tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post7745747932465645887..comments2023-10-17T04:51:08.765-10:00Comments on KauaiEclectic: Musings: Off-CourseJoan Conrowhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00172330100788007499noreply@blogger.comBlogger74125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-17192299862556264992016-03-08T16:54:11.012-10:002016-03-08T16:54:11.012-10:00To 12:52:
Who cares?
Maybe so Joan could expose i...To 12:52:<br /><br />Who cares?<br />Maybe so Joan could expose it for what it's probably going to be; a report that wouldn't pass muster with any credible expert in pesticide issues, drafted by a bunch of anti-conventional/anti-biotech activists directed by a facilitator who is more interested in sensationalizing than doing what he was supposed to do ---- find the FACTS.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-44830143539334860452016-03-08T12:52:27.310-10:002016-03-08T12:52:27.310-10:00Blogger Joan Conrow said...
I assume they gave it ...Blogger Joan Conrow said...<br />I assume they gave it because they thought I should have it. And it wasn't from any current or former member of the JFFG.<br /><br />March 6, 2016 at 9:40 AM<br /><br />Please elucidate, who are "they"? Inquiring minds want to know.....Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-32683165314773159512016-03-08T09:47:43.218-10:002016-03-08T09:47:43.218-10:00Echoing the last few posts.....And I am very famil...Echoing the last few posts.....And I am very familiar with the practices of "organic" farmers here on Maui. What an irony...these folks are constantly complaining about real farmers' alleged illegal/immoral practices....what about the totally illegal, unsafe, and unsanitary shacks that house these "sustainable" farmers' volunteer workers (WOOFERS)? <br /><br />I call B.S.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-43555492383770973112016-03-08T09:36:10.743-10:002016-03-08T09:36:10.743-10:00Sustainability??? We rely on tourism, real estate ...Sustainability??? We rely on tourism, real estate sales and construction. I'll bet that 99% of the "sustainability" advocates came here on a carbon spewing jet and are engaged in some business that relies on tourism. Gimme a break.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-54308657536202322822016-03-07T17:30:54.445-10:002016-03-07T17:30:54.445-10:005:15 PM, it is your choice to grow and eat food as...5:15 PM, it is your choice to grow and eat food as you wish, but spare us the B.S. judgemental rhetoric. Most organic food is grown by being fertilized with animal feces, which is usually the result of them having been fed GE. Organic uses plenty of poisons as well, which often are worse towards mammals and non-target insect species (like beneficials and pollinators). As one local farmer has pointed out, to be sustainable a farm has to produce a profit, yet how many of the organic farms are subsidized through free or underpaid labor, depend on "agrotourism", or some other separate revenue stream from what the farm actually produces? And the local organic growers don't depend on inputs that are flown or shipped in from the mainland???? By the way I know many KCC students (as well as students from other universities) who would tell you the same things. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-61812584522998495502016-03-07T17:24:01.206-10:002016-03-07T17:24:01.206-10:00No one is stopping you from pursuing your vision o...No one is stopping you from pursuing your vision of sustainability, eating a healthy diet or working toward self-sufficiency. There's plenty of land for all. I'm all for people growing food to eat locally. I don't see it as any conflict with what's happening with the seed companies. And whether you agree with how the seeds are used and consumed is irrelevant. It's still food that is valued and purchased by the majority of consumers. <br /><br />PS: If you're so worried about "planes and ships and oil to send that junk food back to Kauaʻi," seems you'd be preaching against the totally non-sustainable practice of tourism.Joan Conrowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00172330100788007499noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-10547099039419489332016-03-07T17:22:39.556-10:002016-03-07T17:22:39.556-10:009:35 AM, if someone who supposedly is growing food...9:35 AM, if someone who supposedly is growing food posts B.S. unsubstantiated allegations against the seed companies, then yes, they are anti-ag. Bet they never went and took a tour of the seed companies, but made up their mind by perusing anti-biotech activist websites. Oh by the way, the management and employees of the seed companies have historically made very large annual donations to the local food banks as well, also seed company employees have grown fresh produce (I believe that qualifies as FOOD) for the food banks, using land and water provided by......the seed companies!