, just blindly consume? You have fallen into the trap that powers that be want you in. Nothing is important except the bottom line, and there is nothing we do about it. You are totally locked into the matrix with eyes wide shut. You will be first in line going into the FEMA camp when this system comes crashing down. Good luck with that.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-51591518890950663882013-12-23T17:36:09.614-10:002013-12-23T17:36:09.614-10:00This Saturday 2-4pm, Wailua-Kapaa Neighborhood Ass...This Saturday 2-4pm, Wailua-Kapaa Neighborhood Association meeting is hosting Council Vice Chair Mason Chock. <br /><br />Are you going Joan? Would be nice to do a piece on that. Also wondering how Mason could vote for himself after claiming he looked up to all the other councilmembers for guidance, including the much more experienced Mel Rapozo.<br /><br />Want to ask him how he can base all his decision making around the welfare of children, is he not willing to look at what is legal and what is not? as long as it has to do with children he'll vote in favor, even if it is illegal.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-7398256285860402812013-12-23T12:40:28.004-10:002013-12-23T12:40:28.004-10:00Quite fascinating how myopic (not necessarily limi...Quite fascinating how myopic (not necessarily limited to eyesight, but also insight) people are to defend the content of #2491 and the process by which it was passed. The intent of the bill is worthy, that is, to bring attention to the wide use of chemicals in our society. Yet, we are all hypocrites. We all want the comforts and joys of "modern living" and "better living through chemistry," but we all participate in the "chemicalization" of society. We take pills (drugs=chemicals) for every ill, and they inevitably are flushed down the toilet, either firsthand or secondhand. When we have termites or bugs in our home, we call the pest control operators, or worse yet, try to treat them ourselves, very often now knowing what we are doing or really using. The use of triclosan is ubiquitous--in our soaps, shampoos, toothpaste,cleaning products, deodorants,plasticware, paints. Where do they all end up? Either in our bodies, or in the waste stream, which end up in the groundwater or the ocean. The foods we eat are nearly all produced with chemicals, and you'd be surprised to find out that even supposedly "organic" foods are produced with synthetic chemicals, knowingly or unknowingly. <br />To now target five agricultural companies of use of pesticides, is like trying to target the large auto makers for the use of oil. Or perhaps to target the human population for the participation in our daily activities, such as eating, driving, having the comforts of technology.<br />Pope Francis said it best: "Who am I to judge?"Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-19743979840543739682013-12-22T23:52:01.466-10:002013-12-22T23:52:01.466-10:00Having a bachelor's or graduate degree in scie...Having a bachelor's or graduate degree in science actually does qualify you to call yourself a scientist. On the other hand, an arts degree (B.A., M.A., etc.) doesn't make you a scientist. A Ph.D. confers the title of doctor, not scientist. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-49119053945909832732013-12-22T20:06:13.867-10:002013-12-22T20:06:13.867-10:00what degree does fern have? bachelors in what?
sc...what degree does fern have? bachelors in what?<br /><br />scientist my @$$!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-4610601256898447472013-12-22T13:09:13.639-10:002013-12-22T13:09:13.639-10:00No Chuck Fern isn't a scientist. Just more BAB...No Chuck Fern isn't a scientist. Just more BAB BS. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-24170089192142532232013-12-22T12:31:51.489-10:002013-12-22T12:31:51.489-10:00Fern's a scientist? When did she get her PhD? ...Fern's a scientist? When did she get her PhD? The last I heard she claimed to have a BSc (bachelor's degree). I have a Bachelor's of Science degree, and even I know that does not make me a scientist.Chuck Laskerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16719048370037095323noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-28904143950935169352013-12-22T12:23:03.273-10:002013-12-22T12:23:03.273-10:00 The Babes might be the correct deciders of the wh... The Babes might be the correct deciders of the who, what and wheres of the various steps toward implementation. Dream on Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-32742634475877911842013-12-22T09:44:08.380-10:002013-12-22T09:44:08.380-10:00The nude human body is beautiful. Beauty is in th...The nude human body is beautiful. Beauty is in the eyes of the beholder. So is titillation. It is our choice. Which do we choose - beauty or titillation?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-39245259556479641042013-12-22T09:19:25.648-10:002013-12-22T09:19:25.648-10:00http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=39YUXIKrOFk
Right S...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=39YUXIKrOFk<br />Right Said Fred in his video says it all.<br />I count my lucky solstice stars that more of the Million Fisters didn't wear their small things while exercising the right of speech. That would be prove the need for real GMOs.<br />The real problem is how will the law move forward. The Babes might be the correct deciders of the who, what and wheres of the various steps toward implementation. The Council has already shown they are mentally under-dressed for the challenge.<br /><br />The County needs money and resolve.<br />But, never mind, the 2014 election may denude the existing Council and some newly frocked lawmakers may either dress up the law or disrobe it completely.<br /><br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-30924219323739410012013-12-22T08:36:11.581-10:002013-12-22T08:36:11.581-10:00@5:44pm: you've LITERALLY been slaughtered by...@5:44pm: you've LITERALLY been slaughtered by anonymous attack dogs from this blog? joan is far more powerful than we all thought!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-91184692442364891172013-12-22T07:50:16.405-10:002013-12-22T07:50:16.405-10:00Joan , the truth telling and writing like it is mu...Joan , the truth telling and writing like it is must stop. Joan please get on board writing what the Babes want you to, they have bigger boobs.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-16084594868947594192013-12-22T07:48:08.478-10:002013-12-22T07:48:08.478-10:00well i agree with you Joan, wtf is Nomi thinking? ...well i agree with you Joan, wtf is Nomi thinking? I'm sure she knows the surfer boys and old men may drool a bit, but that does not and has not added anything to the discussion. And Nomi dear, next time you want followers, and no one else to judge, raise your level of inquiry, and keep your boobs put away, then ppeople may show some respect. Otherwise act like one Ho, be treated as such.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-50069752773195360692013-12-22T02:28:43.157-10:002013-12-22T02:28:43.157-10:00Mahalo for putting that post up Joan. I respect yo...Mahalo for putting that post up Joan. I respect you for your writing talent and story telling as well as mediating a blog. I don't agree with what I see going on in here but it's only my opinion. I'm not trying to detract whatsoever from the fact it It is meant to be illuminating and reflective. This is your blog. I tried to be as frank as I could but I have little respect for the words being bandied about in here nor the actual content of most of these discussions. Lots of what I'd call "sniping" going on in here. That being said. You can all think what you want of me. I mean no harm. I'm waiting to hear the snipers have a field day on that post. Let's have some productive discussion. Not daytime soap opera dialogue....;-)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-46377069223729658962013-12-21T18:10:13.618-10:002013-12-21T18:10:13.618-10:005:44
Holy Smokareenies, fantastic kvetching.
