tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post7449870164013956038..comments2023-10-17T04:51:08.765-10:00Comments on KauaiEclectic: Musings: Can of WormsJoan Conrowhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00172330100788007499noreply@blogger.comBlogger15125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-66587778848568721512009-07-09T16:12:49.947-10:002009-07-09T16:12:49.947-10:00"We need more worms."
Not that kine."We need more worms."<br /><br />Not that kine.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-57117484257324219662009-07-09T13:12:27.479-10:002009-07-09T13:12:27.479-10:00"can of worms" is more like Pandora'..."can of worms" is more like Pandora's Box...once it's open as it is now, there's no closing it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-6275209642496537272009-07-09T12:15:03.121-10:002009-07-09T12:15:03.121-10:00In Hawaii we have landlord/tenet laws. Getting som...In Hawaii we have landlord/tenet laws. Getting someone evicted can be a real hassle. I wonder if the supporters of this bill have considered this. What do you do if a worker refuses to work?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-86380822137032742172009-07-09T12:01:38.615-10:002009-07-09T12:01:38.615-10:00We need more worms. Go ahead open the can.We need more worms. Go ahead open the can.Mauibradhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16759237357642699345noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-16998799759140985912009-07-09T11:10:05.272-10:002009-07-09T11:10:05.272-10:00Well, "sacred bones" harboring "spi...Well, "sacred bones" harboring "spirits of ancestors" is SO NOT 21st century.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-28716407526609535412009-07-09T10:10:06.254-10:002009-07-09T10:10:06.254-10:00I think you strike some kind of chord when you dis...<em>I think you strike some kind of chord when you discuss the iwi issues....agree?</em><br /><br />Yes, that does seem to be a particularly hot topic.Joan Conrowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00172330100788007499noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-73403106581107625722009-07-09T06:41:47.578-10:002009-07-09T06:41:47.578-10:00Your analysis is correct. The current CZO has pro...Your analysis is correct. The current CZO has provisions that already allow farm worker housing.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-77007379048137983972009-07-08T22:17:26.320-10:002009-07-08T22:17:26.320-10:0028 comment in 24 hours....
6 comments in 11 hours....28 comment in 24 hours....<br />6 comments in 11 hours.....<br />time will tell.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-52219176340771278742009-07-08T20:56:26.173-10:002009-07-08T20:56:26.173-10:006 comments today on an interesting post, 28 on bur...6 comments today on an interesting post, 28 on burials...see the pattern over the past few months? More folks participate when you mention the word "burial" and "development" versus anything else...GMO's, ag, etc. I think you strike some kind of chord when you discuss the iwi issues....agree?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-76482729714736891932009-07-08T20:14:26.621-10:002009-07-08T20:14:26.621-10:00mahalo joan for another excellent post. there is a...mahalo joan for another excellent post. there is a lot of fear mongering and wishful thinking with this bill. of course the council will slowly on this; they can only move as quick as their slowest members. <br />it was good to see so many folks at the council chambers today and the majority spoke in favor of the bill. from kamaaina farmers like roy, rodney and jerry to newcomers moonbeam, sunshine and earthsong the people need to push government to create legislation that works and benefits community not commodity. as usual the main issue w/the proposed bill is going to be enforcement related issues.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-13847732950603244962009-07-08T14:21:11.780-10:002009-07-08T14:21:11.780-10:00is it that far fetched?
Not far fetched. Just a ...is it that far fetched? <br /><br />Not far fetched. Just a silly aspiration. And even if you think it's not silly (though it is), it ain't a lack of fertile land that is preventing it. Look at all the fallow land. It's rank, dishonest sophistry to blame development in any way whatsoever for the failure of the island to grow all its own food.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-59829642979498297982009-07-08T12:53:06.313-10:002009-07-08T12:53:06.313-10:00"Island agricultural independence is an absur..."Island agricultural independence is an absurd fetish"<br /><br />-- is it that far fetched? seems like if the organics cooperated more and were better marketers / businesspersons they could profitably maintain a pretty good constant output by selling to island hotels / stores. im just guessing of course<br /><br />tho i see where its easier for them to blame monsanto corp culture, some gentleman farm / estate on the other side of the island, etc<br /><br />dwpsAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-41555153325598753442009-07-08T10:57:16.178-10:002009-07-08T10:57:16.178-10:00Island agricultural independence is an absurd feti...Island agricultural independence is an absurd fetish. And even if it made sense to grow all our own food on island (and it does not make sense, and it never will) the reason we don't has nothing to do with how much land is available for ag.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-20658048912904454042009-07-08T10:12:46.475-10:002009-07-08T10:12:46.475-10:00Joan said,
"The problem, however, is that t...Joan said, <br /><br />"The problem, however, is that the bill before the Council is more likely to usher in a can of worms than an agricultural renaissance.<br /><br />"... licking their chops as they look at all the exploitable loopholes that threaten to further undermine the integrity of our ag lands as places that actually produce food."<br /><br />Isn't the real problem the county council passing legislation with loopholes in it? This is easy to prevent by simply reading the proposed legislation and envisioning the worst case scenario possible", because that is exactly what will happen. Then you correct the legislation and envision again. Repeat as necessary. <br /><br />An unspoken assumption is that the loopholes are unintentional. That may or may not be true. If it is not true then we need more capable council members.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-59304623129720750792009-07-08T10:06:36.459-10:002009-07-08T10:06:36.459-10:00Thanks Joan for a spot on analysis of this horribl...Thanks Joan for a spot on analysis of this horrible bill that will, in the end, be a bigger loophole then the “ag condo” provisions in turning ag land into de facto “gentlemen’s farms”. Unfortunately there is a campaign to pull the wool over the eyes of the politically naive who want to support sustainable organic farms asking them to inundate the council with support for this bill. But, as you point out there are legal means available right now to accomplish the goal of worker housing. If people had bothered to view the planning commission hearing it would be apparent that this bill is the wrong approach.Andy Parxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15398587036690312685noreply@blogger.com