tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post7100314768964907936..comments2023-10-17T04:51:08.765-10:00Comments on KauaiEclectic: Musings: Look the Other WayJoan Conrowhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00172330100788007499noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-67662685797251855442008-05-06T06:36:00.000-10:002008-05-06T06:36:00.000-10:00I get a free trip on the HSF and all the Kona Brew...I get a free trip on the HSF and all the Kona Brew I can drink for each post! I love roller coaster boat rides.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-61455781956944296822008-05-05T22:22:00.000-10:002008-05-05T22:22:00.000-10:00Gadfly!Where you been, buddy?Shoot, the SF must be...Gadfly!<BR/><BR/>Where you been, buddy?<BR/>Shoot, the SF must be up to something if you're back around.<BR/><BR/>Aloha, BradMauibradhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16759237357642699345noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-61693374048044456462008-05-05T20:24:00.000-10:002008-05-05T20:24:00.000-10:00I concur. I don't believe HSF was illegal in any ...I concur. I don't believe HSF was illegal in any way, although they were "creative" and "aggressively bent" the law and strongly implied (short of coercion, of course) to the lege that they would take their biz elsewhere, causing (not forcing) the lege to take corrective action of their own accord.<BR/><BR/>Frankly, I like doing business that way.<BR/><BR/>That being said, if they fail due to a bad biz model, bad ship design based on our waters, inaccurate gauging of public support, defined by ticket sales, etc. then that's the way it goes in biz sometimes. I can live with that.<BR/><BR/>I hope some ferry service (people and cars) eventually succeeds in linkiing all our islands together.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-91199961287048779302008-05-05T18:47:00.000-10:002008-05-05T18:47:00.000-10:00True dat. Poll results (skewed or not) don't pay ...True dat. Poll results (skewed or not) don't pay the bills.Doughttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00278477472958926963noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-1773046521980516472008-05-05T17:36:00.000-10:002008-05-05T17:36:00.000-10:00The polls only matter to the spineless jellyfish i...The polls only matter to the spineless jellyfish in the legislature. The real test is ridership and by that gauge, the Superferry isn't very popular.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-620891042687092172008-05-05T14:33:00.000-10:002008-05-05T14:33:00.000-10:00A fair instrument yes but effective? Polls have s...A fair instrument yes but effective? Polls have some flaws/deficiencies that always leave one suspect. Accuracy and margin of error come to mind. This poll's Achille's heal, in mt opinion, was the limited number of participantz. Like the HSF, it was rushed. One word-FLAWEDAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-18149053181216129582008-05-05T12:33:00.000-10:002008-05-05T12:33:00.000-10:00...because the poll clearly is not a push poll. Ot......because the poll clearly is not a push poll. Others made similar accusations against it at the time but nobody could ever point to anything specific about the questions or how they were asked that supported any allegations that the poll was somehow unfair. Larry Geller felt that the way the paper reported the results was biased, but no one ever even tried to show that the poll itself was anything less than a fair instrument.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-46926673919968095782008-05-05T11:58:00.000-10:002008-05-05T11:58:00.000-10:00The Star Bulletin poll wasn't generic at all. It w...The Star Bulletin poll wasn't generic at all. It was specific in referring to the Superferry and not just some ferry. Do you see something biased in the questions or how they were asked?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-36507374001536576312008-05-05T11:50:00.000-10:002008-05-05T11:50:00.000-10:00The one thing you can be sure of is that the counc...The one thing you can be sure of is that the council will not do anything, especially in an election year- that would create a circus. I’d love to see them put a reso on the agenda- do you think we can set a new record for people packing the council chambers getting pissed at them on both sides? Councilpeople may not be governance Einsteins but they know political suicide when they see it.<BR/><BR/>The whole thing about SF “support” or “opposition” is about the push poll nature of the question being asked. And don’t forget that those close numbers from October was before the incredible state misconduct was exposed, which disgusted even those who would have liked to have seen a ferry... I suppose the results of a new poll would be much different if you asked “Do you support the concept of a ferry coming to Kaua`i” and “ Do you want to see THIS ferry on Kaua`i”. You might ask “Are you opposed to the ferry” and get one answer or ask “Do you see the ferry as so problematic that you hope they don’t come” and get a much different one.<BR/><BR/>It reminds me of the airport runway extension issue in the 90’s where everyone said it was “for the farmers” and when I asked the farmers they said it didn’t matter to them. I went to lots of farmers for a TV report on the runway issue and could not find one that supported it or said it would be meaningful for their business- turns out it was the tourism people who were using the farmers as an excuse for bringing in the bigger jets... ask Andy about that one- I highlighted a letter of his on the subject in the program.<BR/><BR/>--------------<BR/><BR/>I wonder how many whorehouses there were in the Kapa`a area even after the war- the one on Olohena is a new one on me but it makes at least three- one in town and one at Valley House.Andy Parxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15398587036690312685noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-67447918584311341632008-05-05T10:30:00.000-10:002008-05-05T10:30:00.000-10:00Katy makes a good point about Oahu numbers potenti...Katy makes a good point about Oahu numbers potentially swamping Kauai opposition. Still, there's no indication that "the people of Kauai" oppose the Superferry.<BR/><BR/>But that idea raises an interesting question. What principal would allow the people of Kauai to prohibit a boat that was operating legally - that is, with the state's sanction - from docking here. Can 'the people' say, "boats are not allowed to come here"? Is it even possible that popular opinion on Kauai could somehow prevent people from coming to the island?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-29689327337226675662008-05-05T09:48:00.000-10:002008-05-05T09:48:00.000-10:00I base my guess on last October's poll and with th...I base my guess on last October's poll and with the recognition that various intervening developments could arguably move opinion somewhat in both directions. That is, some developments might move opinion in the direction of more opposition while others might move it in the direction of more support. I figure they cancel each other out. But that might not be a fair assumption. Like I said, it's a guess. <BR/><BR/>Most start up businesses lose money in the early stages. Investers aren't going to let the superferry bleed cash indefinitely.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-61146625199342005412008-05-05T09:32:00.000-10:002008-05-05T09:32:00.000-10:00Also, is it not true that the business will rely l...Also, is it not true that the business will rely largely on Oahu-based passengers? Even if only a fraction of Kaua'i residents use it, the numbers from Oahu could tip things.<BR/><BR/>Someone pointed out some months ago that the population differential between Oahu and Kaua'i is similar to that between Los Angeles and Oahu, so imagine what would happen if a toll bridge were built between LA and Honolulu. Relying on a consumer boycott by Oahu residents wouldn't make much of a dent.<BR/>-KatyAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-3236110517829593372008-05-05T09:26:00.000-10:002008-05-05T09:26:00.000-10:00Upon what, Charley, are you basing that "reasonabl...Upon what, Charley, are you basing that "reasonable guess?"<BR/><BR/>And we've already seen that it's darn near bordering on a "business disaster" on Maui, with meager ridership that doesn't even cover operating expenses, yet that problem has not yet righted itself. In fact, they're adding a second run and pouring in more money.Joan Conrowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00172330100788007499noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-15472898594486329512008-05-05T09:18:00.000-10:002008-05-05T09:18:00.000-10:00A reasonable guess about what the people of Kauai ...A reasonable guess about what the people of Kauai want is that a majority don't mind of the Superferry comes, a sizeable minority would rather it didn't come, and a small minority are rabidly opposed to it coming. <BR/><BR/>If that's accurate then there's really no appeal for opponents to "what the people want." And anyway, if the people of Kauai really don't want it, then bringing it here will turn out to be a business disaster anyway and the problem will right itself.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com