I do...5:44<br />Holy Smokareenies, fantastic kvetching.<br /><br />I do not agree with most of Joan's positions, but she sure do gets da folks to listen and worser yet, even the Council people have da fear that Joan will pencil their deified names in this blog, if they do a bad No-NO. Right on, Joan, it is your blog (if you like your blog, you can keep your blog). Keep it up.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-20261808513314230032013-12-21T17:44:18.394-10:002013-12-21T17:44:18.394-10:00Although I understand your point to a degree as we...Although I understand your point to a degree as well as the commenter's biases I fail to see how their style of drawing attention to their organization is anything but above board. You all have your slant on things. So do they. You all are interpreting it as sexualizing. I'm sure they aren't. The way they are drawing attention to the GMO debate is as ethical as anything I know of. I don't see anything more then young women who got together to do their part. If you notice they are attracting the young males. These are a group that are hard to get onboard anything as a rule. As they say in the media...Any press coverage is good. These women are using what they can to bring attention to the movement not themselves. The calendar helps bring in money. What they're doing is far more ethical than what the Biotech industry is doing. Look around. Open your eyes. Read the news. The world is waking up to these companies and what they are doing. Meanwhile the knitting circle here continues to throw out the manini nonsense using words like titilate, Hypocracy, manipulation, projecting all kinds of nonsense to please you the blogger. I don't see much dialogue in here. Just talking shit. Why don't one of you actually say something productive? You're all so wrapped up in griping you say nothing but pilikia and pat yourselves on the back. Those women are doing something useful. They got off their asses and did something. All I see here is a bunch people hiding behind the word anonymous. Oh I know who a couple of you are. You're as bad as the rest but your styles are to talk shit and have these inane conversations in here. I don't see anything but empty words meant to inflame and detract. I'll post as who i am when I see some real names in here. That in itself is disingenuous. This a back room full of unhappy people with nothing to do but talk shit. Joan I like the way you write sometimes and you have your opinions which is fine but to foster this is probably feeding your ego to have a bunch of yes people but what are you accomplishing by this other than some self serving agenda. Try writing a balanced piece. I'll bet you can't. And why did you remove the one comment? Didn't like it? Whatever it was was free speech but it didn't fit your agenda so you bagged it. I didn't see it but it seems it was degrading to women. So what let it stand. Otherwise all it is in here is a bunch of back patting followers of your biased and off the mark opinion. Those women aren't doing anything worse then you are in fact they are doing better because they are out there front and center for this group of whatever you are hiding behind the word anonymous. I'll put my name up when I see all yours. I 've already been slandered in this blog by anonymous attack dogs (used literally) so I'm not really wanting it again but come on change your style Joan. Show us you're intelligent not opinionated and divisive. There you all go. Something to jump on. I'm just sticking up for people who are actually doing something not bitching in a back room blog.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-40759572579246861902013-12-21T17:37:25.690-10:002013-12-21T17:37:25.690-10:00Perhaps, the Babes were a little too provocative i...Perhaps, the Babes were a little too provocative in their approach. <br />There is no way to control a public debate. This movement embraced all sorts, nut-jobs, serious thinkers, glory hounds and the Babes. <br />The Core Values of the movement were sketchy at best. There never could be any realistic conversation with the Chemical Companies with the <br />likes of Hooser and Bynam at the helm. These two leaders have a long history of being anti-business, period. If your leaders have no ethics, then the followers will have no boundaries.<br />The Babes may have inspired a little diversion, but the center of the movement was angry, threatening and chaotic.<br />For true negotiation and results, Hooser, the big fist of the million fisters could have shown truthfulness, sincerity and fairness.<br />Hooser/Bynam forgot that Kauai is one island made of many people. And now, the Babes are gone, the mob is gone and Kauai people are left, to pay for a poorly written law that becomes more confusing as each day passes. <br />But I have faith, Tim and Gary and Kauai in its new standing as the epi-center of the universe regarding Bio-Tech will solve all problems with herbicides, GMOs and wind drift.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com