tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post7233671482227418797..comments2023-10-17T04:51:08.765-10:00Comments on KauaiEclectic: Musings: Fact, Fancy and Flat-Out FudgingJoan Conrowhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00172330100788007499noreply@blogger.comBlogger40125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-6561100116523846292016-03-08T19:51:30.200-10:002016-03-08T19:51:30.200-10:00Do you eat the bt corn? Would you buy the bt corn?...Do you eat the bt corn? Would you buy the bt corn? Is the bt corn for sale? Why try to scare everyone. Just enjoy KauaiAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-41973444893366551662016-03-08T16:57:43.412-10:002016-03-08T16:57:43.412-10:00To 2:11 PM:
Didn't you know that only pesticid...To 2:11 PM:<br />Didn't you know that only pesticides used by ag are suspect.<br /><br />Stop using logic; it doesn't work with that crowd.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-54544453964450627692016-03-08T14:11:04.933-10:002016-03-08T14:11:04.933-10:001:10 PM, if there is a valid scientific basis for ...1:10 PM, if there is a valid scientific basis for the concern, it should be listened to. But please tell me, how can we discern the source of the concern if all of the pesticide users on the island are not being scrutinized? I would like a direct response to this question in the form of a post to this blog.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-23692555980024533702016-03-08T13:10:31.726-10:002016-03-08T13:10:31.726-10:00Sounds like the industry is getting nervous. Mayb...Sounds like the industry is getting nervous. Maybe just maybe this report is going to say there is some valid basis for concern and further studies, and you guys are freaking out over that possibility? Sheesh you all are worse than even I thought. You can't even admit that there might be some tiny basis for the community concerns and that further testing and studies might be appropriate to do?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-75283761071297556872016-03-08T10:38:34.654-10:002016-03-08T10:38:34.654-10:00"stories, concerns and feelings" are jus..."stories, concerns and feelings" are just that and not anything on which legislation should be based. That is unless you want to revive the Salem witch trials. Manuahihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10935756151568533081noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-57033320946269949322016-03-08T09:37:13.223-10:002016-03-08T09:37:13.223-10:00Okay, i got it---it must be factual or everything ...Okay, i got it---it must be factual or everything else is bogus. So the whinners and naggers should shut up and go somewhere else! Oh wow, no chance of discussion, hearing others' stories, concerns and feelings?! And yes, there is so much PROJECTION going on by many who post on this blog.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-25849420383238924152016-03-08T06:01:44.377-10:002016-03-08T06:01:44.377-10:007:43 If Only we could help you out of here.... You...7:43 If Only we could help you out of here.... You are a tiresome nagging wheeze. Go and take 4:54 with you; you sound like perennial candidates in a foreign country for a PhD in a sociology completely divorced from the blog topic. Go read the CFR's on RUP labeling before you return. And it may have escaped your notice that this activist orchestrated focus on demonizing the seed companies may very well deprive us of a chance to address the real and far, far more likely causes of multiple health problems on the island. This may very well be the legacy of HAPA-Hooser, CFS-Hooser, Chun-Chock, Bynum, Furfaro, Yukimura and the JFFG if they marched off task. And this intransigent three years of manipulation, while acceptable to you, should be remembered and put to an end in November by the rest of us. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-69408797250961639272016-03-07T21:57:33.029-10:002016-03-07T21:57:33.029-10:007:43 pm. - no, you're wrong. Do some more rese...7:43 pm. - no, you're wrong. Do some more research and get back to us when you've figured it out. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-59484475824474077052016-03-07T19:43:51.415-10:002016-03-07T19:43:51.415-10:00Oh I get it. The Pesticide Experimental Use Permi...Oh I get it. The Pesticide Experimental Use Permit is just a formality. They are not really experimenting with pesticides but only experimenting with breeding a plant that has pesticides in it? Do I have it right yet? Help me out here.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-20756874521647873482016-03-07T19:36:26.682-10:002016-03-07T19:36:26.682-10:006:21, it's what the USDA requires for any new ...6:21, it's what the USDA requires for any new event. Do you understand anything about the process of developing GE technology and taking it through the robust and extensive regulatory process? Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-70194396025384336652016-03-07T18:59:28.261-10:002016-03-07T18:59:28.261-10:00Joan says, "....they actually want people to ...Joan says, "....they actually want people to be harmed." That is the most absurd statement I have ever heard. Talk about paranoia and projection.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-37941485832927265332016-03-07T18:52:16.774-10:002016-03-07T18:52:16.774-10:00They have to get a permit for crops that are not y...They have to get a permit for crops that are not yet deregulated and they are doing field trials on hardiness, yield, time to maturity, resistance to pests, etc. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-38917956464898051772016-03-07T18:21:10.727-10:002016-03-07T18:21:10.727-10:00So if it's harmless why do they need a "p...So if it's harmless why do they need a "pesticide experimental use permit? Just for shits and giggles? Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-44520611527498398262016-03-07T18:13:59.816-10:002016-03-07T18:13:59.816-10:00The JFF report should be short and to the point. ...The JFF report should be short and to the point. <br /><br />It should stick to the scope of the project: Is there evidence of harm to people or the environment from agricultural (seed company) use of pesticides?<br /><br />Any speculation or uneducated/unscientific/unsupported opinions should NOT be included in this FACT FINDING report.