tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post6875217484039450432..comments2023-10-17T04:51:08.765-10:00Comments on KauaiEclectic: Musings: Monday Mixed PlateJoan Conrowhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00172330100788007499noreply@blogger.comBlogger20125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-42490496344487161442014-12-13T07:14:05.245-10:002014-12-13T07:14:05.245-10:00showing dying corals is sad, but it'slike show...showing dying corals is sad, but it'slike showing a dead body an of course it is sad, sickening, but it does nothing to show causation. There is a host of things weakening the coral reef and the fact that 1 million people a year dip their heavily suncreened bodies into the water while the snorkel on the coral reef.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-55945044798951994282014-12-09T17:35:07.499-10:002014-12-09T17:35:07.499-10:00Mr. Hunt, a good guy? You must be kidding. Tresler...Mr. Hunt, a good guy? You must be kidding. Tresler? Same old shit.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-26337112595780016402014-12-09T14:56:24.186-10:002014-12-09T14:56:24.186-10:00"You got your knickers in a twist about nothi..."You got your knickers in a twist about nothing."<br /><br />you tell'em joan! we love your blog and will always read yours first before any other kaua'i blog. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-90777930705651012482014-12-09T09:48:28.859-10:002014-12-09T09:48:28.859-10:00@9:43pm- "Terry Lilley freakouts"? P;eas...@9:43pm- "Terry Lilley freakouts"? P;ease gp to Terry's facebook page and read a little-look at the photos. If what is happening to Kaua'i's coral and sea life does not freak you out, too, then I think you may not be human.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-82472822533695388822014-12-09T08:50:26.839-10:002014-12-09T08:50:26.839-10:00Oh, and the public can also call, send an email to...Oh, and the public can also call, send an email to one of 4 email addresses, send letters by mail or in person, post messages on the Council's Facebook page or fax testimony. If they can't get their point across in 3 minutes then they can put it in writing.<br /><br />So it really is false to say public access and participation has been restricted.Joan Conrowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00172330100788007499noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-49502188059761280642014-12-09T07:03:24.199-10:002014-12-09T07:03:24.199-10:00As I noted in another post, Loren, no one had ever...As I noted in another post, Loren, no one had ever actually presented a petition to the Council, which is why the Council staff, and not Mel, proposed dropping that provision from the county rules.<br /><br />And as a previous commenter noted, the OIP itself — advocate of public participation — had expressed concerns about the 18 minutes of public testimony at the start of the meeting.<br /><br />You got your knickers in a twist about nothing. People on Kauai still have twice the public testimony time as any other county, they can still submit written testimony, they can still snag their council members at Safeway and give them an earful.<br /><br />And please, don't try to pretend you weren't influenced at all by Parx's post when you cited him as a source for your testimony. Joan Conrowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00172330100788007499noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-30512566977980195782014-12-09T06:35:16.755-10:002014-12-09T06:35:16.755-10:00Please don’t jump to conclusions about influence: ...Please don’t jump to conclusions about influence: I wrote about the rule changes based on a “Ramseyer” (differences comparison) I constructed directly from county documents cited as references. <br /><br />Eliminating Rule 9 (public petition to council) is one major way the new rules "restrict public involvement and access" along with other changes as I detailed November 30. <br /><br />If there is reason to believe the reported email from that other source mentioned in the December 2 post is not authentic please share the evidence. In any case, just the one paragraph references it: the rest is all based on county sources. <br /><br />All the rest of my writing on the rules is based on original sources from the county. If there is any misinformation in there please help me correct it with specific references.<br /><br />Thanks, /LorenLorenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05546834890598230551noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-37708503047842355592014-12-09T00:00:28.660-10:002014-12-09T00:00:28.660-10:00How much does it cost for long meetings and what&#...How much does it cost for long meetings and what's the benefit? Pass the illegal bill at 3 in the morning after listening to six minutes times how many people?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-8102308931500524992014-12-08T21:43:06.867-10:002014-12-08T21:43:06.867-10:00Hey, you should ease up on TGI. It must wear them...Hey, you should ease up on TGI. It must wear them out to cover all those charity fun runs and Terry Lilley freakouts.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-3194445425588921202014-12-08T19:09:18.797-10:002014-12-08T19:09:18.797-10:00Joan wrote:
"...You used misinformation that ...<br />Joan wrote:<br /><i>"...You used misinformation that Gary fed to an non-credible source (Parx) in writing your post, which then allowed Gary to use your post to perpetuate his misinformation."</i><br /><br /><br />Hence the term, "circle-junk." <br /><br /><br />Er... "circle-joke?"<br /><br />..."circle-jack?"<br /><br />"-jake?"<br /><br /><br />Anyways, circle-something-with-a-j.<br /><br />Dawsonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-20472765186263608762014-12-08T16:29:15.345-10:002014-12-08T16:29:15.345-10:00I think the removal of the 18 minute pre-meeting s...I think the removal of the 18 minute pre-meeting segment was based on concerns by the Office of Information Practices. That is what I saw when I watched the meeting. Mel made that very clear in his comments. I could be wrong but that is what I heard.