tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post783762040853862274..comments2023-10-17T04:51:08.765-10:00Comments on KauaiEclectic: Musings: Science and SpiritualityJoan Conrowhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00172330100788007499noreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-62463627213434643602009-12-14T16:32:53.993-10:002009-12-14T16:32:53.993-10:00MAD SCIENTISTS AND CRACKED POTS
Joan wrote: "...MAD SCIENTISTS AND CRACKED POTS<br /><br />Joan wrote: "Don’t get me wrong. I think scientific inquiry is a good thing. But I do object when it is held out as some ultimate truth, to the exclusion of all other ways of knowing and being in the world."<br /><br />And to do so is not scientific. Science cannot reveal "ultimate truth" because science can only "disprove" but NEVER provide ultimate truth. It can only offer "the most likely answer" until a more likely answer replaces it.<br /><br />and Joan continued,<br /><br />"Open up, man! There’s a great big beautiful mysterious world out there that science will never be able to understand until it loosens some of its bonds — and maybe not even then."<br /><br />Very true esp. the "not even then" part. But if it is beyond the understanding of science what other way of understanding exists? Not everything is subject 2 scientific observation and there are other ways of "knowing", but they are as you say "mysterious" as in beyond explanation therefore such idiosyncratic "knowledge" is incapable of being articulated to anyone else who has not had that direct experiential knowledge themselves and those who have ha such experience are not in need of such explanation (preaching to the choir). <br /><br />Scientist that over-reach are not acting as scientists. Those that try to explain the unexplainable are likewise over-reaching. <br /><br />Sure the scientific method has limitations, but other ways of knowing, the knowing that comes from meditation for example, cannot be explained to another whose own meditation has not revealed it. That is also a limitation. Many yoga practitioners can gain amazing control over what are commonly regarded as autonomic body responses but cannot explain how beyond advising the enlightened to "meditate on it". Inspiration, insight and revelation have come to as many (perhaps more) people who have no teacher, master, pope or preacher, as those who do.<br /><br />Good to keep an open mind but not so open that your brain falls out.Ed Collhttp://kauai.netnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-56753140268958325532009-12-13T14:45:27.417-10:002009-12-13T14:45:27.417-10:00Joan wrote:
...neither do I expect those who embra...Joan wrote:<br /><i>...neither do I expect those who embrace Rationalism to stop expressing their disdainful contempt for spirituality, intuition and other ideas and experiences that are too big to fit through the tight little window on the world allowed by the scientific process.</i><br /><br />Many Americans, narrow of spiritual scope and shallow of cultural roots, co-opt Rationalism as a cover for cultural smugness, as candy for their egos, and as authority to deride Others.<br /><br />Or, as an Anonymous American wrote:<br /><br /><i>Kook.</i>Dawsonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-48158980400763730772009-12-13T13:52:53.703-10:002009-12-13T13:52:53.703-10:00Kook.Kook.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7875069982976812251.post-62924420330255641902009-12-13T12:23:40.010-10:002009-12-13T12:23:40.010-10:00"That’s why I’m so interested in the work bei..."That’s why I’m so interested in the work being done by scientists like Bruce Lipton, who are really thinking outside the box by bridging science and spirit and showing yes, the twain can meet, and we’ll be better for it."<br /><br /><br />-- that lipton guy got blasted here:<br /><br />http://forum.richarddawkins.net/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=22720<br /><br />tough crowd<br /><br /><br />dwpsAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com