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-79661308798271027542016-03-07T17:15:24.902-10:002016-03-07T17:15:24.902-10:009:57- Seeds to ship off to America? Mass mono-crop...9:57- Seeds to ship off to America? Mass mono-crop those seeds with heavy doses of fertilizers and poisons. Feed the corn to cows, whose stomachs are not created for digesting corn. Use the rest of the corn to produce high fructose corn syrup which is found in all the junk food that is not healthy for anyone. Then use planes and ships and oil to send that junk food back to Kauaʻi (or spread it all over the world.) Go to KCC and try to tell students that such practices are sustainable and good for health and the environment. Local food grown by local farmers for local consumption using as little poisons and chemical fertilizers as possible, now that is what KCC students will tell you comes closest to true sustainability. Those of us who study sustainability know what it means; not so sure about you . You may be right in calling out 9:57 for exaggerating, but I think their wording was not intended to be taken literally. So many of us are finished with processed junk food and incredibly wasteful practices of such companies. We are looking for truly sustainable and healthy options that that help us to become more self-sufficient and rely on ourselves rather than upon foreign mega-corporations and their highly questionable practices.. Joan, come on over to KCC and have a chat. Share your manaʻo concerning sustainability and find out more what we think and are learning. Thank you. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-53501638175255388222016-03-07T09:57:37.618-10:002016-03-07T09:57:37.618-10:009:35 -- What's really ignorant is claiming the...9:35 -- What's really ignorant is claiming the seed companies "grow absolutely nothing for us to eat." They are producing the seed that will grow the crops that you and others eat around the world. Cultivated food has to start somewhere, and that's where seeds come in. With those sorts of ludicrous statements, you're actually fostering the same divisiveness and fear you accuse others of.<br />Joan Conrowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00172330100788007499noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-7783075540951201272016-03-07T09:35:12.547-10:002016-03-07T09:35:12.547-10:00It never fails to amaze me. Seed/chemical companie...It never fails to amaze me. Seed/chemical companies on the westside grow absolutely nothing for us to eat and yet they are are called ag. But my neighbors bust their ass growing real food we can actually eat. Then when one of those real farmers writes a comment here questioning those companiesʻ policies, anonymously and without identifying themselves as farmers, they are accused of being anti-ag. Calling those who actually grow food we eat here in Hawaiʻi anti-ag is the ultimate hypocrisy and shows complete ignorance of what real ag is all about. These whiners are the ones creating division in our community, not those who support farmers growing food for our markets, stores, families and neighbors. Using the term "anti-ag" to divide and promote fear, just like the word "communist" was used in America against patriotic Americans back in the 50ʻs. So much ignorance, such a shame. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-48729955822317710112016-03-07T08:30:36.844-10:002016-03-07T08:30:36.844-10:00Kudos to the Kilauea School special education teac...Kudos to the Kilauea School special education teacher for weed whacking on Sundays. What happened to the Custodians? Probably no weed whacker funded for the school. Lets get a fund raiser going for a weed whacker and supplies. $325 ought to do it. $250 for the weed whacker, $15 for the stringy thing, $15 for the fuel container, $5 for the mix, $15 for the gas. $25 for tax.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-15631283255616032062016-03-07T05:55:18.983-10:002016-03-07T05:55:18.983-10:00That's good, 3:33- Maui, the Most Hawhiner Isl...That's good, 3:33- Maui, the Most Hawhiner Island. Kauai, Monku-lanipo. For transplants see "monkutare". Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-84072604990233494702016-03-07T01:29:26.961-10:002016-03-07T01:29:26.961-10:00To 3:33 PM:
So true, what you wrote.
And the same...To 3:33 PM:<br /><br />So true, what you wrote.<br />And the same goes for Maui, unfortunately....the whiner island.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-61144994058720889502016-03-06T19:25:11.485-10:002016-03-06T19:25:11.485-10:00It can be done 3:33 pm. The special education teac...It can be done 3:33 pm. The special education teacher at Kilauea School volunteers to weed whack on Sundays to stop the spraying of roundup at the school.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-22551043506067579682016-03-06T15:33:40.038-10:002016-03-06T15:33:40.038-10:00Aloha Joan,
Your blog brings out the best and wors...Aloha Joan,<br />Your blog brings out the best and worst in some people. It is also so very interesting that we are set in out ways. Some will accept what you write and others will not. Human Beings are the one animal that can change the environment. Everyone grab a sickle or cane knife and get rid of all the weeds for the farmers. Let us help this people so they do not have to use pesticides. A good sickle costs $25 to $30 and a good cane knife is about the same. Save your harsh words and let's do it. You people think you can handle once a week, we start at Mana or Kilauea. I don't think so. Everyone has something to do on a weekend. Let the Farmers farm. If you do not want to eat his produce, you don't have to. I love my farming friends. They bust their asses working the farm, while we grumble away. Kauai is changing to Kauai, the "GRUMBLE" Island.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-14956573078854764822016-03-06T09:40:45.905-10:002016-03-06T09:40:45.905-10:00I assume they gave it because they thought I shoul...I assume they gave it because they thought I should have it. And it wasn't from any current or former member of the JFFG.Joan Conrowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00172330100788007499noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-47840656212618215212016-03-06T08:32:35.694-10:002016-03-06T08:32:35.694-10:00Who gave you a copy of the draft report and why? ...Who gave you a copy of the draft report and why? The report is not scheduled for release to the public until next week. Has someone on the Joint Fact Finding Group violated the confidentiality agreement? Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-61204348789951525882016-03-06T00:39:34.254-10:002016-03-06T00:39:34.254-10:00Public tax dollars funded the work of the JFF grou...Public tax dollars funded the work of the JFF group. The group was supposed to determine if there are human or environmental health impacts on Kauai that are associated with pesticides from the seed companies.<br /><br />Has Peter Adler kept the group on track and focused on its purpose, or has he allowed members to stray from their mandate to review evidence-based studies and data? Has the group included conjecture, anecdotes, student projects, or discussions of "studies" that were either never completed or have not been peer reviewed or published?<br /><br />Will the group's recommendations be based upon facts and evidence and warranted?<br /><br />If not, we will have spent an awful lot of money and effort to continue the community-destroying past few years of unfounded hysteria and tragic distraction from our true problems on Kauai. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-70780038438283065252016-03-05T13:18:00.423-10:002016-03-05T13:18:00.423-10:00Congratulation Joan. You are right on target and ...Congratulation Joan. You are right on target and obviously hit a nerve with the crazies.... they have organized and gotten all their crazy friends to flood your blog with their ludicrous comments, like it will in someway deter you. And of course, they are so gutless that the vast ilk of them will only do so anonymously. Its a sure sign that your word is getting out there. Thank you for all you do. The State's farmer's and Rancher's... the folks that grow the food.... aren't all that good at spending time getting the word out, so we appreciate that you do.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02734040333199682001noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-72060619871115117202016-03-05T12:32:42.367-10:002016-03-05T12:32:42.367-10:003/5 @ 7:34 AM, I haven't seen the report. I a...3/5 @ 7:34 AM, I haven't seen the report. I am waiting to read it same as you (I assume). If it shows that the JFFG considered properly designed, conducted, peer-reviewed science that is reproducible and was published in reputable journals, then I will be satisfied. Here's the issue that I and many others have: We're quite familiar with the studies that meet these criteria. What we observe is an increasing amount of shoddy "studies" that do NOT meet these criteria, that instead are flawed but apparently designed to satisfy an agenda. I'm talking about the work by Seralini, Seneff, Carman, and so on. <br /><br />I will echo what many others have said before: If I see one good scientific study (i.e. meets the criteria above) that shows legitimate concerns with transgenic technology, or legally applied pesticides, then I will take that scientific evidence into consideration. Also, such a study would likely result in well-deserved Nobel Prize for the author(s).<br /><br />9:39 AM, your sarcasm and twisting his words only shows me how insecure and uneducated you are. Project much? Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-67286738399157913132016-03-05T12:32:29.040-10:002016-03-05T12:32:29.040-10:0010:51, You left out that they've found the mea...10:51, You left out that they've found the meaning of life by being anticorporate and all natural; except they've used 12 corporate products even before their 9:00 am appointment in Kilauea to sip $5 coffee with a $4 natural muffin while wearing trending apres yoga gear in the most natural way.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06936703736341995681noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-85888500766919580322016-03-05T10:51:55.012-10:002016-03-05T10:51:55.012-10:00These people are all crazy. Intellectual light wei...These people are all crazy. Intellectual light weights. Community college polysi majors pretending to be chemists.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-84363880141572444862016-03-05T09:39:14.165-10:002016-03-05T09:39:14.165-10:00Pete the humble man of God. Your greatness is beyo...Pete the humble man of God. Your greatness is beyond that of a regular human. You speak so eloquently when you degrade people and yet your only concern is that people know what you've accomplished.<br /><br />Oh grasshopper in your advanced years you still have not found the meaning of life.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-67963622569042725512016-03-05T07:46:42.125-10:002016-03-05T07:46:42.125-10:00I hope that when they release the results of their...I hope that when they release the results of their hair samples it includes all of the illicit drugs that they've taken.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-27902877111888023432016-03-05T07:34:00.200-10:002016-03-05T07:34:00.200-10:00Sounds like some of you have seen the report and a...Sounds like some of you have seen the report and are not happy with its results which you seem to indicate will favor community health concerns over industry claims. So now you going spin it as biased. Straight out of the industry playbook. Watch Merchants of Doubt - same response as tobacco, climate change, agent orange and on and on. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com