tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post7716120952849994318..comments2023-10-17T04:51:08.765-10:00Comments on KauaiEclectic: Musings: No Mea CulpaJoan Conrowhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00172330100788007499noreply@blogger.comBlogger21125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-67307992569789666502008-05-01T07:20:00.000-10:002008-05-01T07:20:00.000-10:00Actually, you can invite the public onto your priv...Actually, you can invite the public onto your private property and then ask them to leave (all or selected ones), thus totally or partially restricting access for whatever time you choose.<BR/><BR/>As long as they are asked to leave and leave,there is no problem. If they are asked to leave and do not, they are trespassing.<BR/><BR/>"Trespassers will be prosecuted and/or shot"<BR/><BR/>I'm good with that.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-71372238650969795422008-04-29T13:40:00.000-10:002008-04-29T13:40:00.000-10:00Oh, was KKCR having an open meeting on their prope...Oh, was KKCR having an open meeting on their property where everyone was invited? No? Right then. Big difference.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-7086291543413610842008-04-29T10:14:00.000-10:002008-04-29T10:14:00.000-10:00It is well established law that you cannot invite ...It is well established law that you cannot invite the public, unrestricted, onto your “private property” and then arrest them for the act of being there. But Kaua`i cops have been doing this since plantation days and don’t seem to be- or don’t want to be- aware of the law. I once had to challenge that policy, very politely, and “won” when Ho`ike held a public meeting on their property and then called the police to arrest me for being there. But I managed to talk to now-retired Det. Wes Kaui and explain the law and after an hour of that I was not arrested. But then I had agreed not to video tape our conversation<BR/><BR/>The real reason Hale was assaulted was that he was video taping them talking to him which they hate. He was lucky it was pre-taser. I asked him to pursue the case, get a ruling of illegal arrest and sue the County. But Hale preferred to plead “Sovereign”. I think that’s a very courageous decision because Hale understands the implications. <BR/><BR/>And you can bet your bottom dollar that the tape that was in the camera with a record of everything- still being held by KPD- won’t ever be able to be viewed.<BR/><BR/>The “Confederacy of Dunces” at KKCR is still out of control- a “Toole” of the white business North shore community.Andy Parxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15398587036690312685noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-87421106712331734752008-04-29T09:47:00.000-10:002008-04-29T09:47:00.000-10:00This Hale idiot intentionally gets himself arreste...This Hale idiot intentionally gets himself arrested, adding to his "impressive" list of arrests "for the cause".<BR/><BR/>I don't see Katy or Joan getting themselves arrested to make that "noble" point. <BR/><BR/>That kitchen too hot for you? Not committed enough?<BR/><BR/>Come on...rise to the Hale standard if you admire him so much!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-85802754981340538152008-04-29T09:21:00.000-10:002008-04-29T09:21:00.000-10:00It's ok to work out your problems if you can. It's...It's ok to work out your problems if you can. It's also ok to call the cops if you're uncomfortable or unsure of the other's intentions.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-21473842837022716942008-04-29T09:11:00.000-10:002008-04-29T09:11:00.000-10:00What on earth is so strange about the idea that pe...What on earth is so strange about the idea that people can work out their differences without the intervention of armed authority figures? Is it strange to think that our default setting should be one of trusting in our own capabilities to handle strife and dissent on a face-to-face level? This idea that dissenting people should be monitored by the cops to make sure they don't get out of control is very disturbing to me.<BR/>-KatyAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-79322373089586753202008-04-29T09:03:00.000-10:002008-04-29T09:03:00.000-10:00It's a strange mindset that thinks it's ever NOT o...It's a strange mindset that thinks it's ever NOT ok to call the cops.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-81620731123203622272008-04-29T08:56:00.000-10:002008-04-29T08:56:00.000-10:00"This plant embodies the spirit of aloha and the s..."This plant embodies the spirit of aloha and the spirit of Hawaiians. This plant will tolerate the worst and give back plenty, just like the kanaka, just like Hale. Aloha Aina"<BR/><BR/>You get 'em! Thanks for sharing that. <BR/><BR/>Yes, Hale will triumph even over the reactionary types like anonymous 7:47 a.m. who think it's OK to call the cops even if there's absolutely no problem — other than the one manufactured by their own fearful minds.Joan Conrowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00172330100788007499noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-7029890429945537462008-04-29T07:47:00.000-10:002008-04-29T07:47:00.000-10:00I don't think the difference matters either. In ei...I don't think the difference matters either. In either case the station was concerned about disruptions and reasonably and prudently called the police just in case. No harm in that. The fact that one individual managed to get himself arrested justifies the station's concerns and actions.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-31573337637773182342008-04-29T07:33:00.000-10:002008-04-29T07:33:00.000-10:00I'm not sure I understand what difference it makes...I'm not sure I understand what difference it makes whether it was a "demonstration" or not. Our purpose was to go to the radio station at our regularly scheduled time and attempt to discover why we were "pre-empted" without explanation and request that we be allowed to broadcast the program we had prepared. A few supporters agreed to accompany us as witnesses, and because there had been so much rumor-mongering in the weeks leading up to this, there was a consensus that events should be video-taped.<BR/>As such, we were exercising our rights to free speech and assembly, whether one would consider it a "demonstration" or just a group of people approaching the radio station to ask questions. If anythinything, we were "demonstrating" our concern for community radio.