<br /><br />Organizer Peter Adler had better be prepared to justify non-facts, buried truths, incomplete and misleading statements, and unwarranted conclusions and recommendations. <br /><br />I can't wait to see the report and how my tax dollars were spent.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-2503421855651633852016-03-07T17:44:10.197-10:002016-03-07T17:44:10.197-10:004:54 PM, please get yourself a (valid) scientific ...4:54 PM, please get yourself a (valid) scientific education. The plants don't have "pesticides imbedded within their plant cells" nor are there "pesticides into the gene of a plant". They have genes isolated from soil bacteria introduced into their genome, to allow the plants to produce a specific protein that targets specific plant pests. You've already been exposed to this "pesticide" the first time you touched dirt as a child. It's the same protein that is allowed in organic agriculture, only it doesn't harm beneficial non-target insect species like the organic method does. But I guess your way of saying it sounds better for advancing a cause; your version of "truthiness", I suppose. BTW, the companies are only following the USDA and EPA regulations by getting the permits.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-15408720454068595832016-03-07T16:54:38.633-10:002016-03-07T16:54:38.633-10:00Joan you seem to think it is no big deal that &quo...Joan you seem to think it is no big deal that "five were for “plant incorporated protectants,” such as Bt corn"? The companies need to get an pesticide experimental use permit in order to legally grown these plants that have pesticides imbedded within their plant cells and that is not something we should be concerned about? Putting pesticides into the gene of a plant we eat requires a "pesticide experimental use permit" for a reason and I suspect that is because it is experimenting with pesticides and plants. Also, I should point out the permit is only needed for "non permitted" applications and so it is not so simple as implying it is only Bt corn that we are already using. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-78857930529922684572016-03-07T16:43:49.209-10:002016-03-07T16:43:49.209-10:00It so entertaining to read the whiny anti's po...It so entertaining to read the whiny anti's posts. Since they can't argue facts because they have none to support their claims, they always resort to saying you're being bought off by the seed companies. And what these less than master debaters (lol) don't get, is that their claims of corruption do absolutely nothing to undermine the facts and logic you deliver to us here. Thanks again Joan for exposing these scurrying cockroaches. (Smash!)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-35444386341393245762016-03-07T16:29:39.932-10:002016-03-07T16:29:39.932-10:00Only little losers like you 3:40 PM use language l...Only little losers like you 3:40 PM use language like that. Such an immature little brat. Please leave Kauai for your mainland gutter home and let the adults work here.Manuahihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10935756151568533081noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-12574872718357685442016-03-07T16:24:11.097-10:002016-03-07T16:24:11.097-10:003:40 -- Actually, no, I don't get paid to writ...3:40 -- Actually, no, I don't get paid to write any industry support material, nor do I write any industry support material. But I'm not surprised you got it all wrong because --- again, I'll borrow your words --- "you're so full of shit."Joan Conrowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00172330100788007499noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-61564209574868281982016-03-07T16:03:39.714-10:002016-03-07T16:03:39.714-10:00The two bills that would have potentially given th...The two bills that would have potentially given the counties much needed and well justified visitor monies in the form of Transient Accommodations Tax were killed by their respective Finance Committees. SB2028 and HB1554 are both dead. While I do not want to pay increased GE taxes, I really don't want further property tax increases. At least the visitors contribute to GE taxes, so I think it would be fairer to get them to pay for some of the road work needed through this GE tax. Seems like the State is happy to continue stealing funds from the counties by not uncapping the "shared" TAT. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-39915954673952741922016-03-07T15:40:18.806-10:002016-03-07T15:40:18.806-10:00But Joan you get paid to write other industry supp... But Joan you get paid to write other industry support material. So you clearly have a bias And your bias is driven by your paid customers. And of course I know you'll never print this because you're so full of shit.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-43429507914568123472016-03-07T15:28:30.684-10:002016-03-07T15:28:30.684-10:00The Termite Guys are heroes. Termites destroy more...The Termite Guys are heroes. Termites destroy more homes than hurricanes and floods put together.<br />If we sprayed pesticides for mosquitoes in more places, there would be no malaria...let alone the Big Island Dengue. This could hit Kauai and if it does, I hope we spray plenty.<br />You can't have it both ways. Chemicals are here to stay.<br />Better living thru chemistry.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-48268034239399557122016-03-07T15:19:43.031-10:002016-03-07T15:19:43.031-10:00Can Kauaielectic find out if Joann Yukimura is hol...Can Kauaielectic find out if Joann Yukimura is holding secret meetings to increase the gas tax, vehicle weight tac and increase the GE tax like the Beer Gate that illegally occurred to grandfather TVR's and build on AG land?<br /><br />Is that not illegal under county and state laws for her as a councilwoman to hold secret meetings?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-31089461043698400512016-03-07T14:37:11.000-10:002016-03-07T14:37:11.000-10:00Also, don't forget those super friendly golf c...Also, don't forget those super friendly golf courses that also contribute to pesticide and fertilizer use that drains way to the oceans and streams. Not an enemy to the anti GMO group because they're friendly to our tourist industry too?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-16854956804847098662016-03-07T14:22:32.943-10:002016-03-07T14:22:32.943-10:00Wait til the dairy study comes out. Then the sh-t...Wait til the dairy study comes out. Then the sh-t will really hit the fan.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com