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-90455733464659568512014-12-08T16:07:12.920-10:002014-12-08T16:07:12.920-10:00I am so happy to have another Parx wannabe, bloggi...I am so happy to have another Parx wannabe, blogging Fistee propaganda. Well written, but misinformed. Perhaps this newest newcomer will vet his blog now that Joan has made him famous.<br />The move to make the Council effective via Mel's suggestions (that were passed by a majority)is a good thing.<br />To by pass the Glen Mickens et al nitpicker show will save a lot of time. <br />Jay would still be on the Council if he used a little discretion on bringing bills up to the Council. He was a slapdoodle for the Fistees.<br />Now the Council can work on a real budget and focus on utilitarian projects instead of puff puff idealist journeys into some NS utopian ideal.<br />Steve Hunt is a good man and the County is losing a smart guy as head of finance. He deserves a "patience award" for not knocking the silly f*cking. know-it-all grins off of Bynum and Hooser's fat faces during the Agronomics and other tax episodes. Thank you Mr Hunt. Kauai is grateful that your talents are still in County employ.<br /> Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-75338360723299574022014-12-08T15:58:16.201-10:002014-12-08T15:58:16.201-10:00That would effect a maximum of six persons, or fou...That would effect a maximum of six persons, or four, if you consider that Mickens and Rosa always took two of the six slots.Joan Conrowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00172330100788007499noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-38455649910046153842014-12-08T15:26:39.649-10:002014-12-08T15:26:39.649-10:00Joan, Do the new rules eliminate early scheduled t...Joan, Do the new rules eliminate early scheduled time for public testimony requiring indeterminable waiting for such testimony? If so, wouldn't that "restrict public involvement and access" compared to the previous rule allowing such testimony at a fixed time?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-85039714424413534542014-12-08T12:09:19.579-10:002014-12-08T12:09:19.579-10:00Hawaii is never going to be self-sufficient while ...Hawaii is never going to be self-sufficient while the Jones Act is in effect. Matson is a sacred cow that will never be touched. That's why Hawaii operates like a third world country.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-17830800697672104842014-12-08T11:15:19.552-10:002014-12-08T11:15:19.552-10:00I felt my point was pretty clear, Loren, but you d...I felt my point was pretty clear, Loren, but you do seem to have missed it. To clarify, it's this: You used misinformation that Gary fed to an non-credible source (Parx) in writing your post, which then allowed Gary to use your post to perpetuate his misinformation. Specifically, I am referencing the false claim that the new rules "restrict public involvement and access" — they don't — and your contention that this is part of a power grab by the Chair, which ignores the fact that the changes were approved in a 5-2 vote of the Council. Seems more like majority rules than totalitarianism to me.Joan Conrowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00172330100788007499noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-90691613188612887542014-12-08T10:20:21.919-10:002014-12-08T10:20:21.919-10:00Hi Joan, Would you kindly clarify your point about...Hi Joan, Would you kindly clarify your point about my blog in this post? <br /><br />At the time, Andy's post with email purportedly from Councilmember Rapozo was the only information I could find suggesting rationale for the new rules which I thought it was important to write about ahead of the meeting. In citing the source I specifically wrote that this might not be authentic.<br /><br />More importantly, at the meeting the new Council Chair indeed said that "efficiency" as a prime motive for many of the rule changes, so what's the problem? In labeling Andy's post "erroneous" do you have evidence that the email Andy quoted is not authentic? In any case I think my post clearly says that if "efficiency" is the rationale given then the council should look closely at exactly what past inefficiencies it address and that the gain is worth the cost of concentrating power in one person. I was writing about the purported email Andy reprinted as a hypothetical argument that indeed came out later at council, not about anything Andy wrote.<br /><br />I suppose I could have pretended to make up the efficiency argument but since I had seen this and it seemed plausible thought it was most honest to provide the reference without claiming it was fact.<br /><br />My intention is to discuss the rules themselves, not who said what. Unless you think that efficiency was never given as a rationalization for some of the rule changes I think that's a perfectly valid topic.<br /><br />Thanks,<br />/LorenLorenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05546834890598230551noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-86556553993851804442014-12-08T10:01:57.498-10:002014-12-08T10:01:57.498-10:00Thanks, 9:30. I must've missed it. They were ...Thanks, 9:30. I must've missed it. They were just a week after me, so not too bad.Joan Conrowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00172330100788007499noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-48033916457974573852014-12-08T09:55:30.076-10:002014-12-08T09:55:30.076-10:00Re: TGI's selective reporting: A dozen protest...Re: TGI's selective reporting: A dozen protesters showed up at Walmart's two entrances on Black Friday, one of more than 2000 protest sites across the country. Their signs did not say "don't shop", instead demanded a living wage and stop firing older workers.<br /> A TGI reporter interviewed and took pictures, but no coverage in TGI. Taken with refusal to print letters to the editor critical of Walmart worker policies, there is a pattern of pro-business, anti-worker sentiment at TGI.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-30702047627982744252014-12-08T09:30:31.676-10:002014-12-08T09:30:31.676-10:00http://thegardenisland.com/business/agriculture/k-...http://thegardenisland.com/business/agriculture/k-gmo-study-to-begin/article_a858751c-7c47-11e4-8dce-2731ce3905d2.htmlAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com