<BR/>-KatyAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-21992607803708318722008-04-29T06:37:00.000-10:002008-04-29T06:37:00.000-10:00First, if people are "exercising their first amend...First, if people are "exercising their first amendment rights" on a "public right of way" then there is a demonstration. Local activist Ed Coll was there with a video camera. Why? To film a demonstration. Duh.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-13001351710502708572008-04-28T22:54:00.000-10:002008-04-28T22:54:00.000-10:00Isn't it wonderful that taro just can't be contain...Isn't it wonderful that taro just can't be contained. It has a need to expand from it's base and explode into whatever part of the garden that welcomes it. It will not respond like other plants when pulled from its bed. It does not wither and shrink when separated from it's brethren and even the tiniest bulb will take off and yield its fullest when reattached to its earth mother.<BR/>It is no wonder that the kanaka maoli revere this beautiful plant that provides such abundance and sustenance. A plant that survives the harshest of treatment yet continues to give. You can tear it from the ground, you can lop off any amount, any part, allow it to dry or try to drown it but it will almost always come back and provide more than what was originally planted. This plant embodies the spirit of aloha and the spirit of Hawaiians. This plant will tolerate the worst and give back plenty, just like the kanaka, just like Hale. Aloha AinaAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-55761745197171261492008-04-28T20:00:00.000-10:002008-04-28T20:00:00.000-10:00My rule is: learn the rules and profit from them....My rule is: learn the rules and profit from them.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-5315323024532736142008-04-28T17:45:00.000-10:002008-04-28T17:45:00.000-10:00My rule is: always question authority.My rule is: always question authority.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-86818637762849342272008-04-28T16:57:00.000-10:002008-04-28T16:57:00.000-10:00It's either private property or it isn't...there i...It's either private property or it isn't...there is no wiggle room. If is isn't, he could sue for false arrest. If it is, he doesn't have a leg to stand on.<BR/><BR/>My rule is never, ever (esp in LA) mess with the cops. Do exactly what they say at all times as meekly as possible. Never question them.<BR/><BR/>He could have been tasered.<BR/><BR/>If so, it would have served him right. Prosecutions or not, an arrest record is an arrest record...not a good thing to have.<BR/><BR/>If you want to protest get an ACLU lawyer...don't get yourself arrested or anywhere near that line of fire.<BR/><BR/>Just dumb.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-51429172690255806582008-04-28T16:40:00.000-10:002008-04-28T16:40:00.000-10:00And the police arrived at the scene a good twenty ...And the police arrived at the scene a good twenty minutes at least before they confronted Hale. <BR/><BR/>One of the programmers at the station that afternoon, Bill Rash, arrived while we were standing around talking and according to reports I heard weeks later, he went into the station claiming that there was an angry mob harrassing him at the gate. None of us had even spoken to him or done any more than look his direction.<BR/><BR/>Donna Lewis apparently took his word for it, so he is partly responsible for this mess himself. Isn't there a law about making a false police report? <BR/><BR/>Also, to reinforce what Joan says above: Hale is a brilliant and talented young man who cares deeply about defending his community. I don't know where this picture of him as a derelict is coming from, but it's just trifling! <BR/><BR/>-KatyAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-71483655114869549002008-04-28T14:22:00.000-10:002008-04-28T14:22:00.000-10:00First, there was no demonstration; second, Hale is...First, there was no demonstration; second, Hale is hardly a "well-known hothead;" and third, he didn't want to mix it up with the cops. He was merely trying to clarify why he was being asked to leave from what most people believe is a public road. <BR/><BR/>Yes, he's been arrested before, but he was never prosecuted for any of those charges. So please stop trying to make it out like he's a trouble-maker with a criminal record. He's not.Joan Conrowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00172330100788007499noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-201493056019678752008-04-28T14:13:00.000-10:002008-04-28T14:13:00.000-10:00The fact that a well known hot head was there at t...The fact that a well known hot head was there at the demonstration and he was willing to mix it up with the cops when they told him to move to a public place seems to justify the station in calling the cops in the first place. It doesn't sound like they overreacted to me. It sounds like the prudent thing to do.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-74054193476254823632008-04-28T13:58:00.000-10:002008-04-28T13:58:00.000-10:00Well, if it's a "public right of way" then he woul...Well, if it's a "public right of way" then he wouldn't be "trespassing" at all and the police would have no right to arrest him. but something tells me that's not the case.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-22851947918613817492008-04-28T13:53:00.000-10:002008-04-28T13:53:00.000-10:00Well, if it's okay with you that a person gets arr...Well, if it's okay with you that a person gets arrested for "trespassing" on a public right of way used daily by the public, and the only difference between his actions and those of the people driving and jogging along that road is that he was exercising his first amendment right to freedom of assembly and expression, then it appears you have pretty low expectations for our society.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-85529630021463023042008-04-28T12:25:00.000-10:002008-04-28T12:25:00.000-10:00Hale didn't get burned. The cops told everyone the...Hale didn't get burned. The cops told everyone they would have to move to a public location. Everybody did. Hale returned, the cops told him to move on or face arrest, he didn't, they arrested him. It's nobody's fault but his own. He gets arrested from time to time. Whose fault is it? C'mon.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com